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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Oxford United | Saturday 1st October 2022 - 3pm KO
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Garner said after the game how frustrated he was that we weren't passing forward, taking some risks to break the lines.TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.
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Only if 5 of them are oppo players.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
If we can field 12 players in total I think we might be in with a chance !Cafc43v3r said:
It doesn't matter what way you set them up, the formation or the tactics employed.thetomahawkkid said:The first half was absolutely awful. We looked like a team of strangers. I don't know what Garner was thinking sending the team out set up like that. Marginal improvement in the second half, but still not great. We deserved something from the game and got it, but not a great game to watch!
I know garner was sold short in the transfer window, but I am starting to think that he was very over-hyped. I hadn't heard of him before and I am not at all impressed so far. Tippy-tappy football is all well and good, but if you can only do it in two thirds of the pitch (not the front third where it matters) then it is pointless. I know it is still early days, butI think Garner is out of his depth and hasn't got a clue how to get the best out of the squad of players he has, as evidenced by the formation in the first half.
Any ambitions for promotion seem well and truly gone already, barring a miracle. Where this leaves TS, I don't know, but worrying times.
We need 6 defensive players to keep a clean sheet and 6 attacking players to score two goals.
I wouldn't even say the players, individually, are that bad. There is just no way of getting 10 on the pitch, in any formation, or system, that will score more than they concede, regularly.
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Seeing most games now are producing the same frustration just in guise of different team selection and which half is crap and which was a slight improvement on crap.
Here is a positive.
Teams that are newly promoted from Div 2 look to hold their own and stay out of the relegation zone, they would be positive with that. Considering most of our new signings have come up from Div 2, 'we are holding our own' and not in the bottom 4.1 -
@jimmymelrose was over from France & first time he has seen us this season (live or on tv) and said the players just weren't running into space & therefore not giving the man with the ball any options. First half Payne had to scream at Fraser (?) to move into space & second half Egbo was telling JRS to go forward dso he could play him the ball.ken_shabby said:
That annoyed me. Going forward, options to try and get in among their defence, and in three passes, we had the ball back over the halfway line and our back four were playing it around with the entire Oxford team between them and the goal. We did the same all over the pitch, occasionally avoiding the chance to play a winger in and counter attack to play a safe ball to a Charlton player in a nowhere situation, and then lose possession anyway. Points to a huge lack of confidence.DOUCHER said:
the football is so frustrating and feels so unnatural its painful to watch - i had lots of new faces with me - friends who came to watch our friends boy who was playing for oxford and they all said the same - the turning back and going round the defence with the ball even when in decent positions to go forwards just wasn't right and having no pace up top meant the defence could push up and close down (refuse to say press!!!) what we were trying to do with no fear of the through ball - basic, basic stuffCallumcafc said:Hartleypete said:
Understand what your saying but that first half set up was so disjointed and open defensively I was starting to wonder how a team could be so badly coached.SELR_addicks said:Think anyone slagging off Garner for this season has picked up all the wrong signals from the past 5 or so years.
When every single manager we try can't get a squad to play above mid-tier League One football. The problem is elsewhere.
Second half was better and we did look defensively at least less open. Lavelle was hopeless first half and Payne is not a wide man, did they even practice that formation as it looked like it was slung together 10 minutes before kick off.
Please Garner 4 fucking 4 fucking 2 and give us a chance of winning.I thought it would be weird if going to a more “open formation” in 4-4-2 would’ve actually made us more solid so I had to check the stats.Oxford had more shots in the second half than they did in the first. They didn’t have a single shot from inside the penalty area in the first half, they had four of them in the second half.
Oxford enjoyed more attacking opportunities against us after the formation change. It only felt better to us fans because in the first half we offered zero ourselves.
When in fact the first half was a 45 minutes of effectively complete nothing from both sides, aside from one long range strike.
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And why are they pricier? Because they score goals, which win you games which get you promoted.Airman Brown said:
He was well placed to know how cheap their wages were, which will have been a big positive for Sandgaard. Strikers tend to be pricier.DOUCHER said:
How do you know that ? He got a lot of other players that he clearly wanted - many that had connections to himSELR_addicks said:
You actually think Garner is the single person in charge of recruitment?DOUCHER said:Garner is partly culpable here and remains on the register of those not seeing at least another striker as being absolutely THE critical signing - he signed lots of other players but didn’t sign THE player most needed - we had many on here who saw a centre half it left back as more critical but for a professional to not push that signing through forcefully is beyond belief
He didn't make those decisions. He wanted a striker and wasn't given one.
