He's a player who has been effective this season, behind CBT has been our most creative player. No idea why he hasn't got more minutes. The recent system change hurts him big time he's not going to be a wing-back or a centre forward.
I don't think he's been great the past few starts he's had, but he's young etc., and the criticism he gets from the home fans is weird, considering he's a young local lad.
He could play above this level. I don't know how we've managed to drop the ball on this one, tbh.
He can be disappointed with how things have gone under Appleton but he just isn't putting the same level of effort in as before which is unacceptable.
I'm always amazed when people say this. It's not lack of effort, it's lack of confidence. He's a player who is in there to do the unexpected and create something out of nothing but he's not trying things because he doesn't believe he can pull it off and he's nervous of the abuse he'll get from the stands if he gives the ball away. Then as a result he has a poor game and starts making basic mistakes because that nervousness has taken over. I never understand how people look at kids his age who are behaving completely differently on the pitch to how they were when the team and the club as a whole was a happier place to be and just think 'yeah, he's not trying'.
He can be disappointed with how things have gone under Appleton but he just isn't putting the same level of effort in as before which is unacceptable.
I'm always amazed when people say this. It's not lack of effort, it's lack of confidence. He's a player who is in there to do the unexpected and create something out of nothing but he's not trying things because he doesn't believe he can pull it off and he's nervous of the abuse he'll get from the stands if he gives the ball away. Then as a result he has a poor game and starts making basic mistakes because that nervousness has taken over. I never understand how people look at kids his age who are behaving completely differently on the pitch to how they were when the team and the club as a whole was a happier place to be and just think 'yeah, he's not trying'.
not tracking back and walking around is lack of confidence?
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
He can be disappointed with how things have gone under Appleton but he just isn't putting the same level of effort in as before which is unacceptable.
I'm always amazed when people say this. It's not lack of effort, it's lack of confidence. He's a player who is in there to do the unexpected and create something out of nothing but he's not trying things because he doesn't believe he can pull it off and he's nervous of the abuse he'll get from the stands if he gives the ball away. Then as a result he has a poor game and starts making basic mistakes because that nervousness has taken over. I never understand how people look at kids his age who are behaving completely differently on the pitch to how they were when the team and the club as a whole was a happier place to be and just think 'yeah, he's not trying'.
not tracking back and walking around is lack of confidence?
"walking around" is such a weird thing fans say. Players aren't running all the time. What do you want them to do? Run on the spot?
I read somewhere that last season Campbell and Rak Sakyi were best buddies in training. Rak Sakyi was always doing everything to boost Campbells confidence. This season Campbell looks lost. Too many games too soon with too much pressure on him. That's why I think that he has gone backwards. Like all young players they have to be nurtured.
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
Who's to blame then? Why don't these younger players thrive us? Are we putting to much pressure on them? Are we quick to put them down?
He's been badly managed/coached - "we" the fans don't decide to bring him on as a wing back late in a game when we're down to 10 men and we know he's not strong defensively.
Tough as it might be for some to hear, but he's been lazy all season. Bolton at home he pulled out of multiple challenges, it was bizarre at the time and it hasn't got any better. I could forgive it more if his output was much better, but he's been out of form/ low on confidence for a while now.
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
Who's to blame then? Why don't these younger players thrive us? Are we putting to much pressure on them? Are we quick to put them down?
He's been badly managed/coached - "we" the fans don't decide to bring him on as a wing back late in a game when we're down to 10 men and we know he's not strong defensively.
Not sure the last 2 games have decided if he going to sign a new deal or not
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
Who's to blame then? Why don't these younger players thrive us? Are we putting to much pressure on them? Are we quick to put them down?
Appleton in the first instance, constantly playing him in different positions and formations.
Holden also moved him about but got much more out of TC. It's no coincidence that his best performances all came early in the season, often off the bench.
But also the club for not providing a transition one to one coach/mentor (they are said to be about to or have done this) to help young players cope with the step up and the directors for not building a balanced, fit squad leading too young players get over used, too many U21s in the first time squad at the same time so burning them out.
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
Who's to blame then? Why don't these younger players thrive us? Are we putting to much pressure on them? Are we quick to put them down?
He's been badly managed/coached - "we" the fans don't decide to bring him on as a wing back late in a game when we're down to 10 men and we know he's not strong defensively.
