Attention: Please take a moment to consider our terms and conditions before posting.
Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Oxford United | Saturday 1st October 2022 - 3pm KO
Comments
-
TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.
0 -
Fortune 82nd Minute said:Cafc43v3r said:thetomahawkkid said:The first half was absolutely awful. We looked like a team of strangers. I don't know what Garner was thinking sending the team out set up like that. Marginal improvement in the second half, but still not great. We deserved something from the game and got it, but not a great game to watch!
I know garner was sold short in the transfer window, but I am starting to think that he was very over-hyped. I hadn't heard of him before and I am not at all impressed so far. Tippy-tappy football is all well and good, but if you can only do it in two thirds of the pitch (not the front third where it matters) then it is pointless. I know it is still early days, butI think Garner is out of his depth and hasn't got a clue how to get the best out of the squad of players he has, as evidenced by the formation in the first half.
Any ambitions for promotion seem well and truly gone already, barring a miracle. Where this leaves TS, I don't know, but worrying times.
We need 6 defensive players to keep a clean sheet and 6 attacking players to score two goals.
I wouldn't even say the players, individually, are that bad. There is just no way of getting 10 on the pitch, in any formation, or system, that will score more than they concede, regularly.
0 -
Seeing most games now are producing the same frustration just in guise of different team selection and which half is crap and which was a slight improvement on crap.
Here is a positive.
Teams that are newly promoted from Div 2 look to hold their own and stay out of the relegation zone, they would be positive with that. Considering most of our new signings have come up from Div 2, 'we are holding our own' and not in the bottom 4.1 -
ken_shabby said:DOUCHER said:Callumcafc said:Hartleypete said:SELR_addicks said:Think anyone slagging off Garner for this season has picked up all the wrong signals from the past 5 or so years.
When every single manager we try can't get a squad to play above mid-tier League One football. The problem is elsewhere.
Second half was better and we did look defensively at least less open. Lavelle was hopeless first half and Payne is not a wide man, did they even practice that formation as it looked like it was slung together 10 minutes before kick off.
Please Garner 4 fucking 4 fucking 2 and give us a chance of winning.I thought it would be weird if going to a more “open formation” in 4-4-2 would’ve actually made us more solid so I had to check the stats.Oxford had more shots in the second half than they did in the first. They didn’t have a single shot from inside the penalty area in the first half, they had four of them in the second half.
Oxford enjoyed more attacking opportunities against us after the formation change. It only felt better to us fans because in the first half we offered zero ourselves.
When in fact the first half was a 45 minutes of effectively complete nothing from both sides, aside from one long range strike.
Seems such a simple concept.7 -
Airman Brown said:DOUCHER said:SELR_addicks said:DOUCHER said:Garner is partly culpable here and remains on the register of those not seeing at least another striker as being absolutely THE critical signing - he signed lots of other players but didn’t sign THE player most needed - we had many on here who saw a centre half it left back as more critical but for a professional to not push that signing through forcefully is beyond belief
He didn't make those decisions. He wanted a striker and wasn't given one.
As I've been saying for years & years.2 -
Phil said:NabySarr said:Phil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.0
-
We need to sort the defensive issues out and the results will come. Our fanbase seems obsessed with Sandgaard at the moment but we need to be looking at Garner and the coaching team. I'm satisfied with our attacking play tbh, can obviously still improve but we are scoring in every game and our defence is costing us and should and can be better. 1 clean sheet this season. The top 6 teams all have 4-6, which is why they win games and we keep drawing them.2
-
golfaddick said:Airman Brown said:DOUCHER said:SELR_addicks said:DOUCHER said:Garner is partly culpable here and remains on the register of those not seeing at least another striker as being absolutely THE critical signing - he signed lots of other players but didn’t sign THE player most needed - we had many on here who saw a centre half it left back as more critical but for a professional to not push that signing through forcefully is beyond belief
He didn't make those decisions. He wanted a striker and wasn't given one.
As I've been saying for years & years.0 -
Bailey said:Phil said:NabySarr said:Phil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..
