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Post-match Thread: Charlton Athletic vs Peterborough | Boxing Day 2022
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Very wrong in your opinion. Think Clare does well in that role. He should have scored but overall, he played very well.Athletico Charlton said:CAFCsayer said:
We’re we watching the same game? Clare was the best player on the pitchJonT_Abs said:First through the door, for me, has to be two left backs. Sessegnon is right back. Clare just about works in a back 4 not a 5.
I didn't watch the game that closely but what I saw was a player who ran well, beat players and then played one shit cross after another. Pointless getting in the positions if your distribution is so poor it always comes to nothing. He also had a one on one where he missed without making the keeper make a save.
I don't rate him, won't be bothered when he leaves (as us the same with almost every other player sadly).15 -
Bad misses and bad crossing by both Clare and JRS. We will not win missing great chances like that. You just knew as soon as Clare missed that great chance that we weren't going to win. If that bad gone in, it would have been game over. Disappointing.1
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Mind boggling that Clare is getting singled out for criticism, amongst that shower of shit. And yes, he does make mistakes, but at least he looks like a footballer when in possession.
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When he's up for it, he's got championship potential, when he's not though... L1 feels his ceiling.Gribbo said:Mind boggling that Clare is getting singled out for criticism, amongst that shower of shit. And yes, he does make mistakes, but at least he looks like a footballer when in possession.0 -
This can’t be right, we have a manager who isn’t blaming the referee in his post-match comments.2
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Post match ref chat was starting to get out of hand.0
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Debatable, but the fact is, regardless of how good we think Clare is, there's a lot more of the squad doing a lot worse than he is and on a far more consistent basis.Dazzler21 said:
When he's up for it, he's got championship potential, when he's not though... L1 feels his ceiling.Gribbo said:Mind boggling that Clare is getting singled out for criticism, amongst that shower of shit. And yes, he does make mistakes, but at least he looks like a footballer when in possession.6 -
Pretty weird that people are already having a go at the new manager. Crazy in fact, one game in.Fraser really annoyed me today for claiming soft fouls while lying on the ground after being tackled. Get up and track back ffs.Other than that we should have come away with three points but for awful misses from Clare (who at least made a lung busting run to create his chance), and Rak-Sakyi (who didn’t).3
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That assessment makes him more than good enough for this team.Dazzler21 said:
When he's up for it, he's got championship potential, when he's not though... L1 feels his ceiling.Gribbo said:Mind boggling that Clare is getting singled out for criticism, amongst that shower of shit. And yes, he does make mistakes, but at least he looks like a footballer when in possession.3 -
Gribbo said:Mind boggling that Clare is getting singled out for criticism, amongst that shower of shit. And yes, he does make mistakes, but at least he looks like a footballer when in possession.
Nobody singling him out for shit. Just suggesting, at the earliest opportunity, stop playing our very talented right wingback on the left and instead get in a left wingback (or two)
I like Clare and rate him, even enjoyed some swashbuckling moments today, but if you think he's a right wing back I'd politely disagree0 - Sponsored links:
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I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
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Who is our very talented right wing back? Not a dig, just baffled who you mean0
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Must be a bit of a piss when you score a beautiful goal and it doesn't win the game. Happened to me during school championship 19782
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A point is ok - staying up is the only target this year -0
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Burstow, Leaburn & Kanu.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
None are that good & none will ever make The Premier league. I just dont get the fawning over these 3 "strikers". For the past few years all I've read on here is "Just you wait until Burstow gets into the team, he's mustard". Then the same about Leaburn last year when Bairstow was sold. And now its Kanu's turn to be adulated & adored by the faithful.
Sorry, just don't see it. I will admit Leaburn has the knack of popping up in the right place & getting his head (or foot) onto the ball. But I still don't see him scoring 15-20 goals a season. And to me that's the mark of a striker. I would go so far as to say 20+ goals a season, but seeing as we've only had 3 of those in the past 25 years I'll lower the bar slightly and say 15+. League goals obviously.
Happy to eat humble pie if either of them do.9 -
First half was a bit dull but thankfully not tippy tappy possession dull.Second half we played with purpose. And should have won that 3-1.
