I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
The problem now is that for the fans to be seen to be protesting at the owner, which is at least the third time in 6 years 3 owners on the trot will not encourage anyone else to buy the club.
I don't know about that but I am not sure that protesting gets us anywhere. The club will be sold if someone with big enough pockets wants to buy it and take Duchatelet out at the same time.
Protests wouldn't bring that forward unless people think Sandgaard is the obstacle to a sale.
Doesn’t sound like you believe the talk elsewhere that TS is the obstacle to a sale?
I think his ownership will collapse of its own contradictions anyway.
Put you on the spot here Airman, do you believe there is a very good chance we could end up in administration ?
There isn't anything to administrate, more likely to be sold for £1 than go into administration IMO.
How is that possible? Who would pick up the debt?
The debt is surely Sandgaard's and he would have to write it off.
I’d imagine it will get to the point where it might be like Ellis Short at Sunderland (comparatively speaking) and he sells to someone for a £1 just to take the burden off of him financially. There were positive signs at the start given how he used an established law firm to secure proper ownership from the mess of ESI, and now although we know not owning the ground and sparrows lane means he’ll walk away with a very expensive lesson and nothing to show for it, at the time we could only take him on his word on financial commitment shown and general enthusiasm.
It was very hard to read between the lines back then re: the guitars and the showmanship, and I, like many others probably just wanted to believe and have something to feel good about again after RD and the crooks involved in ESI 1 and 2.
I think he got unlucky with the Bowyer situation, in that Bowyer seemed to have lost the dressing room, probably liked the situation under RD where he just got on with little scrutiny, and was worn down by the farce of ESI. It was all probably too much, too soon for someone who evidently as time has progressed, doesn’t really understand football, doesn’t really understand the club and has had a baptism of fire.
Adkins spell at the end of 19/20 probably gave the impression the house was solid structurally, but we just needed to decorate (sorry for the house analogy), but, and I know I’m at odds with a few views here, the team that finished 7th weren’t actually that good imo.
What happened from the end of that season up until now though is firmly on him and the absolute shambles he’s created. It’s a mess. He’s clueless. No idea about any of it, and he’s made some terrible mistakes. Most of us probably gave him the benefit of the doubt because he does continue to fund us, he’s putting money in and ultimately, who knows what would’ve happened had ESI v2 got hold of the club. But now, without serious changes that I don’t think he’s capable of, it will get worse, a lot worse.
I don’t see any value in protesting personally. He’s not going to suddenly hand BG a million to spend in Jan and we’re stuck with the dregs that we have assembled this season. I think he’ll begin to realise he’s mucked it up and to hang around would be to stay where he’s not welcome. He likes the limelight - he won’t get nights jamming in the oak with the fans if we’re mid table again come Feb, and the walks round the pitch like the one at Wycombe will be very uncomfortable.
I’ve got no idea when his time will end, or how he’ll sell up, but it will be a slow, painful ride until then and expect lots of meltdown in the coming months
The answer is probably as there are always people in the market for a football club. Clearly the seperation of assets does not help and our league position isn't a pull but if we cost a pound I'm sure there would be interest. Then you get into the type of people. We know the ststem can't prevent crooks getting involved.
At the moment it feels like death by a thousand cuts. The way he is running the club means that there is zero prospect of promotion all the time he stays, which means that we can only hope that we don't get relegated during that time. The longer he stays, the more the money belt will be tightened in his quest to break even, thus ever increasing the likelihood of that relegation.
This is really starting to feel as if something is about to happen.
Sandgaard appears to be looking for a way out, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if in the near future he just cuts his losses, and walks away from the club.
He is losing £700,000 a month, £8 million a year and the club is spiraling to the bottom of the league.
He owns nothing. He is simply putting his personal wealth into a black hole. And with not a hope of ever seeing it again.
The problem now is that for the fans to be seen to be protesting at the owner, which is at least the third time in 6 years 3 owners on the trot will not encourage anyone else to buy the club.
I don't know about that but I am not sure that protesting gets us anywhere. The club will be sold if someone with big enough pockets wants to buy it and take Duchatelet out at the same time.
Protests wouldn't bring that forward unless people think Sandgaard is the obstacle to a sale.