Not sure the last 2 games have decided if he going to sign a new deal or not
Its not just the last 2 games - I just used that as an example - he's clearly lost confidence and it's the manager who should address that (then again he may be the cause of his loss of form/confidence).
Got potential but again last night so poor no final ball and far too lightweight …and can’t defend time to let him go and see if he can rebuild his career in league two
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
Who's to blame then? Why don't these younger players thrive us? Are we putting to much pressure on them? Are we quick to put them down?
The fans are not blameless but the club is patently not functioning. Appleton has taken him backwards massively. The board has not picked the right manager and not set the squad up for success. The SMT has cocked up massively and if at the end of the season we have Campbell, Kanu and Elerwere all walk away then this SMT have failed to even match TS achievements as for all his patheticness he managed to always get the kids signed up. The SMT need to spend less time leaking bullshit to fans and more time doing their jobs properly and running us competently.
I can’t believe people are defending the kid. No matter how poor a manager you have, effort is a personal responsibility if you want to be a professional. Just one example, two minutes after coming on as a wingback, the opposition had a dangerous counter attack. Edmonds Green slowed the progress of the counter. Campbell was nowhere to be seen and when he finally did track back, he just slowly jogged into the defensive zone - he didn’t try to challenge for the ball. When the opposing fullback overlapped on the outside, he didn’t even try to cover for him. He was literally just standing in place doing nothing. This is just one instance. Similar situations like this happened multiple times this season. As bad as Appleton was, you can’t blame him for what is a clear lack of effort
Tough as it might be for some to hear, but he's been lazy all season. Bolton at home he pulled out of multiple challenges, it was bizarre at the time and it hasn't got any better. I could forgive it more if his output was much better, but he's been out of form/ low on confidence for a while now.
Completely disagree. He lacks a bit of quality at times, but he’s never lazy. He runs up and down all game. Our fans in the ground have been so quick to turn on him after an error. I hear it in the covered end so often, a bad pass and every slates him.
I can’t believe people are defending the kid. No matter how poor a manager you have, effort is a personal responsibility if you want to be a professional. Just one example, two minutes after coming on as a wingback, the opposition had a dangerous counter attack. Edmonds Green slowed the progress of the counter. Campbell was nowhere to be seen and when he finally did track back, he just slowly jogged into the defensive zone - he didn’t try to challenge for the ball. When the opposing fullback overlapped on the outside, he didn’t even try to cover for him. He was literally just standing in place doing nothing. This is just one instance. Similar situations like this happened multiple times this season. As bad as Appleton was, you can’t blame him for what is a clear lack of effort
Right, and what were TC's instructions from Appleton exactly? If I was in last chance saloon, win or you are sacked and was drawing 2-2 with 10mins or whatever it was to go when TC came on then if I was manager I would probably say, go get a goal or assist, don't worry about defending or tracking back, stay high up the pitch. Apples had nothing to win with a draw he needed a win, he would have rolled the dice. So let's imagine he tells TC that. Then the fans give TC a kicking as he hasn't tracked back...
I can’t believe people are defending the kid. No matter how poor a manager you have, effort is a personal responsibility if you want to be a professional. Just one example, two minutes after coming on as a wingback, the opposition had a dangerous counter attack. Edmonds Green slowed the progress of the counter. Campbell was nowhere to be seen and when he finally did track back, he just slowly jogged into the defensive zone - he didn’t try to challenge for the ball. When the opposing fullback overlapped on the outside, he didn’t even try to cover for him. He was literally just standing in place doing nothing. This is just one instance. Similar situations like this happened multiple times this season. As bad as Appleton was, you can’t blame him for what is a clear lack of effort
I get what you’re saying, but if you had a teenage son in our first team would you be happy he’s in an environment he can thrive in?
- A club who regularly change manager, all who play different formations and styles
- A club with poor recruitment leading to regularly changing squads and players including youngsters playing out of position
- A club with a poor injury record meaning young players are often thrown in when they’re not ready, or in situations with a lot of pressure on them to perform immediately and consistently
- Fans fed up with year after year of poor results and performances, ready to (understandably) criticise players, managers, coaches and owners
We’re a great club for a young player to get their initial opportunity, but we’re not one where a player can really grow and develop after they’ve broken through.