As I've been saying for years & years.2 -
You have every right to be worried, look at the two areas where we are short of numbers and quality, forwards and centre backs, recipe for disaster.Phil said:
Obviously I hope you’re right NS but our current form has me very worried.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there’s much danger of that this season. But if Sandgaard carries on with his aim of trying to break even at this level then we will probably end up getting relegated eventuallyPhil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.0 -
We need to sort the defensive issues out and the results will come. Our fanbase seems obsessed with Sandgaard at the moment but we need to be looking at Garner and the coaching team. I'm satisfied with our attacking play tbh, can obviously still improve but we are scoring in every game and our defence is costing us and should and can be better. 1 clean sheet this season. The top 6 teams all have 4-6, which is why they win games and we keep drawing them.2
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You sure have.golfaddick said:
And why are they pricier? Because they score goals, which win you games which get you promoted.Airman Brown said:
He was well placed to know how cheap their wages were, which will have been a big positive for Sandgaard. Strikers tend to be pricier.DOUCHER said:
How do you know that ? He got a lot of other players that he clearly wanted - many that had connections to himSELR_addicks said:
You actually think Garner is the single person in charge of recruitment?DOUCHER said:Garner is partly culpable here and remains on the register of those not seeing at least another striker as being absolutely THE critical signing - he signed lots of other players but didn’t sign THE player most needed - we had many on here who saw a centre half it left back as more critical but for a professional to not push that signing through forcefully is beyond belief
He didn't make those decisions. He wanted a striker and wasn't given one.
As I've been saying for years & years.
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We are not far off from getting it like we did at the start of the season .. football is about fine lines between success and failure .. we played 11 games lost only 3 .. the three we lost, everyone said we out played Sheff Wed and deserved to win , Bolton hand ball goal and a bad miss from Raki key moments , again at Barnsley their own fans booed them off because we were the better side first half again a 40 yarder could have gone anywhere and more individual errors through missed chances fromBailey said:
You have every right to be worried, look at the two areas where we are short of numbers and quality, forwards and centre backs, recipe for disaster.Phil said:
Obviously I hope you’re right NS but our current form has me very worried.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there’s much danger of that this season. But if Sandgaard carries on with his aim of trying to break even at this level then we will probably end up getting relegated eventuallyPhil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..
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Deluded as usual. We are nearer relegation fodder imo.RonnieMoore said:
We are not far off from getting it like we did at the start of the season .. football is about fine lines between success and failure .. we played 11 games lost only 3 .. the three we lost, everyone said we out played Sheff Wed and deserved to win , Bolton hand ball goal and a bad miss from Raki key moments , again at Barnsley their own fans booed them off because we were the better side first half again a 40 yarder could have gone anywhere and more individual errors through missed chances fromBailey said:
You have every right to be worried, look at the two areas where we are short of numbers and quality, forwards and centre backs, recipe for disaster.Phil said:
Obviously I hope you’re right NS but our current form has me very worried.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there’s much danger of that this season. But if Sandgaard carries on with his aim of trying to break even at this level then we will probably end up getting relegated eventuallyPhil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..3 - Sponsored links:
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Time he kicked some arses then before he gets his kicked out of the Valley.Leuth said:
Garner said after the game how frustrated he was that we weren't passing forward, taking some risks to break the lines.TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.I really don't want to hear how well training went... it's a results business. He needs to get them to listen and not keep
messing around desperately playing player roulette.3 -
Indeed. Great effort by Bill and lovely to see grandson Jack enjoying being on the pitch with you both.BR7_addick said:Closest effort first half was my dad’s attempt at the crossbar challenge!
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i disagree - i think we do have some talent in this squad but playing stockley up top on his own is killing us - actually think if we play 2 up top we will start to get resultsbolloxbolder said:
Deluded as usual. We are nearer relegation fodder imo.RonnieMoore said:
We are not far off from getting it like we did at the start of the season .. football is about fine lines between success and failure .. we played 11 games lost only 3 .. the three we lost, everyone said we out played Sheff Wed and deserved to win , Bolton hand ball goal and a bad miss from Raki key moments , again at Barnsley their own fans booed them off because we were the better side first half again a 40 yarder could have gone anywhere and more individual errors through missed chances fromBailey said:
You have every right to be worried, look at the two areas where we are short of numbers and quality, forwards and centre backs, recipe for disaster.Phil said:
Obviously I hope you’re right NS but our current form has me very worried.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there’s much danger of that this season. But if Sandgaard carries on with his aim of trying to break even at this level then we will probably end up getting relegated eventuallyPhil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..4 -
But that's not what's making us concede in every game. I think we're equally weak in defense and up top at the moment.DOUCHER said:
i disagree - i think we do have some talent in this squad but playing stockley up top on his own is killing us - actually think if we play 2 up top we will start to get resultsbolloxbolder said:
Deluded as usual. We are nearer relegation fodder imo.RonnieMoore said:
We are not far off from getting it like we did at the start of the season .. football is about fine lines between success and failure .. we played 11 games lost only 3 .. the three we lost, everyone said we out played Sheff Wed and deserved to win , Bolton hand ball goal and a bad miss from Raki key moments , again at Barnsley their own fans booed them off because we were the better side first half again a 40 yarder could have gone anywhere and more individual errors through missed chances fromBailey said:
You have every right to be worried, look at the two areas where we are short of numbers and quality, forwards and centre backs, recipe for disaster.Phil said:
Obviously I hope you’re right NS but our current form has me very worried.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there’s much danger of that this season. But if Sandgaard carries on with his aim of trying to break even at this level then we will probably end up getting relegated eventuallyPhil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..