Doesn’t sound like you believe the talk elsewhere that TS is the obstacle to a sale?
I think his ownership will collapse of its own contradictions anyway.
Put you on the spot here Airman, do you believe there is a very good chance we could end up in administration ?
There isn't anything to administrate, more likely to be sold for £1 than go into administration IMO.
How is that possible? Who would pick up the debt?
The debt is surely Sandgaard's and he would have to write it off.
I’d imagine it will get to the point where it might be like Ellis Short at Sunderland (comparatively speaking) and he sells to someone for a £1 just to take the burden off of him financially. There were positive signs at the start given how he used an established law firm to secure proper ownership from the mess of ESI, and now although we know not owning the ground and sparrows lane means he’ll walk away with a very expensive lesson and nothing to show for it, at the time we could only take him on his word on financial commitment shown and general enthusiasm.
It was very hard to read between the lines back then re: the guitars and the showmanship, and I, like many others probably just wanted to believe and have something to feel good about again after RD and the crooks involved in ESI 1 and 2.
I think he got unlucky with the Bowyer situation, in that Bowyer seemed to have lost the dressing room, probably liked the situation under RD where he just got on with little scrutiny, and was worn down by the farce of ESI. It was all probably too much, too soon for someone who evidently as time has progressed, doesn’t really understand football, doesn’t really understand the club and has had a baptism of fire.
Adkins spell at the end of 19/20 probably gave the impression the house was solid structurally, but we just needed to decorate (sorry for the house analogy), but, and I know I’m at odds with a few views here, the team that finished 7th weren’t actually that good imo.
What happened from the end of that season up until now though is firmly on him and the absolute shambles he’s created. It’s a mess. He’s clueless. No idea about any of it, and he’s made some terrible mistakes. Most of us probably gave him the benefit of the doubt because he does continue to fund us, he’s putting money in and ultimately, who knows what would’ve happened had ESI v2 got hold of the club. But now, without serious changes that I don’t think he’s capable of, it will get worse, a lot worse.
I don’t see any value in protesting personally. He’s not going to suddenly hand BG a million to spend in Jan and we’re stuck with the dregs that we have assembled this season. I think he’ll begin to realise he’s mucked it up and to hang around would be to stay where he’s not welcome. He likes the limelight - he won’t get nights jamming in the oak with the fans if we’re mid table again come Feb, and the walks round the pitch like the one at Wycombe will be very uncomfortable.
I’ve got no idea when his time will end, or how he’ll sell up, but it will be a slow, painful ride until then and expect lots of meltdown in the coming months
I am not suggesting that his losses would have been less but I believe that he would have had more success if he would have let his managers manage. Yes Sandgaard has made some crass errors, from dictating to Adkins then underfunding him from now doing exactly the same with Garner. On the playing side Swartz and loss the resigning of Anke are probably the most costly but the situation created by a loose tongue in the negotiations with Washington is not far behind and to go a whole summer without replacing that goal scorer is now costing him dear. I actually believe if a goal scorer had been signed we would be four points better off and a lot of these posts would not be happening. Sandgaard is now finding the situation is getting beyond him and what might have been either a loan, a free transfer or, God forbid, an investment in a goal scorer, will now cost him a lot more than the options I've mentioned, a cost that I don't believe he wants to live with anymore.
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
Of course there is Fanny. But finding those sorts is as rare as rocking horse sh*t!
One could argue that our set up was far simpler when Roland was looking to sell first time round. Still nobody worth any salt turned up.
Look at the mess we're in now and ask yourself how many fairy godmothers are banging down the board room door?
At the moment it feels like death by a thousand cuts. The way he is running the club means that there is zero prospect of promotion all the time he stays, which means that we can only hope that we don't get relegated during that time. The longer he stays, the more the money belt will be tightened in his quest to break even, thus ever increasing the likelihood of that relegation.
And he must realise he is failing. If we were improving under him he could probably see the forward path but because he is clueless there isn't one.
At the moment it feels like death by a thousand cuts. The way he is running the club means that there is zero prospect of promotion all the time he stays, which means that we can only hope that we don't get relegated during that time. The longer he stays, the more the money belt will be tightened in his quest to break even, thus ever increasing the likelihood of that relegation.