Once a player is established as being first team level it’s no surprise most of them move on at the first opportunity.
I can’t believe people are defending the kid. No matter how poor a manager you have, effort is a personal responsibility if you want to be a professional. Just one example, two minutes after coming on as a wingback, the opposition had a dangerous counter attack. Edmonds Green slowed the progress of the counter. Campbell was nowhere to be seen and when he finally did track back, he just slowly jogged into the defensive zone - he didn’t try to challenge for the ball. When the opposing fullback overlapped on the outside, he didn’t even try to cover for him. He was literally just standing in place doing nothing. This is just one instance. Similar situations like this happened multiple times this season. As bad as Appleton was, you can’t blame him for what is a clear lack of effort
There in lies the problem. He is just a kid. If he isn’t ready - which I think is the case, then look after him and remove him from the fold. He has been poorly managed imo. We all want to see home grown players wearing the shirt, but leaving kids in the match day squad that is managed by a clueless manager in a struggling team is only ever going to have one outcome - a bad one.
It’s clear that the only one that is ready for 1st team football is Leaburn - and let’s not forget his dad is an ex professional footballer who got dogs abuse in the early days….so Miles is probably mentally tough, the other kids that have been thrown in to this shambles probably aren’t.
Orient on Boxing day crucified him and Asiimwe. Both were subbed on 2nd half, which led them to play in front of our away end - where the atmosphere turned awfully toxic, rightly or wrongly, and they bore the brunt of it, simply as they were playing on that side. Appleton should take full responsilibity here, he threw them both to the lions rather than protect them.
He's been terribly served by Appleton's disengaged witless bungling and TC's confidence is shot A spell out on loan would probably do him better than dropping back to the 21s Too much too soon at the wrong time redolent of Karlan Grant and a few months at Crawley did him just fine.
He can be disappointed with how things have gone under Appleton but he just isn't putting the same level of effort in as before which is unacceptable.
I'm always amazed when people say this. It's not lack of effort, it's lack of confidence. He's a player who is in there to do the unexpected and create something out of nothing but he's not trying things because he doesn't believe he can pull it off and he's nervous of the abuse he'll get from the stands if he gives the ball away. Then as a result he has a poor game and starts making basic mistakes because that nervousness has taken over. I never understand how people look at kids his age who are behaving completely differently on the pitch to how they were when the team and the club as a whole was a happier place to be and just think 'yeah, he's not trying'.
not tracking back and walking around is lack of confidence?
"walking around" is such a weird thing fans say. Players aren't running all the time. What do you want them to do? Run on the spot?
Except it isn't, unless you're being deliberately obtuse. If you've been to any game recently and watched him on the pitch, you'd now exactly what I'm referring to
I can’t believe people are defending the kid. No matter how poor a manager you have, effort is a personal responsibility if you want to be a professional. Just one example, two minutes after coming on as a wingback, the opposition had a dangerous counter attack. Edmonds Green slowed the progress of the counter. Campbell was nowhere to be seen and when he finally did track back, he just slowly jogged into the defensive zone - he didn’t try to challenge for the ball. When the opposing fullback overlapped on the outside, he didn’t even try to cover for him. He was literally just standing in place doing nothing. This is just one instance. Similar situations like this happened multiple times this season. As bad as Appleton was, you can’t blame him for what is a clear lack of effort
There in lies the problem. He is just a kid. If he isn’t ready - which I think is the case, then look after him and remove him from the fold.
The problem moving forward with the 8-8-8 plan is going to increase the use of youngsters who aren't ready and intensify the pressure said lads will be facing. I understand all of this "they are only kids" rhetoric, however like we saw with Rak Sakyi, as much as he was young, he grafted like Dobbo and never shied a tackle, underpinned by having skill beyond any other team mate.
The problem we have is not how young they are, but whether they are good enough.
Appleton pointed out that this team lack the bottle in a battle. He said be braver, how many times. I don't think TC is in the Dobbo or May mould but can learn from pro's of this calibre. Whether he should be learning from being in the first team is immaterial as he is a squad member so gets thrown on. I don't believe that he would make a single match day squad if any of the promotion chasers.
Set aside our loyalties to our youth, if Scott had brought him in from Man City as a January lifeline to save our season and he performed as he does, plenty would be very underwhelmed at what he can bring to improve the first team. If he was replacing anyone in the first 11, we are going nowhere north of 10th spot, this season or next.
