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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Derby County | Saturday 6th August 2022 @ 3pm
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This isn’t being negative anymore it’s called attention seeking.golfaddick said:
His goal kicks are rubbish. Most never left the floor or were 2ft off it. I don't know if people remember MacGillivray's first few games at home. He had a blinder in a couple & made saves just as good, if not better, than Woolacott. Apart from the latter coming off his line a few time to claim the ball I couldn't really see any difference.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:As much as I like Wollacott I think the praise is a bit OTT. He seemed glued to his line on numerous occasions and not always convinced by his decision to punch rather than catch. A good shot stopper but for me has weaknesses.9 -
That would explain so muchgolfaddick said:
I dont believe you were there yesterday. If there was 17k in three then my grandmothers an alien. Just take at look at the highlights video which shows heaps of empty seats in the West & the quadrants. 14k is going some in itself.DOUCHER said:
Fact is he anticipated a crowd of 14k and it was 17k so a bit wide of the mark againmendonca said:Most of AB's posts are really sounding like 'TS this' and 'TS that'.
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I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.1 -
What was the atmosphere like?Heard there was boing at HT which even if we’re weren’t playing well, is some going even by our standards!1
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Yep booing, loads of ‘lump it forward’ in the first halfAFKABartram said:What was the atmosphere like?Heard there was boing at HT which even if we’re weren’t playing well, is some going even by our standards!0 -
A lot of frustration first half which was understandable given we had about 5 touches in the first 15 mins.AFKABartram said:What was the atmosphere like?Heard there was boing at HT which even if we’re weren’t playing well, is some going even by our standards!Second half was good. Was really noisy when we scored.3 -
Yes there were a few boos at half time but the noise from the CE was good throughout. Really loud once we scored, throughout the last 15 mins and after the final whistle. CE was much fuller than I was expectingAFKABartram said:What was the atmosphere like?Heard there was boing at HT which even if we’re weren’t playing well, is some going even by our standards!5 -
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.0 -
Second game of the season. New manager. New players. Completely new ethos and style of play. Playing a strong side who have come down from the championship who have clearly have a larger budget than us.
And some fans are booing at the first opportunity they get.I personally just don’t understand why you would have that reaction.
I don’t want the valley to turn into a place where if our players have an off day, or are outplayed for a half (which will happen) they get boo’d.16 -
How many pints the poster had before kickoff might be a more relevant piece of information.Red_in_SE8 said:I agree with the poster above. It would be really helpful if when posting on the match/post match thread people indicated where they are/were sitting. I viewed the match from the upper west on the centre line. Based on some of the comments on individual performances on this thread and the match thread I find it difficult to believe I was watching the same match.5 -
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I genuinely don’t recall hearing any booing at Charlton for about the first 15 years of me attending matches. Now you just have to wait 15 minutes of a new season.Rothko said:
Yep booing, loads of ‘lump it forward’ in the first halfAFKABartram said:What was the atmosphere like?Heard there was boing at HT which even if we’re weren’t playing well, is some going even by our standards!2 -
You mean very similar to Wigan last season then?? Apart from the just come down from the Championship bit.FishCostaFortune said:Second game of the season. New manager. New players. Completely new ethos and style of play. Playing a strong side who have come down from the championship who have clearly have a larger budget than us.
And some fans are booing at the first opportunity they get.I personally just don’t understand why you would have that reaction.
I don’t want the valley to turn into a place where if our players have an off day, or are outplayed for a half (which will happen) they get boo’d.0 -
We were playing West Brom? Boing! Boing!AFKABartram said:What was the atmosphere like?Heard there was boing at HT which even if we’re weren’t playing well, is some going even by our standards!
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Well I'd had a couple and was sitting on the sofa, no not that one, at home watching Jeff and the boys on Sky for what it's worth. I'm not local and haven't travelled regularly to attend games since I don't know when.Exiled_Addick said:
How many pints the poster had before kickoff might be a more relevant piece of information.Red_in_SE8 said:I agree with the poster above. It would be really helpful if when posting on the match/post match thread people indicated where they are/were sitting. I viewed the match from the upper west on the centre line. Based on some of the comments on individual performances on this thread and the match thread I find it difficult to believe I was watching the same match.0 -
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.0 -
It had potential to get really toxic, we gathered a bit of momentum towards the end of the half and managed to hold on to 0-0.AFKABartram said:What was the atmosphere like?Heard there was boing at HT which even if we’re weren’t playing well, is some going even by our standards!
Second half better atmosphere and when the goal went in the north lower was bouncing almost like an away game.2 -
I wasn't one of them, but to be fair to the booers, that first half was garbage, and the last memory would have been O'Connell's awful header back to Wollacott which led to Collins hitting the post. The problem wasn't defenders passing it around, and not "lumping it" but rather how the team as a whole barely did any defending at all, and hardly strung any passes together either.1
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I don't boo anyway, but at half time I felt relief more than annoyance, holding onto hope that it would get better.
I don't know what anyone might've been booing at, the game wasn't lost at half time was it?1 -
Indeed. I wonder why it was not a feature of pre season for us?Cafc43v3r said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.0 -
Give the game away? City haven't done it, regularly, for a couple of seasons now.FishCostaFortune said:
Indeed. I wonder why it was not a feature of pre season for us?Cafc43v3r said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.