And he must realise he is failing. If we were improving under him he could probably see the forward path but because he is clueless there isn't one.
I think that you are right that he must have realised that he is failing. If he hasn't then he is even more stupid than I thought. Certainly any ambition that he had for promotion to the Championship and then Premier League has evaporated. His quest to try to get to a point of break even can only be with a view to making the club more attractive to offload.
This is really starting to feel as if something is about to happen.
Sandgaard appears to be looking for a way out, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if in the near future he just cuts his losses, and walks away from the club.
He is losing £700,000 a month, £8 million a year and the club is spiraling to the bottom of the league.
He owns nothing. He is simply putting his personal wealth into a black hole. And with not a hope of ever seeing it again.
Nobody is going to do that for very long.
Charlton are his project and he wants to prove he can break even and maybe even profit. He wants to grab positive headlines.
He is Dr evils (rolands) "mini-me"
It's basically the same bloke, who is also living on another planet. Simply just an idiot.
Deep down in his american waffle brain, he does want to sell, unfortunately, the other half of his daft stubborn brain will delay the process.
At the moment it feels like death by a thousand cuts. The way he is running the club means that there is zero prospect of promotion all the time he stays, which means that we can only hope that we don't get relegated during that time. The longer he stays, the more the money belt will be tightened in his quest to break even, thus ever increasing the likelihood of that relegation.
And he must realise he is failing. If we were improving under him he could probably see the forward path but because he is clueless there isn't one.
I think that you are right that he must have realised that he is failing. If he hasn't then he is even more stupid than I thought. Certainly any ambition that he had for promotion to the Championship and then Premier League has evaporated. His quest to try to get to a point of break even can only be with a view to making the club more attractive to offload.
But by the time he gets there, if he ever does, he would have lost shedloads more. You surely take us over to gain success, when you don't and realise you never will, surely you just have to walk.
At the moment it feels like death by a thousand cuts. The way he is running the club means that there is zero prospect of promotion all the time he stays, which means that we can only hope that we don't get relegated during that time. The longer he stays, the more the money belt will be tightened in his quest to break even, thus ever increasing the likelihood of that relegation.
And he must realise he is failing. If we were improving under him he could probably see the forward path but because he is clueless there isn't one.
I think that you are right that he must have realised that he is failing. If he hasn't then he is even more stupid than I thought. Certainly any ambition that he had for promotion to the Championship and then Premier League has evaporated. His quest to try to get to a point of break even can only be with a view to making the club more attractive to offload.
But by the time he gets there, if he ever does, he would have lost shedloads more. You surely take us over to gain success, when you don't and realise you never will, surely you just have to walk.
He will never get the club to break even point except by being extremely lucky with the sale of academy produce. A sane person would have realised very quickly that they didn't have what was required to make a success of the club. As every day goes by he seems to be moving further away from being that sane person.
At the moment it feels like death by a thousand cuts. The way he is running the club means that there is zero prospect of promotion all the time he stays, which means that we can only hope that we don't get relegated during that time. The longer he stays, the more the money belt will be tightened in his quest to break even, thus ever increasing the likelihood of that relegation.
And he must realise he is failing. If we were improving under him he could probably see the forward path but because he is clueless there isn't one.
I think that you are right that he must have realised that he is failing. If he hasn't then he is even more stupid than I thought. Certainly any ambition that he had for promotion to the Championship and then Premier League has evaporated. His quest to try to get to a point of break even can only be with a view to making the club more attractive to offload.
But by the time he gets there, if he ever does, he would have lost shedloads more. You surely take us over to gain success, when you don't and realise you never will, surely you just have to walk.
He will never get the club to break even point except by being extremely lucky with the sale of academy produce. A sane person would have realised very quickly that they didn't have what was required to make a success of the club. As every day goes by he seems to be moving further away from being that sane person.
He was full of beans before owning Charlton and the early days of running the club. The tweets, talk sport chatter, taking the piss out of matt Southall, strolling around the museum
Let's say end of this season he is £16M down (player sales will have stemmed some of the losses to date).