I understand the defences for TC, he has shown he is a bright prospect.
However one thing Morgan, Cousins and Fox never did was to stop trying. It is very apparent that he has no confidence to win 1on1's or to cross or shoot, but he doesn't bother to track back. Doesn't push attacks quick enough, I can't remember the last time we saw TC in a full sprint.
It's all a bit weird. For most players his age they'll be busting a gut every time they're on the pitch, especially when a late sub.
I can only assume his attitude has tailed off with his confidence.
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I don't think he's been great the past few starts he's had, but he's young etc., and the criticism he gets from the home fans is weird, considering he's a young local lad.
He could play above this level. I don't know how we've managed to drop the ball on this one, tbh.
Appleton gets, rightly, slated for being a poor manager, coach and motivator but when a young, talented player doesn't thrive under his control we slag off the kid.
If he leaves, and I wouldn't blame him, it will be "he'll be lucky to get a league 2 club" but like Fox, Cousins and now Morgan will thrive elsewhere and some people will wonder why.
Campbell's regression is a glaring example of how badly this club is fucking up but it's all his fault.
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Holden also moved him about but got much more out of TC. It's no coincidence that his best performances all came early in the season, often off the bench.
But also the club for not providing a transition one to one coach/mentor (they are said to be about to or have done this) to help young players cope with the step up and the directors for not building a balanced, fit squad leading too young players get over used, too many U21s in the first time squad at the same time so burning them out.
The fans are not blameless but the club is patently not functioning. Appleton has taken him backwards massively. The board has not picked the right manager and not set the squad up for success. The SMT has cocked up massively and if at the end of the season we have Campbell, Kanu and Elerwere all walk away then this SMT have failed to even match TS achievements as for all his patheticness he managed to always get the kids signed up.
The SMT need to spend less time leaking bullshit to fans and more time doing their jobs properly and running us competently.
Right, and what were TC's instructions from Appleton exactly?
If I was in last chance saloon, win or you are sacked and was drawing 2-2 with 10mins or whatever it was to go when TC came on then if I was manager I would probably say, go get a goal or assist, don't worry about defending or tracking back, stay high up the pitch.
Apples had nothing to win with a draw he needed a win, he would have rolled the dice.
So let's imagine he tells TC that. Then the fans give TC a kicking as he hasn't tracked back...
- A club who regularly change manager, all who play different formations and styles
- A club with poor recruitment leading to regularly changing squads and players including youngsters playing out of position
- A club with a poor injury record meaning young players are often thrown in when they’re not ready, or in situations with a lot of pressure on them to perform immediately and consistently
- Fans fed up with year after year of poor results and performances, ready to (understandably) criticise players, managers, coaches and owners
We’re a great club for a young player to get their initial opportunity, but we’re not one where a player can really grow and develop after they’ve broken through.
Once a player is established as being first team level it’s no surprise most of them move on at the first opportunity.
A spell out on loan would probably do him better than dropping back to the 21s
Too much too soon at the wrong time redolent of Karlan Grant and a few months at Crawley did him just fine.
The problem we have is not how young they are, but whether they are good enough.
Appleton pointed out that this team lack the bottle in a battle. He said be braver, how many times. I don't think TC is in the Dobbo or May mould but can learn from pro's of this calibre. Whether he should be learning from being in the first team is immaterial as he is a squad member so gets thrown on. I don't believe that he would make a single match day squad if any of the promotion chasers.
Set aside our loyalties to our youth, if Scott had brought him in from Man City as a January lifeline to save our season and he performed as he does, plenty would be very underwhelmed at what he can bring to improve the first team. If he was replacing anyone in the first 11, we are going nowhere north of 10th spot, this season or next.
I wish him well wherever he goes in the summer.
However one thing Morgan, Cousins and Fox never did was to stop trying. It is very apparent that he has no confidence to win 1on1's or to cross or shoot, but he doesn't bother to track back. Doesn't push attacks quick enough, I can't remember the last time we saw TC in a full sprint.
It's all a bit weird. For most players his age they'll be busting a gut every time they're on the pitch, especially when a late sub.
I can only assume his attitude has tailed off with his confidence.
I assume it's something about having a midfield with three box to box midfielders in the middle?