I wonder how long TS will tolerate paying Curbs and Brownie to lay in to the team and the way the club is managed. And put up with Garner saying the squad is too weak.
Not for long I shouldn't think, didn't he sack that Brian Jokat feller for telling mrs sandgaard to stop telling him how to do his job ? Good for Curbs & Brownie. Is there anyway of watching the after match comments without subscribing ?
I feel we’re at the point Garner needs to try another formation. Stockley is never going to offer enough as a lone striker and we shouldn’t be expecting Leaburn to play that role week in week out.
He played a form of 4-4-2 on Wednesday and used 3-5-2 in the first half of last season at Swindon so it’s not something he’s against.
We’re relying on Fraser and JRS as our goal threats and need to add more players to that. As well as Stockley not scoring we’re not a threat from set pieces. On top of that we need to tighten up at the back.
The season is far from over but if we’re to overachieve as Garner says and make the playoffs we need to find a way that gets more from this squad.
For TS he’ll also be hoping for a good season for the the younger players to reduce his losses. It could be argued that’s more important to him than a serious promotion challenge. The gap to fund that doesn’t look like something he’ll ever be able to achieve, so why push it too hard and still not make it? Instead you could blood a few youngsters and sell one or two within a year for millions, reducing your losses and making the club appear more attractive.
Not at game nor did I watch a pirate VPN service so no comment about the match itself. Also wont be posting much this coming week as I've frankly had enough. TS dont care so I wont either.
Suffice to say a half completed squad will only get you so far. I hate being right & hate being slagged off for saying so.....so I'll leave you to fight it out amongst yourselves and ponder how teams like ipswich who actually spend money & recruit properly, can then win away at Accrington (such a hard place to go to I'm told) and go top.
When people finally take off their blinkers & realise that the plan after all was to rely on the youth players & free transfers then we might be able to have a sensible discussion on whether the assembled squad can finish anywhere near the top 6.
Its not Pirate, Golfie, you have to pay. Its not illegal either. Its just the clubs turning a blind eye to an outdated EFL rule.
I keep seeing comments taking a dig at Lifers who are optimistic or have yet to be convinced that we're going nowhere under the current owner, but I'd ask you to consider that they're fellow supporter's and, just because they haven't yet reached THEIR threshold of evidence to come out and openly condemn the owner, it doesn't mean they never will, it doesn't mean they believe in everything he does, it doesn't mean they think he's done nothing wrong and they only want the best for the Club too.
All I've heard is that Sandgaard is now open to selling and there is interest.
I heard this about a month ago from someone who should know. Whether it is to sell completely or looking for someone to invest heavily I don't know. What worries me ( amongst other things ) is the owner saying what style of football he wants us to play, bearing in mind he has absolutely no football background. With TS micro managing everything, his missus involved and his son picking our transfer targets using statistics it's no wonder it's a bloody farce.
BG seems a good bloke but he can only play with the cards he's dealt. We don't have the squad to have multiple playing options and other teams know how to play us. The transfer window was just pathetic.
Well done Ben Garner for basically telling the owner he has fucked things up yet again. Extra like points for Garner
I know people think I'm a happy clapper, but I smiled reading his comments.
Sandgaard has truly fucked me off with the progressively shit handling of everything. Chance after chance...
I so wanted him to be successful, how many chances can you give though? If the murmurings around the club are true, it won't be a problem too much longer.
This. That sums me up as well. I defended Sangaard countless times on here and especially on twitter but i can't any more. He's trying to run the club on the cheap and it won't work.
Baffling why any one would back a total stranger. We knew nothing about this bloke before he turns up.
Yes applaud him into the door, that is respect. But from that point respect has to be earned. Achieve something like promotion or a ground breaking price strategy that gets people flooding back.
TS should not be abused, but to point out his many errors is acceptable. For too long too many supporters have decided to just go with blind faith in someone who knows nothing about our football club.
If you want to idolise someone and get selfies with them go to an old players reunion.
Bit of a weird take on it all.