Sells Leaburn for £4M cash upfront and Gomez moves netting him another £5M. Then flogs anything else he can get money for (Wolllacot, Stockley, Kirk, DJ, CBT, Fraser may net another £1M).
Sells for £1 and writes off £6M.
Probably the best he could do.
Leaves us screwed with no players for next season.
He walks off saying he saved us, put money in to stabilize us and sold us having bought us to a break even point and claims his ownership was a big success.
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
That has to be our hope. There are plenty of mega rich, around the Globe. English football is global. I occasionally even see some clips of our glory days popping up on the big screens of the bars here in Thailand. Leicester City could probably never have imagined what would happen when their Thai owners took over!
Such people with huge wealth don't buy Super Yachts or Ferrari's as good long term investment's, they buy them for fun, and are not too bothered about possibly losing a few million here or there. An English Football Club with a great tradition could be a similar indulgence that could bring them great excitement and interest. Our problem now is that having been in the lower leagues for so long, our profile has greatly faded and we really need a Peter Varney type character to market us, and then hopefully attract suitably wealthy buyers.
Let's say end of this season he is £16M down (player sales will have stemmed some of the losses to date).
Sells Leaburn for £4M cash upfront and Gomez moves netting him another £5M. Then flogs anything else he can get money for (Wolllacot, Stockley, Kirk, DJ, CBT, Fraser may net another £1M).
Sells for £1 and writes off £6M.
Probably the best he could do.
Leaves us screwed with no players for next season.
He walks off saying he saved us, put money in to stabilize us and sold us having bought us to a break even point and claims his ownership was a big success.
If it were me I would do exactly that minus the claims that my ownership was a big success. Let's hope he doesn't tbh as we'll be walking straight into another ESI type of ownership next, since no one reputable is likely to want to take us on and the club won't cost a penny.
Results haven't been great but the performances compared to the Adkins start last season are hugely improved imo and I think Garner can turn it around and I hope he does so quickly to help alleviate the current dark mood.
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
You buying us then mate:)
1% oohaah buys the club outright 9% oohaah forms a consortium to buy the club 90% not on your nelly!
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
That has to be our hope. There are plenty of mega rich, around the Globe. English football is global. I occasionally even see some clips of our glory days popping up on the big screens of the bars here in Thailand. Leicester City could probably never have imagined what would happen when their Thai owners took over!
Such people with huge wealth don't buy Super Yachts or Ferrari's as good long term investment's, they buy them for fun, and are not too bothered about possibly losing a few million here or there. An English Football Club with a great tradition could be a similar indulgence that could bring them great excitement and interest. Our problem now is that having been in the lower leagues for so long, our profile has greatly faded and we really need a Peter Varney type character to market us, and then hopefully attract suitably wealthy buyers.
Is this not Barclay and Varney? Other than Barclay won't get involved without the training ground and The Valley being included. Or, won't meet Roland's asking price
I think that pretty much every decision that Thomas Sandgaard has made since he took over the club has been based on either one of two things. His ego and the Zynex share price. I don’t doubt that when he bought the club he wanted to ride in as the Knight in shinning armour, ridding us from our evil owners and leading us on a path to footballing success. His first battle was a huge triumph in outwitting ESI 2 and taking ownership and in turn winning him the adulation that he craved. Unfortunately at the time he embarked on this project Zynax shares were on the rise, but sadly for him, and us they peaked in July 2020 at just under $26 a share before sliding sharply to end the year at less than half that, Just when he had the chance to have his first meaningful stab at a full transfer window. I’m know there are many people here who will have a far better idea of financial markets and why the price dropped as quickly as it had risen than me, but it would seem to my eyes that the company became over valued during the start of the covid crises and then returned to a more natural level. Maybe Sandgaard himself selling off shares to buy and fund the club had an impact on the value. But regardless of the reason the price has not recovered since and now sits at under $8.50 and does not seem likely to reach those dizzy heights of $25 + anytime in the near future.