Special mention for Sam Lavelle. After a period where he has been totally out of form he produces a really good performance and blocked just about everything Peterborough could muster. Fraser did a Fraser... great first half and faded into the shadows second period.... why is he (and others) so unfit? Could this be a post covid thing?
Dobson was great first half.
AMB great throughout. Hope he keeps the gloves personally. I think he's way in front of Woolacot....maybe we will get a fee paying offer for him in January and we can offload calamity Craig too. Free up spaces and wages.
Not a big Clare fan but I thought he had a very good game today. A lot less passing backwards.I hope we are close to seeing the end of Stockley. His constant moaning and waving his arms in the air are pretty much all he is good at. Very much a player who has lost his way. No pace no movement unless the ball finds him.... he does nothing to find the ball. Unfit and out of form or just a Donkey?Good cameo for Henry I thought.Kirk is a fitter version of Donkley with the added superpower of invisibility. Hopefully another near the end of his tenure here. I really wanted him to succeed but he defies the odds and provides pretty much nothing.Leaburn and Kanu looked useful second half playing closer together so I was disappointed to see Kanu pulled off. Inniss better at just defending it still a mistake waiting to happen which is fine if we can score at the other end.This team needs 2-3 goals to win. Hopefully that changes with the more direct formation.All in all an enjoyable game, hopefully we have turned a corner.5 -
I think AMB is getting away with it a bit. He’s been decent, he’s certainly better than Mac but that was poor goalkeeping for the goal.
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Blimey!ForeverAddickted said:
Northern monkey in 300mph gibbering episode.
Was he actually intimidated by Terry Smith?
They say appearances can be deceptive. Thank Christ for that.
Maybe we'll get the self-assured, measured, charismatic version next time, or maybe the football will do the talking.3 -
I'm loving Maynard-Brewer.
There's one kid that has come in and shown no signs of nervousness, inexperience, indecisiveness, poor judgement or anything you might expect from a youngster.
He has an aura of calmness and understated self-belief.
Woolly will struggle to depose him I think and Gilly, sorry you're toast8 -
The game? As half expected it was a case of "after the Lord Mayor's Show".
The first half was error strewn and mediocre.
Second half we were better, but without ever being convincing and we were criminally wasteful in front of goal.
Our one goal was a moment of rare quality.
Kanu, who for the most part looked like a child in a mans game, did brilliantly to get by his man and deliver a perfect cross in and Leaburn made it his.
I sort of get throwing in the youngters, given that Stockley has completely lost whatever it was he had and Chuks is mortally wounded again.
Miles is further forward in his development, but he would benefit from some real quality and experience alongside him. A Lyle Taylor type.
Other than that, I'm fully on board with the post-Garner pragmatic approach and thankfully the painful, compulsory play-it-out-from-the-back philosophy is now a thing of the past.
Hayes 1 Holden 0.
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I’ll join in that club.Athletico Charlton said:CAFCsayer said:
We’re we watching the same game? Clare was the best player on the pitchJonT_Abs said:First through the door, for me, has to be two left backs. Sessegnon is right back. Clare just about works in a back 4 not a 5.
I didn't watch the game that closely but what I saw was a player who ran well, beat players and then played one shit cross after another. Pointless getting in the positions if your distribution is so poor it always comes to nothing. He also had a one on one where he missed without making the keeper make a save.
I don't rate him, won't be bothered when he leaves (as us the same with almost every other player sadly).
He’s perhaps the most frustrating player at the club because his talent is clear - as others have said, he’s one that actually looks like a proper footballer when in full flow.
But unfortunately he rarely capitalises on the openings he creates going forward, meanwhile being prone to bone headed passes, errors and costly fouls in defensive areas.
He seems like a great lad but I don’t think he’s a starter in a team that wants promotion out of this league. Looking forward to seeing Egbo’s return.0 -
I wasn't fawning.golfaddick said:
Burstow, Leaburn & Kanu.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
None are that good & none will ever make The Premier league. I just dont get the fawning over these 3 "strikers". For the past few years all I've read on here is "Just you wait until Burstow gets into the team, he's mustard". Then the same about Leaburn last year when Bairstow was sold. And now its Kanu's turn to be adulated & adored by the faithful.
