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POST-MATCH THREAD | Wycombe Wanderers V Charlton Athletic..Saturday 27th August 2022
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Forgotten?RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Curbishley talks so much sense.
If Sandgaard had the foresight get him in the fold rather than wasting his spot on acumen on Charlton TV it would likely pay huge dividends.
Has forgotten more about Charlton and football than anyone currently involved in the club has or likely ever will.
Curbishley or Sandgaard?
I'm genuinely not sure what you're trying to say.0 -
True if you’re playing at home to Port Vale. But not if you’re limiting a decent team away from home to four shots. It’s not just designed to create chances but to limit the opposition too.soapboxsam said:I'm like a broken record but at least I'm consistent. 61% possession means very little if you only have two shots on target.1 -
For me, bit disappointed in the manager that he didn't bring on Leaburn and DJ at 45 mins, when it was clear kirk couldn't beat his man and stockley couldn't get space for himself or win the ariels.Shame washington went and defo need his replacement.2
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Happy with that. I think we've progressed immensely from last season. However theres still something missing in this squad or team, I just don't know what it is.1
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Possession football also means very little when it’s simply across the back line and defensive midfieldersoapboxsam said:I'm like a broken record but at least I'm consistent. 61% possession means very little if you only have two shots on target.11 -
Did he? I must have missed that.charltonbob said:
Sandgaard has already said we don't need experienced football people involved as running a football club is easy you just need to be smarter than everybody elseRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Curbishley talks so much sense.
If Sandgaard had the foresight get him in the fold rather than wasting his spot on acumen on Charlton TV it would likely pay huge dividends.
Has forgotten more about Charlton and football than anyone currently involved in the club has or likely ever will.
Anyway who needs Curbs when you have Martin & the wife.
Who were the experienced football people let go to make way for Martin and Raelynn?1 -
Was fearing the worst after that period of grim dominance by Wycombe in the first half. Pleased that we kept them quieter in the second half, though we were a bit toothless ourselves. A couple of shrewd additions and I think we'll compete for a playoff spot.
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Strange game for me. We started brightly, albeit without creating very much and were suddenly a goal down. A goal which appeared to be preventable with both CBs going walkabout again. I have said it before, but Innis doesn't work in this style of play. I'd argue that O'Connell looks better alongside Lavelle as well.
Thankfully we got back into it very quickly with a smart finsih from JRS.
We then came under sustained pressure and couldn't seem to retain the ball at all. Wycombe did what they do for 25 mins. Turned the ball over and got it into our box very quickly. TBF, we stood up to it pretty well and despite a number of corners and setplays we didn't really look like conceding again.
Thought we were pretty much in control in the 2nd half and whatever Garner did tactically at half time seemed to work. Unfortunately the final ball wasn't there and we lacked that little bit of quality in the final 3rd.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Stockley. He has a bit of a thankless task at the moment, its not like he is missing loads of chances as we aren't really creating much for him and he is very much living off scraps. I'd argue that his link play is still ok at that moment.
Main criticism of Garner today was the apparent reluctantance to use substitutes earlier. We had a lot of players blowing out of their arses at the end and TBH I am surprised Fraser and JRS were left on till the end.
Positives - JRS took his goal well and several times showed great close control in beating his man, Fraser is becoming more and more influential (although I'd like to see him push on a bit further and support Stockley a bit. Woolacott largely solid again. Dobson was a massive prescence throughout.
Negatives - looked leggy at the end. Morgan was back to his seemingly "usual" self and constantly gave the ball away. Innis injured again, but TBH he is increasingly looking like a carthorse in this style of play. The amount of rushed hospital balls he plays out from the back is criminal. I don't think Payne is going to be an impact player from the bench and at the moment he is going to struggle to start games.
All in all a good point which I'd have taken before the game. Compare it to the going over we got there last season. What we do need to do, is find a way of moving the ball quicker in the final 3rd and working the oppo keeper more. Given who we have played so far, I firmly believe its a good start. Add a couple of players and get 2/3 back from injury and we will be there or thereabouts come May.16 -
It’s time our owner and new manager tookEugenesAxe said:Gutted Stockley didn’t get his hat trick
note of Curbs and realised that we need a proper striker, today we could have had 3 goals and 3 points and our superb young gifted winger would have scored one and made two 👍👍👍2 -
Then move him on and get in someone more suited.lancashire lad said:I feel sorry for Stockley, he is being made to play a game for which he is not suited, he tries hard but, except for set piece defending, is quite useless.2 - Sponsored links:
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I get the feeling that will look like a very good point come the end of the season given the performance. Could easily have lost, so the point makes up for the one at least that we deserved and didn't get against Sheff Wed.2
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Seeing that Swansea lost again today and are in the bottom 3, I would suggest Russell Martin needs a Plan B before Swansea bring out Plan P45Callumcafc said:
Must resist urge to post Russell Martin clip.Croydon said:2 weeks running where a lack of a Plan B has been incredibly evident.