I think for a long time TS, governed by his ego thought that the company would bounce back and start to climb again and I am sure firmly believed that when it did he would put money into the club and give it the much needed boost to set us on our way up the pyramid and him on a route to hero status. But at some point during last season I think the penny dropped with him that the share price of July 2020 was in the distant past and to fund the dream of on field success could leave him broke and without any shares in his own company. If we are being optimistic the share price might go up, just like a boat load of rubber might have floated up the Thames. But if it doesn’t what does Tommy do? Rock on and hope for a lucky break or pull out and try to repair his damaged ego?. And what is best for us the club and the supporters which by now are really the same thing? Without any idea who might be interested in where we are now it seems impossible to say whether we are better of with TS or with him gone.
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
That has to be our hope. There are plenty of mega rich, around the Globe. English football is global. I occasionally even see some clips of our glory days popping up on the big screens of the bars here in Thailand. Leicester City could probably never have imagined what would happen when their Thai owners took over!
Such people with huge wealth don't buy Super Yachts or Ferrari's as good long term investment's, they buy them for fun, and are not too bothered about possibly losing a few million here or there. An English Football Club with a great tradition could be a similar indulgence that could bring them great excitement and interest. Our problem now is that having been in the lower leagues for so long, our profile has greatly faded and we really need a Peter Varney type character to market us, and then hopefully attract suitably wealthy buyers.
Is this not Barclay and Varney? Other than Barclay won't get involved without the training ground and The Valley being included. Or, won't meet Roland's asking price
Does he even know RDs asking price? Bloke was so interested he didt have a single meeting with RD.
Forget Barclay, it’s pie in the sky nonsense, will never happen.
Murray had RD ear and told him Varney was bad news or some shit , hence Barclay didn’t get a look in with the RD , shame Murray couldn’t have done some due diligence on the ESI 🤡 and warned RD about them
Murray had RD ear and told him Varney was bad news or some shit , hence Barclay didn’t get a look in with the RD , shame Murray couldn’t have done some due diligence on the ESI 🤡 and warned RD about them
Might be wrong but I also remember hearing something about Varney being the middle man for the now current Newcastle owners and Murray stopped RD hearing them out, so they turned to the geordies instead
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
That has to be our hope. There are plenty of mega rich, around the Globe. English football is global. I occasionally even see some clips of our glory days popping up on the big screens of the bars here in Thailand. Leicester City could probably never have imagined what would happen when their Thai owners took over!
Such people with huge wealth don't buy Super Yachts or Ferrari's as good long term investment's, they buy them for fun, and are not too bothered about possibly losing a few million here or there. An English Football Club with a great tradition could be a similar indulgence that could bring them great excitement and interest. Our problem now is that having been in the lower leagues for so long, our profile has greatly faded and we really need a Peter Varney type character to market us, and then hopefully attract suitably wealthy buyers.
Is this not Barclay and Varney? Other than Barclay won't get involved without the training ground and The Valley being included. Or, won't meet Roland's asking price
Yes, and the Barclay family have the kind of wealth that we require. These days that begins with a "B", or certainly up in that range, rather than an "M" which is where Sandgaard fits. But there may possibly be other's out there that could be attracted given good strategic marketing, an an alignment of the stars. Who knows, maybe a significant decline in London Property Values, or the potential of that happening in the not too distant future, might be enough to change the dynamics, and finally force the hand of RD !
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
That has to be our hope. There are plenty of mega rich, around the Globe. English football is global. I occasionally even see some clips of our glory days popping up on the big screens of the bars here in Thailand. Leicester City could probably never have imagined what would happen when their Thai owners took over!
Such people with huge wealth don't buy Super Yachts or Ferrari's as good long term investment's, they buy them for fun, and are not too bothered about possibly losing a few million here or there. An English Football Club with a great tradition could be a similar indulgence that could bring them great excitement and interest. Our problem now is that having been in the lower leagues for so long, our profile has greatly faded and we really need a Peter Varney type character to market us, and then hopefully attract suitably wealthy buyers.
Is this not Barclay and Varney? Other than Barclay won't get involved without the training ground and The Valley being included. Or, won't meet Roland's asking price
Barclay won't buy us. He talked the talk but opted not to as you point out. He could have got to Roland with an offer matching his asking price, but didn't, not that I blame him. I don't see why he'd decide to pay over the odds now as we're not a better prospect.