If you can pick, basically, the same 11 and play 2 or 3 different ways you have a massive advantage.1 -
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Garner mentioned in his interview that he changed our shape on the ball second half to help us play through their lines easier, so might have been ad hoc. Nice to know we have such a tactically astute manager.Cafc43v3r said:
Give the game away? City haven't done it, regularly, for a couple of seasons now.FishCostaFortune said:
Indeed. I wonder why it was not a feature of pre season for us?Cafc43v3r said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.
If you can pick, basically, the same 11 and play 2 or 3 different ways you have a massive advantage.2 -
I boo all the time. I booed the kettle the other day, till i noticed the plug was not in properly!15
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Browny was banging on about it in the first half but sometimes it's so hard to tell because you naturally follow the ball. Unless your watching from high up near the half way line.Chunes said:
Garner mentioned in his interview that he changed our shape on the ball second half to help us play through their lines easier, so might have been ad hoc. Nice to know we have such a tactically astute manager.Cafc43v3r said:
Give the game away? City haven't done it, regularly, for a couple of seasons now.FishCostaFortune said:
Indeed. I wonder why it was not a feature of pre season for us?Cafc43v3r said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.
If you can pick, basically, the same 11 and play 2 or 3 different ways you have a massive advantage.1 -
Haven’t you heard the expression a booed pot never boils.soapy_jones said:I boo all the time. I booed the kettle the other day, till i noticed the plug was not in properly!2 -
From listening to tonight's Charlton Live it sounds like Morgan was moved deeper alongside Dobson. I didn't notice at the time, and despite that he still got forward to help create the goal and have another shot from range.Cafc43v3r said:
Browny was banging on about it in the first half but sometimes it's so hard to tell because you naturally follow the ball. Unless your watching from high up near the half way line.Chunes said:
Garner mentioned in his interview that he changed our shape on the ball second half to help us play through their lines easier, so might have been ad hoc. Nice to know we have such a tactically astute manager.Cafc43v3r said:
Give the game away? City haven't done it, regularly, for a couple of seasons now.FishCostaFortune said:
Indeed. I wonder why it was not a feature of pre season for us?Cafc43v3r said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.
If you can pick, basically, the same 11 and play 2 or 3 different ways you have a massive advantage.1 -
sometimes u get it wrong - i've been wrong before, it happensAirman Brown said:
Had the gate been announced on the same basis the club adopted last season it would have been 14,000. I’m not sure how I am supposed to anticipate the club switching between one method and another.DOUCHER said:
i was there yesterday and i didn't say there was 17k there - the question the other day was what will the gate be and the gate was 17k which includes, as it always does, absent season ticket holders - airman thought 15-16k would be a stretch when i forecasted it and said 14k tops or similar, but it exceeded it - doesn't matter really but he's always putting a downer on the gates and ticket prices and anything else the club does but he got that wrong didn't he? - very simple really - many more bought on the day than he thought would.golfaddick said:
I dont believe you were there yesterday. If there was 17k in three then my grandmothers an alien. Just take at look at the highlights video which shows heaps of empty seats in the West & the quadrants. 14k is going some in itself.DOUCHER said:
Fact is he anticipated a crowd of 14k and it was 17k so a bit wide of the mark againmendonca said:Most of AB's posts are really sounding like 'TS this' and 'TS that'.0 -
FishCostaFortune said:
Indeed. I wonder why it was not a feature of pre season for us?Cafc43v3r said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.
I think Clare did in at least one half of a preseason game
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i didn't hear any booing at half time - don't get me wrong, the first half was really bad but the crowd was good and the atmosphere was very good all second half0
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It really is fascinating. We got to the universally used 442 from 235 in at least 3, but probably more different ways.Scoham said:
From listening to tonight's Charlton Live it sounds like Morgan was moved deeper alongside Dobson. I didn't notice at the time, and despite that he still got forward to help create the goal and have another shot from range.Cafc43v3r said:
Browny was banging on about it in the first half but sometimes it's so hard to tell because you naturally follow the ball. Unless your watching from high up near the half way line.Chunes said:
Garner mentioned in his interview that he changed our shape on the ball second half to help us play through their lines easier, so might have been ad hoc. Nice to know we have such a tactically astute manager.Cafc43v3r said:
Give the game away? City haven't done it, regularly, for a couple of seasons now.FishCostaFortune said:
Indeed. I wonder why it was not a feature of pre season for us?Cafc43v3r said:
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but City used the "tuck into midfield" full backs a lot today.Cafc43v3r said:
We were definitely not doing it in the pre-season games I watched.FishCostaFortune said:
I can’t say I noticed it at all pre season, but instantly picked up on it against Accrington - especially with Clare’s positioning.Cafc43v3r said:
Look at the positioning of two full backs. You couldn't see it, or I certainly couldn't on the highlights but Browny mentioned it a number of times on comms.ross1 said:
It's a very early Man City Pep thing. Morgan took up the position you would expect an over/under lapping left back to be and both our full backs were tucked in to effectively be extra center mids. Interesting. I didn't notice that in pre-season. Anyone else notice it? I suspect a view from the East or West stands would give the best idea.
Swindon played with "orthodox" over lapping fullbacks.
I find this side of the game fascinating. I love watching coaches and their teams evolve over time, unfortunately most of them get more pragmatic as they get older.
If you can pick, basically, the same 11 and play 2 or 3 different ways you have a massive advantage.
Even today the starting point is 442, then how do you get the 3rd, or even 4th, center mid into the team.
Most teams still defend with two banks of 4, or 1 with 5. They attack with 2 or 3 wide on the same side and 3 in the middle. Or try to.0 -
The game yesterday really reminded me of the 1-0 against Watford when Big Bob was manager.0