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Signing the right striker would take this team up a level or two. Stockley isn’t quick enough and the rest of his game isn’t making up for that weaknesses. A Lyle Taylor type who can hold up the ball, run in behind and drift wide would cause defenders the sort of problems Stockley doesn’t, and that would open up space for other players.
Garner’s said he wants a FB, CB and striker so it’s not as if the club don’t know that. Not long to find out if we give ourselves a chance of solving that problem.
JRS showed again he’s a goalscorer, the way he created space for himself is something you wouldn’t see from our other wide players.
We’ve clearly improved on last season and I’m enjoying the way Garner’s got us playing, but we need those last few signings to be players who really improve the team.
Other negatives were our late subs and another game without being a threat from set pieces.
Now for hopefully a few exciting days on the rumours thread.13 -
Ok nothing to boast about, roughly 99% who post on here fir that bill%SDAddick said:
I think we actually agree on that, at least on the Sandgaards. I think Gallen has proven himself to be valuable. But I would want a person or persons more in touch more with the modern game, and not simply more knowledgeable about football than the Sandgaards because quite frankly, I fit the bill there.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:SDAddick said:
Bring him in in what capacity? He's been out of football for what, a decade now? And when he and Brownie talk about possession football as a concept, you feel the game has passed them by. Brownie obviously far more so than Curbs. But Curbs was part of a generation of managers that are largely out of the game now.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Curbishley talks so much sense.
If Sandgaard had the foresight get him in the fold rather than wasting his spot on acumen on Charlton TV it would likely pay huge dividends.
Has forgotten more about Charlton and football than anyone currently involved in the club has or likely ever will.
I think we need another football person in our "leadership" group, but I don't know that that person is Curbs. I think ideally it would be someone with more ties and familiarity with the modern game, particularly analytics, who can grow with the club.
That might stand up to scrutiny if the current footballing nous supporting Garner from above consisted of more than the 3 Sandgaards and Gallen. Even in his retirement Curbishley would add more value than certainly the first 3 in an advisory capacity in both how to win football matches and run a football club successfully. 0 -
Well that was a painful watch
A bit of a game of two halves really, as while we were worryingly open in the first half and should have come in behind, in the second half we tightened it up and Wycombe then created little.
Not that we created anything either, creatively we were very poor. Ponderous passing and a lack of movement. Other than JRS with a few moments of individual brilliance, and Dobson with a very "Dobsonish" second half performance, none of the outfield players especially impressed. Stockley in this system just doesn't work, Wycombe's centre backs completely dominated him.
And I thought Garner was strangely passive with his subs today too; on a warm day and a very physical battle, it was odd to only make 3 subs and make them so late when so many players were off the boil and tired.2 -
Yes it's like Tesco down at The Valley though, every penny countsChris_from_Sidcup said:
The fine is nothing though, it's 5k.ForeverAddickted said:
We'll be fined if we make so many changes, with Sandgaard cost cutting I cant see that happening.SDAddick said:
11 new players would be my guess. Maybe 10 if we think McG's price will go down if he's Pizza Cup tied.ross1 said:
Exhausted from Tuesday, what will happen Wednesday?MuttleyCAFC said:They were very average but last 30 minutes, a bit like Sheff Wednesday, We looked tired. Are our fitness coaches worse than Wycombes and Wednesday?
Dont forget something like 5 of the players used, need to have been involved already this season
"7.6 Any EFL Club failing to meet the requirement to play Full Available Strength will be required to pay a fine of up to £5,000."
https://www.efl.com/papa-johns-trophy/the-competition/rules/0 -
I was getting nervous at the end, having predicted a 1-1 draw in the score prediction thread, that one of the teams might spoil it, by actually stringing 3 passes together and scoring, but that never happened.1
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Clem_Snide said:
And they smashed Barnsley away from home last week.SELR_addicks said:
Wycombe have lost to Exeter, Shrewsbury and Bolton already this season.RC_CAFC said:Jesus guys, we’ve just come away from last seasons play off finalists with a well deserved, well earned point.I’m reading a thread that looks like we’ve just lost our 3rd/4th game in row to relegation fodder.
It wasn’t a vintage performance or game but it was great effort against the ultimate football spoilers in the league.
Decision making in the final third definitely wasn’t at its sharpest. And I thought Kirk was just too predictable at times. Needs to show down the line sometimes just to mix his game up.
Don’t bother risking anyone important in the week and give them all a good rest ready for Bolton.
Yeah and they had a kid in goal for their first 4 games who conceded 8 goals from 13 shots on target.1 -
Any chance Barnsley were a bit shit that day……Clem_Snide said:
And they smashed Barnsley away from home last week.SELR_addicks said:
Wycombe have lost to Exeter, Shrewsbury and Bolton already this season.RC_CAFC said:Jesus guys, we’ve just come away from last seasons play off finalists with a well deserved, well earned point.I’m reading a thread that looks like we’ve just lost our 3rd/4th game in row to relegation fodder.
It wasn’t a vintage performance or game but it was great effort against the ultimate football spoilers in the league.