Best to forget him rather than dwell on it coz it ain't gonna happen.
Murray had RD ear and told him Varney was bad news or some shit , hence Barclay didn’t get a look in with the RD , shame Murray couldn’t have done some due diligence on the ESI 🤡 and warned RD about them
Might be wrong but I also remember hearing something about Varney being the middle man for the now current Newcastle owners and Murray stopped RD hearing them out, so they turned to the geordies instead
Heard the same, but if the will was strong enough to pay the asking price, they'd have found a way. RD sold to the highest bidder and that wasn't Barclay.
I mean soooo many clowns every time we’ve been up for sale waffle the complete shit of we’re a good “investment” … London club , Premiership ground , good potential blah blah blah
utter fucking guff
we are a drain on anyone that owns us
A loss making business
as I’ve always said no sane person would want to own us
basically we need more than a miracle to get out of this rut of shitness
Would this still be the case if the assets were sold by RD to a new purchaser who is a) Mega wealthy or who has investors in place to share the load b) Either has previous experience or has someone working alongside/advising who has & c) Has completed rigorous due diligence on our club & is totally aware of the inevitable pitfalls etc in undertaking such a venture ?
Just asking the question....
Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
That has to be our hope. There are plenty of mega rich, around the Globe. English football is global. I occasionally even see some clips of our glory days popping up on the big screens of the bars here in Thailand. Leicester City could probably never have imagined what would happen when their Thai owners took over!
Such people with huge wealth don't buy Super Yachts or Ferrari's as good long term investment's, they buy them for fun, and are not too bothered about possibly losing a few million here or there. An English Football Club with a great tradition could be a similar indulgence that could bring them great excitement and interest. Our problem now is that having been in the lower leagues for so long, our profile has greatly faded and we really need a Peter Varney type character to market us, and then hopefully attract suitably wealthy buyers.
Is this not Barclay and Varney? Other than Barclay won't get involved without the training ground and The Valley being included. Or, won't meet Roland's asking price
Yes, and the Barclay family have the kind of wealth that we require. These days that begins with a "B", or certainly up in that range, rather than an "M" which is where Sandgaard fits. But there may possibly be other's out there that could be attracted given good strategic marketing, an an alignment of the stars. Who knows, maybe a significant decline in London Property Values, or the potential of that happening in the not too distant future, might be enough to change the dynamics, and finally force the hand of RD !
Can't see him dropping the price and don't expect London property price's to drop significantly. No pressure on him to sell whilst collecting rent. He might even raise the asking price if property price's move the other way. We have to find someone to pay him what he wants or leave the Valley. Failing that, we carry on as we are.
Murray had RD ear and told him Varney was bad news or some shit , hence Barclay didn’t get a look in with the RD , shame Murray couldn’t have done some due diligence on the ESI 🤡 and warned RD about them
Might be wrong but I also remember hearing something about Varney being the middle man for the now current Newcastle owners and Murray stopped RD hearing them out, so they turned to the geordies instead
Heard the same but think it's a red herring. RD sold to the highest bidder and that wasn't Barclay.
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Could there be anyone fulfilling said profile somewhere out there ?
It was very hard to read between the lines back then re: the guitars and the showmanship, and I, like many others probably just wanted to believe and have something to feel good about again after RD and the crooks involved in ESI 1 and 2.
I think he got unlucky with the Bowyer situation, in that Bowyer seemed to have lost the dressing room, probably liked the situation under RD where he just got on with little scrutiny, and was worn down by the farce of ESI. It was all probably too much, too soon for someone who evidently as time has progressed, doesn’t really understand football, doesn’t really understand the club and has had a baptism of fire.
Adkins spell at the end of 19/20 probably gave the impression the house was solid structurally, but we just needed to decorate (sorry for the house analogy), but, and I know I’m at odds with a few views here, the team that finished 7th weren’t actually that good imo.
I don’t see any value in protesting personally. He’s not going to suddenly hand BG a million to spend in Jan and we’re stuck with the dregs that we have assembled this season. I think he’ll begin to realise he’s mucked it up and to hang around would be to stay where he’s not welcome. He likes the limelight - he won’t get nights jamming in the oak with the fans if we’re mid table again come Feb, and the walks round the pitch like the one at Wycombe will be very uncomfortable.