3 -
RonnieMoore said:Bailey said:Phil said:NabySarr said:Phil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..3 - Sponsored links:
-
Leuth said:TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.I really don't want to hear how well training went... it's a results business. He needs to get them to listen and not keep
messing around desperately playing player roulette.3 -
BR7_addick said:Closest effort first half was my dad’s attempt at the crossbar challenge!
1 -
bolloxbolder said:RonnieMoore said:Bailey said:Phil said:NabySarr said:Phil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..4 -
DOUCHER said:bolloxbolder said:RonnieMoore said:Bailey said:Phil said:NabySarr said:Phil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..
It's a shame that Stockley is SO limited that we have to change the entire system just to suit him, and lose a midfield/defensive player to give him support.2 -
I wouldn't rule us out of giving relegation a good go. Bound to have a injury crisis at some point0
-
golfaddick said:Airman Brown said:DOUCHER said:SELR_addicks said:DOUCHER said:Garner is partly culpable here and remains on the register of those not seeing at least another striker as being absolutely THE critical signing - he signed lots of other players but didn’t sign THE player most needed - we had many on here who saw a centre half it left back as more critical but for a professional to not push that signing through forcefully is beyond belief
He didn't make those decisions. He wanted a striker and wasn't given one.
As I've been saying for years & years.1 -
Squad just not good enough at this level to make any sort of promotion challenge. Just hoping they are good enough to avoid the bottom 4.
But it's looking shaky, 3 points above relegation and 4 teams below have a game in hand.1 -
JamesSeed said:Manic_mania said:went over with 2 work colleagues who are NOT Charlton fans (Prem league armchair fans as a rule), their perspective - first half was appalling - second half we should have won it. The ref was very inconsistent (not a shock to me but it was to them)
The half time food did NOT go over well - (again, I warned them lol) and pre-poured slightly warm john smiths ended up in the bin haha
One thing that really struck me, when we played a poor pass, or a bad passage of play, they were baffled that we really got on the players cases - I remember saying after a bad few minutes saying to them ,"oh we have a song for that" and right on que...
Either way, we didn't get beat, and something they both said is they enjoyed the atmosphere and both want to come back, we are already planning the next one - must be sadists or not quite right in the head lol
1 -
Scott Fraser is so slow he'd have trouble turning Harry Maguire.2
-
Leuth said:TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.1
- Sponsored links:
-
Jac_52 said:We need to sort the defensive issues out and the results will come. Our fanbase seems obsessed with Sandgaard at the moment but we need to be looking at Garner and the coaching team. I'm satisfied with our attacking play tbh, can obviously still improve but we are scoring in every game and our defence is costing us and should and can be better. 1 clean sheet this season. The top 6 teams all have 4-6, which is why they win games and we keep drawing them.2
-
Chunes said:DOUCHER said:bolloxbolder said:RonnieMoore said:Bailey said:Phil said:NabySarr said:Phil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..
It's a shame that Stockley is SO limited that we have to change the entire system just to suit him, and lose a midfield/defensive player to give him support.0 -
Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.
3 -
mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.13 -
Chunes said:mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.1 -
Leuth said:TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.6
-
Chunes said:mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.
Neither, Kirk, CBT, Riki-Saki, Payne or Fraser offer much in the way of tackling or defending and Morgan isn't much better. For the second half on Saturday we were totally dependent on Dobson to protect our dodgy central defence in a very stretched 4-2-4 set up.
How about putting Clare, Dobson and Fraser in central midfield with Kirk (or Riki-Saki) out wide and Leaburn and Stockley up front or use Riki=Saki as an alternative central striker?
2 -
Chunes said:mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.6 -
grumpyaddick said:Chunes said:mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.
Neither, Kirk, CBT, Riki-Saki, Payne or Fraser offer much in the way of tackling or defending and Morgan isn't much better. For the second half on Saturday we were totally dependent on Dobson to protect our dodgy central defence in a very stretched 4-2-4 set up.
How about putting Clare, Dobson and Fraser in central midfield with Kirk (or Riki-Saki) out wide and Leaburn and Stockley up front or use Riki=Saki as an alternative central striker?
I like the idea of using a CM as a winger in a 442, as Curbs used to do with Graham Stuart.0