Decision making in the final third definitely wasn’t at its sharpest. And I thought Kirk was just too predictable at times. Needs to show down the line sometimes just to mix his game up.
Don’t bother risking anyone important in the week and give them all a good rest ready for Bolton.2 -
Obviously you did, there was a lot of fans suggesting that we need an experienced CEO & I'm not sure if he was asked by the press though I guess he must of been as he responded in the press with what I said in my post.swordfish said:
Did he? I must have missed that.charltonbob said:
Sandgaard has already said we don't need experienced football people involved as running a football club is easy you just need to be smarter than everybody elseRodneyCharltonTrotta said:Curbishley talks so much sense.
If Sandgaard had the foresight get him in the fold rather than wasting his spot on acumen on Charlton TV it would likely pay huge dividends.
Has forgotten more about Charlton and football than anyone currently involved in the club has or likely ever will.
Anyway who needs Curbs when you have Martin & the wife.
Who were the experienced football people let go to make way for Martin and Raelynn?
Did anybody make way for Martin & the wife ? Do we even know exactly what they do. Why are you suggesting that I even said that we let experienced football people go so that his family could move in ???0 - Sponsored links:
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Well of course Barnsley were shite that day... They got beaten 3-0 - But Wycombe also played really well (as they'd have made Barnsley look shite), as you dont get "lucky" winning by those score linesRaplhMilne said:
Any chance Barnsley were a bit shit that day……Clem_Snide said:
And they smashed Barnsley away from home last week.SELR_addicks said:
Wycombe have lost to Exeter, Shrewsbury and Bolton already this season.RC_CAFC said:Jesus guys, we’ve just come away from last seasons play off finalists with a well deserved, well earned point.I’m reading a thread that looks like we’ve just lost our 3rd/4th game in row to relegation fodder.
It wasn’t a vintage performance or game but it was great effort against the ultimate football spoilers in the league.
Decision making in the final third definitely wasn’t at its sharpest. And I thought Kirk was just too predictable at times. Needs to show down the line sometimes just to mix his game up.
Don’t bother risking anyone important in the week and give them all a good rest ready for Bolton.0 -
might might we have had 3 youngsters on the bench do that they count as Ist team for the Micky mouse cup0
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Just a heads up we’re yet to play anyone in this image. League is starting to take shape and we still haven’t played anyone in the bottom 10.
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Difficult to say if Milton Keynes and Oxford will stay there.JoshAddick said:Just a heads up we’re yet to play anyone in this image. League is starting to take shape and we still haven’t played anyone in the bottom 10.
The rest are the sort of teams who think they're in trouble now, cant see a win coming all season... But then... Wait... Whats that coming over the horizon.
Oh yes... Its the Charlton Charity, providing three points for those poor cases who feel hopeless13 -
So we are better than a team that was in a relegation battle for half the season & that finished 13th.ForeverAddickted said:2022/23 - 8-pts after five games
2021/22 - 6-pts achieved after nine games | 9-pts achieved after eleven games.
Whoppee do.....5 -
Thank God for reminding us, we have a reputation for beating opposition we should be beating. I make it an easy 60 points there! Phew.JoshAddick said:Just a heads up we’re yet to play anyone in this image. League is starting to take shape and we still haven’t played anyone in the bottom 10.2 -
I'm sorry Golfie... I genuinely dont get your point?golfaddick said:
So we are better than a team that was in a relegation battle for half the season & that finished 13th.ForeverAddickted said:2022/23 - 8-pts after five games
2021/22 - 6-pts achieved after nine games | 9-pts achieved after eleven games.
Whoppee do.....
Is it not a good thing that we're doing better than last season.
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golfaddick said:
So we are better than a team that was in a relegation battle for half the season & that finished 13th.ForeverAddickted said:2022/23 - 8-pts after five games
2021/22 - 6-pts achieved after nine games | 9-pts achieved after eleven games.
Whoppee do.....
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Good point. Pleased with our start to the season, dealing with a crazy set of fixtures, a new manager, new system that doesn't quite fit some of the players and with 5 first team injuries. It could've gone terribly wrong but I don't think we've looked second best to anyone.
Thought we did well today considering a number of players were off it. Clayden really struggled with his decision making. Morgan's distribution and set pieces were poor. Stockley offered nothing.
But Dobson was excellent. Rak-Sakyi did some great defensive work as well as some unreal attacking play. Kirk tired badly in the second half but once again created our only goal.
I think this team will only get better and it's been a solid opening so far.
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I actually did not think we was too bad today, I’m quite positive and think we are on the right path and will get better. It’s miles more enjoyable watching then anything last 2 seasons.
thought a draw was a fair result but with this team I do feel like something could happen and a winner is possible. I like the way we look to get something still.
Agree we need another striker as another option I thought stockley looked tired towards the end having chucks to bring on ground 70 mins would be game changing.Dobson and Fraser were brilliant today. Morgan had his worst game of the season today but still better than anything last season and fair play to him he never hid and still wanted to get on the ball.Despite the snippets about needing players out before new ones come in think we will get 2-3 in.8