The way he is running the club means that there is zero prospect of promotion all the time he stays, which means that we can only hope that we don't get relegated during that time. The longer he stays, the more the money belt will be tightened in his quest to break even, thus ever increasing the likelihood of that relegation.
Sandgaard appears to be looking for a way out, and I wouldn’t be at all surprised if in the near future he just cuts his losses, and walks away from the club.
He is losing £700,000 a month, £8 million a year and the club is spiraling to the bottom of the league.
He owns nothing.
He is simply putting his personal wealth into a black hole.
And with not a hope of ever seeing it again.
Nobody is going to do that for very long.
One could argue that our set up was far simpler when Roland was looking to sell first time round. Still nobody worth any salt turned up.
Look at the mess we're in now and ask yourself how many fairy godmothers are banging down the board room door?
His quest to try to get to a point of break even can only be with a view to making the club more attractive to offload.
Charlton are his project and he wants to prove he can break even and maybe even profit. He wants to grab positive headlines.
He is Dr evils (rolands) "mini-me"
It's basically the same bloke, who is also living on another planet. Simply just an idiot.
Deep down in his american waffle brain, he does want to sell, unfortunately, the other half of his daft stubborn brain will delay the process.
A sane person would have realised very quickly that they didn't have what was required to make a success of the club. As every day goes by he seems to be moving further away from being that sane person.
He was full of beans before owning Charlton and the early days of running the club. The tweets, talk sport chatter, taking the piss out of matt Southall, strolling around the museum
After two years, Sandguard has been charltonised.
Getting charltonised usually only takes 6months
Sells Leaburn for £4M cash upfront and Gomez moves netting him another £5M. Then flogs anything else he can get money for (Wolllacot, Stockley, Kirk, DJ, CBT, Fraser may net another £1M).
Sells for £1 and writes off £6M.
Probably the best he could do.
Leaves us screwed with no players for next season.
He walks off saying he saved us, put money in to stabilize us and sold us having bought us to a break even point and claims his ownership was a big success.
Leicester City could probably never have imagined what would happen when their Thai owners took over!
Such people with huge wealth don't buy Super Yachts or Ferrari's as good long term investment's, they buy them for fun, and are not too bothered about possibly losing a few million here or there. An English Football Club with a great tradition could be a similar indulgence that could bring them great excitement and interest.
Our problem now is that having been in the lower leagues for so long, our profile has greatly faded and we really need a Peter Varney type character to market us, and then hopefully attract suitably wealthy buyers.
If it were me I would do exactly that minus the claims that my ownership was a big success. Let's hope he doesn't tbh as we'll be walking straight into another ESI type of ownership next, since no one reputable is likely to want to take us on and the club won't cost a penny.
Results haven't been great but the performances compared to the Adkins start last season are hugely improved imo and I think Garner can turn it around and I hope he does so quickly to help alleviate the current dark mood.
9% oohaah forms a consortium to buy the club
90% not on your nelly!
I think for a long time TS, governed by his ego thought that the company would bounce back and start to climb again and I am sure firmly believed that when it did he would put money into the club and give it the much needed boost to set us on our way up the pyramid and him on a route to hero status. But at some point during last season I think the penny dropped with him that the share price of July 2020 was in the distant past and to fund the dream of on field success could leave him broke and without any shares in his own company. If we are being optimistic the share price might go up, just like a boat load of rubber might have floated up the Thames. But if it doesn’t what does Tommy do? Rock on and hope for a lucky break or pull out and try to repair his damaged ego?. And what is best for us the club and the supporters which by now are really the same thing? Without any idea who might be interested in where we are now it seems impossible to say whether we are better of with TS or with him gone.
Forget Barclay, it’s pie in the sky nonsense, will never happen.
But there may possibly be other's out there that could be attracted given good strategic marketing, an an alignment of the stars.
Who knows, maybe a significant decline in London Property Values, or the potential of that happening in the not too distant future, might be enough to change the dynamics, and finally force the hand of RD !
Best to forget him rather than dwell on it coz it ain't gonna happen.