Don't think I or Beds have ever wanted selfies with Sandgaard. Short memories forget all TS went through to ensure the safety of the club from Farnell.
He earned respect for a lot of the early stuff. He lost a lot of it for the recent stuff. The inbetween is a fantastic and dreadful mix.
Indeed, in their early days we thought Roland and Katrien could get it done - they saved the club, said the right things, onwards and upwards. Then they found out that buying the club was the easy part. Delivering what the fans want is something else.
TS is going down the same delusional route - getting rid of employees who are viewed as disloyal, spending badly, then not spending at all, while believing they have some magic method to deliver promotion while breaking even, and refusing to believe the evidence of their own eyes - it won’t work.
I still want to give TS a chance. His focus on the academy is spot on, but football is a “what have you done for me recently” business. Nobody cares about the academy if the first team is not producing. He really needs to get his head out of his arse.
All I've heard is that Sandgaard is now open to selling and there is interest.
I think the indicators of his wanting out are clear. Dismissing trusted members of staff being part of that. The cost cutting measures are not only designed to save his bank account but also designed to say to any prospective buyer that this is a viable business proposition. Most everybody who knows anything about English football will tell you the opposite is true for all outside the Premiership.
Ok, the positives first. We are conceding a certain type of goal, which means if you can address with coaching you stop conceding so many. The starting point is why are opponents so often free when we have numbers in the box? The other positive is we had some decent chances today. Morgan should have done better with his and Rak Sakyi could have had a hat-trick, although both him and Fraser were excellent. Dobson was for 70 minutes too I thought. Clayden is not the finished article yet but plays on the front foot and is brave and I think he is going to make it going forwards.
The negatives is the goals or lack of them. Morgan won't get more than four, Dobson neither although he is the luxury you have to accept for what else he brings. The defence doesn't look like chipping in with more than 7. With these genorous expectations, I expect we will need about 45 to 50 from our front three to be anywhere near the top six. How the hell can anybody make a case for that happening? Stockley is a more than decent League One striker but the system doesn't suit him as he is too isolated and he can't use his attributes effectively. But what is the alternative? I would say playing one wing back in an unbalanced formation and trying Leaburn and Stockley up front but it may not work and what about when one gets injured?
If only he'd said this before the season started I could have saved myself £500 & not bought a season ticket. This season is a write off already...... and that's not me saying it, that's the manager !!
2 more windows needed eh ? So that's January & next summer. What's magically going to change that in a years time we have a squad good enough to challenge the top 6 ? Are we expecting Gomez to be sold & we get a few million to spend on new players, because the way the recruitment is going we aren't getting promoted with a few frees from League 2 & a smattering of U21's.
Can't see anything changing over the next 2 transfer windows I'm afraid. Just more of the same.
Both Duchatelet and Sandgaard have fallen headlong into the trap that football is just like any other business and that they are clever enough to get it right when just about everyone else is making a mess of it.
It is an expensive lesson to find out that football is NOT just like any other business. In fact football is about sport and about community.
We are fans not customers - and with that comes both pros and cons. Yes we feel a sense of ownership. Yes we are emotional. Yes we are fickle. It’s because we care deeply. “Here before you and long after you’re gone” says it all.
I don't buy the idea that we can wait another 2 windows anyway. This summer was our 5th transfer window in L1, whereas Bolton were newly promoted last summer.
Poor from the players and management today. Within 10 mins you could see that 4-3-3 was struggling against the Bolton 3-5-2. We gave their fullbacks almost free reign to bomb on and left our own flanks completely exposed.
Bolton bullied us today and that midfield was far too light weight to wrestle any sort of grip on the game.
Constantly gave the ball away cheaply and the Bolton press left the back four ina complete mess when trying to play out.
Won't slate Stockley as there is nothing wrong with his work rate. He is getting zero service and clearly isn't suited to this formation.
Positives - Fraser looking good again, JRS was bright despite having little support and O'Connell did his best to hold a crumbling defence together.