It's a shame that Stockley is SO limited that we have to change the entire system just to suit him, and lose a midfield/defensive player to give him support.2 -
I wouldn't rule us out of giving relegation a good go. Bound to have a injury crisis at some point0
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It’s pretty much a given.golfaddick said:
And why are they pricier? Because they score goals, which win you games which get you promoted.Airman Brown said:
He was well placed to know how cheap their wages were, which will have been a big positive for Sandgaard. Strikers tend to be pricier.DOUCHER said:
How do you know that ? He got a lot of other players that he clearly wanted - many that had connections to himSELR_addicks said:
You actually think Garner is the single person in charge of recruitment?DOUCHER said:Garner is partly culpable here and remains on the register of those not seeing at least another striker as being absolutely THE critical signing - he signed lots of other players but didn’t sign THE player most needed - we had many on here who saw a centre half it left back as more critical but for a professional to not push that signing through forcefully is beyond belief
He didn't make those decisions. He wanted a striker and wasn't given one.
As I've been saying for years & years.1 -
Squad just not good enough at this level to make any sort of promotion challenge. Just hoping they are good enough to avoid the bottom 4.
But it's looking shaky, 3 points above relegation and 4 teams below have a game in hand.1 -
Unless they're deriving their enjoyment from watching @Manic_mania suffer, in which case sadists is right.JamesSeed said:
Masochists.Manic_mania said:went over with 2 work colleagues who are NOT Charlton fans (Prem league armchair fans as a rule), their perspective - first half was appalling - second half we should have won it. The ref was very inconsistent (not a shock to me but it was to them)
The half time food did NOT go over well - (again, I warned them lol) and pre-poured slightly warm john smiths ended up in the bin haha
One thing that really struck me, when we played a poor pass, or a bad passage of play, they were baffled that we really got on the players cases - I remember saying after a bad few minutes saying to them ,"oh we have a song for that" and right on que...
Either way, we didn't get beat, and something they both said is they enjoyed the atmosphere and both want to come back, we are already planning the next one - must be sadists or not quite right in the head lol
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Scott Fraser is so slow he'd have trouble turning Harry Maguire.2
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We could all see that's a problem but at least he gets paid to watch it. He should try paying an entrance fee and then see how 'frustrated' he gets.Leuth said:
Garner said after the game how frustrated he was that we weren't passing forward, taking some risks to break the lines.TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.1 - Sponsored links:
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Man City let in 3 yesterday. Pep must quickly sort out their defence or they will get relegated.Jac_52 said:We need to sort the defensive issues out and the results will come. Our fanbase seems obsessed with Sandgaard at the moment but we need to be looking at Garner and the coaching team. I'm satisfied with our attacking play tbh, can obviously still improve but we are scoring in every game and our defence is costing us and should and can be better. 1 clean sheet this season. The top 6 teams all have 4-6, which is why they win games and we keep drawing them.2 -
Defence ain’t perfect but its a team set up to attack - full backs push up etc - it’s not outscoring the opposition that is the bigger problemChunes said:
But that's not what's making us concede in every game. I think we're equally weak in defense and up top at the moment.DOUCHER said:
i disagree - i think we do have some talent in this squad but playing stockley up top on his own is killing us - actually think if we play 2 up top we will start to get resultsbolloxbolder said:
Deluded as usual. We are nearer relegation fodder imo.RonnieMoore said:
We are not far off from getting it like we did at the start of the season .. football is about fine lines between success and failure .. we played 11 games lost only 3 .. the three we lost, everyone said we out played Sheff Wed and deserved to win , Bolton hand ball goal and a bad miss from Raki key moments , again at Barnsley their own fans booed them off because we were the better side first half again a 40 yarder could have gone anywhere and more individual errors through missed chances fromBailey said:
You have every right to be worried, look at the two areas where we are short of numbers and quality, forwards and centre backs, recipe for disaster.Phil said:
Obviously I hope you’re right NS but our current form has me very worried.NabySarr said:
I don’t think there’s much danger of that this season. But if Sandgaard carries on with his aim of trying to break even at this level then we will probably end up getting relegated eventuallyPhil said:Let’s face facts. A better team would have beaten us yesterday. There aren’t too many worse than or as bad as us. Unless Sandgaard sells up or sees sense, invests in the team and does a complete U-turn and listens to experienced football people, we’re going to be relegated.
Raki , Edgo and CBT at ht we should have been 2/3 ahead .. FG at home individual error from the keeper or it would have been 1-0 win .. fast forward till yesterday and Dobson miss again denying us 2-1 win …….. said at the start we are not far away from turning it around and getting the wins to climb back
upto the top 6 .. this league so close like every other season 2/3 wins and your back up there , look at Oxford few years back bottom 6 in late Oct finished one place above us in 6th ..
It's a shame that Stockley is SO limited that we have to change the entire system just to suit him, and lose a midfield/defensive player to give him support.0 -
Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.
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Kirk is the only player we've got who shows any composure to pick out a final ball or a cross under pressure. I hope he plays more. Particularly if we start Leaburn and Stockley up front, his crossing could be a weapon.mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
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It is a shame that he needs to be given the ball in a dangerous area to actually do something with it. He won't do what JRS did to set up the chance in the first place: take on his man with energy and directness. I'm so torn on Kirk tbh. With two big lads on, probably better if he plays. Having our starting LB fit again will helpChunes said:
Kirk is the only player we've got who shows any composure to pick out a final ball or a cross under pressure. I hope he plays more. Particularly if we start Leaburn and Stockley up front, his crossing could be a weapon.mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
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Yet Forster-Caskey is sat on his arse in the stands. He is the player that always looks for those line breaking forward passes. Maybe he wouldn’t start ahead of Dobson and Fraser but to not even have him on the bench is infuriating when there have been multiple games where we’ve been crying out for exactly what he offersLeuth said:
Garner said after the game how frustrated he was that we weren't passing forward, taking some risks to break the lines.TEL said:Keep seeing people say Oxford were shite but they were better than us overall. Confident players running with the ball with no little skill.Our game plan is tedious and predictable and some needs to remind Stewie Garner that the aim is to get the ball in the net at the opposite end.How often do we get a free kick in the opponents half and we pass sideways and backwards until our keeper is forced to punt the ball upfield to where the free kick started as our centre back aren't comfortable in the system. Free kick in the opponents half? Put the ball in towards the box.... that's were the fricking goal is.Not a fan of tippy tappy football especially when played by inadequate players.6 -
I agree but he is very lightweight (useless) defensively so we need to watch the balance.Chunes said:
Kirk is the only player we've got who shows any composure to pick out a final ball or a cross under pressure. I hope he plays more. Particularly if we start Leaburn and Stockley up front, his crossing could be a weapon.mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.
Neither, Kirk, CBT, Riki-Saki, Payne or Fraser offer much in the way of tackling or defending and Morgan isn't much better. For the second half on Saturday we were totally dependent on Dobson to protect our dodgy central defence in a very stretched 4-2-4 set up.
How about putting Clare, Dobson and Fraser in central midfield with Kirk (or Riki-Saki) out wide and Leaburn and Stockley up front or use Riki=Saki as an alternative central striker?
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Garner has been bemoaning lack of end of product for weeks when the answer was right there all along. He should have been starting every game, 1 bad game at Bolton shouldn’t have been enough to drop him. He’s got the quality so we just need to back him (like we have Fraser who has come good) and not drop him out of the squad after 1 bad gameChunes said:
Kirk is the only player we've got who shows any composure to pick out a final ball or a cross under pressure. I hope he plays more. Particularly if we start Leaburn and Stockley up front, his crossing could be a weapon.mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
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So are our centre-backsgrumpyaddick said:
I agree but he is very lightweight (useless) defensively so we need to watch the balance.Chunes said:
Kirk is the only player we've got who shows any composure to pick out a final ball or a cross under pressure. I hope he plays more. Particularly if we start Leaburn and Stockley up front, his crossing could be a weapon.mendonca said:Kirk's cross for our goal showed very good awareness and execution (left foot).
We're just focusing on the negatives now as are pissed off with this league, recruitment, politics and crap beer.
Neither, Kirk, CBT, Riki-Saki, Payne or Fraser offer much in the way of tackling or defending and Morgan isn't much better. For the second half on Saturday we were totally dependent on Dobson to protect our dodgy central defence in a very stretched 4-2-4 set up.
How about putting Clare, Dobson and Fraser in central midfield with Kirk (or Riki-Saki) out wide and Leaburn and Stockley up front or use Riki=Saki as an alternative central striker?
I like the idea of using a CM as a winger in a 442, as Curbs used to do with Graham Stuart.0
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