Negatives - the back 4 looked like rabbits in headlights with the ball at their feet. We are conceding similar goals week in week out - little pressure in wide areas and then players unmarked 7/8 yards out. Morgan is regressing to the Morgan we see for 80% of the time and Kirk completely vanished.
IMO we need some energy in midfield and as such I'd get Payne in as quickly as possible. Hopefully CBT will be fit for Exeter and I would rotate him for Kirk. Don't really understand not having DJ on the bench. He can cover a number of positions and would have been coming off of the back of a decent display in the week.
Certainly not panicking and inspite of all the negatives we still put some decent moves together and on another day JRS would have had a couple of goals. Garner needs to work out how we are going to play against the teams who are looking to bully us. Simply sticking to 4-3-3 and making like for like changes is not really the way to go about it.
Hopefully Exeter and FGR will be a bit more suited to our style of play.
Well done Ben Garner for basically telling the owner he has fucked things up yet again. Extra like points for Garner
I know people think I'm a happy clapper, but I smiled reading his comments.
Sandgaard has truly fucked me off with the progressively shit handling of everything. Chance after chance...
I so wanted him to be successful, how many chances can you give though? If the murmurings around the club are true, it won't be a problem too much longer.
Dear happy clapper, what are the murmurings that you are hearing ?
Expect there's half a dozen posts before mine asking the same question. I'm always playing catch up :-( Thanks
just before Morgan was subbed we had quite a good move happening, the ball got to him and he could have put someone through, forget who, but instead put the ball in the top of the stand from a 'shot', then he jogged off grinning-is he not taking this seriously?
Second game I've done this season but we looked much less in control than the first (Accrington) - some of that is Bolton being a step up but otherwise I thought a number of elements were below par.
Central defence was shaky. Clayden gave it his all but the fact he isn't a left back was exposed. I thought the midfield got strangled and Morgan especially struggled to assert himself. Up top, JRS was the best player we had (but should've scored), Kirk was not involved enough and I'm not sure I've got really any words to say about Stockley so will leave it there.
All 3 goals we conceded were poor, albeit doesn't help that the linesman can't see the fella punching it in when it was blatantly obvious from the upper tier.
I think Garner should have changed it earlier today - both in personnel and the formation. Bolton were just dinking diagonals over the top and forcing 1v1's all game.
All in all we got totally outperformed by a team who I think will make the top 6 comfortably despite a slow start. We are at least 3 starting players off being a good team - one of them (Sessegnon) is injured but as we all know we needed a starting centre half and a starting central striker, and we chose not to even bring in squad fillers for those roles let alone the premium quality we needed.
We will struggle to be anything other than a middle of the road team who sprays the ball around quite well for isolated periods (like we did today). Big reality check required from our positive start.
I just hope we can hang on to Garner and give him the time and tools he needs to take us forwards eventually. I really want his philosophy to work and God knows we can't change manager again.
just before Morgan was subbed we had quite a good move happening, the ball got to him and he could have put someone through, forget who, but instead put the ball in the top of the stand from a 'shot', then he jogged off grinning-is he not taking this seriously?
I didnt see him grinning at all. I’m as unhappy as everyone else, but lets not make shit up, there’s quite enough of the real thing to process.
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Why are you front of my PC?
I watch almost every game. It's a 150 mile round trip to go to games yet I still make 5-10 a season.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/we-gave-bolton-wanderers-their-three-goals-charlton-manager-ben-garners-frank-assessment-of-defeat/
He played a form of 4-4-2 on Wednesday and used 3-5-2 in the first half of last season at Swindon so it’s not something he’s against.
We’re relying on Fraser and JRS as our goal threats and need to add more players to that. As well as Stockley not scoring we’re not a threat from set pieces. On top of that we need to tighten up at the back.
The season is far from over but if we’re to overachieve as Garner says and make the playoffs we need to find a way that gets more from this squad.
I heard this about a month ago from someone who should know. Whether it is to sell completely or looking for someone to invest heavily I don't know. What worries me ( amongst other things ) is the owner saying what style of football he wants us to play, bearing in mind he has absolutely no football background. With TS micro managing everything, his missus involved and his son picking our transfer targets using statistics it's no wonder it's a bloody farce.
The negatives is the goals or lack of them. Morgan won't get more than four, Dobson neither although he is the luxury you have to accept for what else he brings. The defence doesn't look like chipping in with more than 7. With these genorous expectations, I expect we will need about 45 to 50 from our front three to be anywhere near the top six. How the hell can anybody make a case for that happening? Stockley is a more than decent League One striker but the system doesn't suit him as he is too isolated and he can't use his attributes effectively. But what is the alternative? I would say playing one wing back in an unbalanced formation and trying Leaburn and Stockley up front but it may not work and what about when one gets injured?
2 more windows needed eh ? So that's January & next summer. What's magically going to change that in a years time we have a squad good enough to challenge the top 6 ? Are we expecting Gomez to be sold & we get a few million to spend on new players, because the way the recruitment is going we aren't getting promoted with a few frees from League 2 & a smattering of U21's.
Can't see anything changing over the next 2 transfer windows I'm afraid. Just more of the same.
We are fans not customers - and with that comes both pros and cons. Yes we feel a sense of ownership. Yes we are emotional. Yes we are fickle. It’s because we care deeply. “Here before you and long after you’re gone” says it all.
Enthusiasm levels waning
No money to spend
Not sure if that’s me or Ben Garner
Bolton bullied us today and that midfield was far too light weight to wrestle any sort of grip on the game.
Constantly gave the ball away cheaply and the Bolton press left the back four ina complete mess when trying to play out.
Won't slate Stockley as there is nothing wrong with his work rate. He is getting zero service and clearly isn't suited to this formation.
Positives - Fraser looking good again, JRS was bright despite having little support and O'Connell did his best to hold a crumbling defence together.
Negatives - the back 4 looked like rabbits in headlights with the ball at their feet. We are conceding similar goals week in week out - little pressure in wide areas and then players unmarked 7/8 yards out. Morgan is regressing to the Morgan we see for 80% of the time and Kirk completely vanished.
IMO we need some energy in midfield and as such I'd get Payne in as quickly as possible. Hopefully CBT will be fit for Exeter and I would rotate him for Kirk. Don't really understand not having DJ on the bench. He can cover a number of positions and would have been coming off of the back of a decent display in the week.
Certainly not panicking and inspite of all the negatives we still put some decent moves together and on another day JRS would have had a couple of goals. Garner needs to work out how we are going to play against the teams who are looking to bully us. Simply sticking to 4-3-3 and making like for like changes is not really the way to go about it.
Hopefully Exeter and FGR will be a bit more suited to our style of play.
Expect there's half a dozen posts before mine asking the same question. I'm always playing catch up :-(
Thanks
Central defence was shaky. Clayden gave it his all but the fact he isn't a left back was exposed. I thought the midfield got strangled and Morgan especially struggled to assert himself. Up top, JRS was the best player we had (but should've scored), Kirk was not involved enough and I'm not sure I've got really any words to say about Stockley so will leave it there.
All 3 goals we conceded were poor, albeit doesn't help that the linesman can't see the fella punching it in when it was blatantly obvious from the upper tier.
I think Garner should have changed it earlier today - both in personnel and the formation. Bolton were just dinking diagonals over the top and forcing 1v1's all game.
All in all we got totally outperformed by a team who I think will make the top 6 comfortably despite a slow start. We are at least 3 starting players off being a good team - one of them (Sessegnon) is injured but as we all know we needed a starting centre half and a starting central striker, and we chose not to even bring in squad fillers for those roles let alone the premium quality we needed.
We will struggle to be anything other than a middle of the road team who sprays the ball around quite well for isolated periods (like we did today). Big reality check required from our positive start.
I just hope we can hang on to Garner and give him the time and tools he needs to take us forwards eventually. I really want his philosophy to work and God knows we can't change manager again.