Sorry, just don't see it. I will admit Leaburn has the knack of popping up in the right place & getting his head (or foot) onto the ball. But I still don't see him scoring 15-20 goals a season. And to me that's the mark of a striker. I would go so far as to say 20+ goals a season, but seeing as we've only had 3 of those in the past 25 years I'll lower the bar slightly and say 15+. League goals obviously.
Happy to eat humble pie if either of them do.
I just wondered if the new regime were looking for a bit of income before their rumoured assault on the market. I doubt Charlton would turn down the sort of money raised by the Bairstow sale for any of the youngsters on our books. Andy Scott said there'd be comings and goings and he's only got six weeks to make his mark.0 -
Whilst I'm also pleased with how he's performing, he's 23. Others of our kids who are younger are not referred to as kids and are berated for being in and around the squad for the last few years...Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I'm loving Maynard-Brewer.
There's one kid that has come in and shown no signs of nervousness, inexperience, indecisiveness, poor judgement or anything you might expect from a youngster.
He has an aura of calmness and understated self-belief.
Woolly will struggle to depose him I think and Gilly, sorry you're toast
Maturity comes not just with the experience of playing, but with age.
I feel sorry for our young pros that have been stuck at our club that has been the most fucked up football club in the English football league for the past 11 years.
It's not surprising that those that have been out on loan have been better adaptable to slotting in than those stuck here throughout that time.
On Wollacott, I'd say he had been good up to the injury, I think MacG will struggle to find a place with these two ahead of him.
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Couldn’t disagree with you more re: Leaburn. He’s deceptively quick, skilful, strong, has a good temperament and can score goals. I will be surprised, injury apart, if he doesn’t make the PL, just hopefully not too soon. Kanu is promising but needs more time before we can assess his level for sure. Burstow I’ve never been impressed by.golfaddick said:
Burstow, Leaburn & Kanu.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
None are that good & none will ever make The Premier league. I just dont get the fawning over these 3 "strikers". For the past few years all I've read on here is "Just you wait until Burstow gets into the team, he's mustard". Then the same about Leaburn last year when Bairstow was sold. And now its Kanu's turn to be adulated & adored by the faithful.
Sorry, just don't see it. I will admit Leaburn has the knack of popping up in the right place & getting his head (or foot) onto the ball. But I still don't see him scoring 15-20 goals a season. And to me that's the mark of a striker. I would go so far as to say 20+ goals a season, but seeing as we've only had 3 of those in the past 25 years I'll lower the bar slightly and say 15+. League goals obviously.
Happy to eat humble pie if either of them do.4 -
Easy to write players off when they're stuck in the circus that is CAFC with the most inconsistent group of senior pros to ever play for the club.golfaddick said:
Burstow, Leaburn & Kanu.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
None are that good & none will ever make The Premier league. I just dont get the fawning over these 3 "strikers". For the past few years all I've read on here is "Just you wait until Burstow gets into the team, he's mustard". Then the same about Leaburn last year when Bairstow was sold. And now its Kanu's turn to be adulated & adored by the faithful.
Sorry, just don't see it. I will admit Leaburn has the knack of popping up in the right place & getting his head (or foot) onto the ball. But I still don't see him scoring 15-20 goals a season. And to me that's the mark of a striker. I would go so far as to say 20+ goals a season, but seeing as we've only had 3 of those in the past 25 years I'll lower the bar slightly and say 15+. League goals obviously.
Happy to eat humble pie if either of them do.
The only thing these boys peers are consistent at, is being inconsistent.
How many strikers in each league score 20+ a season?! Very few break 15.1 -
In terms of how much they've been on the pitch, Leaburn (takes him around 110-minutes to score a goal) has a better record this season than your beloved Bishop (takes him 189-minutes to score a goal).golfaddick said:
Burstow, Leaburn & Kanu.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
None are that good & none will ever make The Premier league. I just dont get the fawning over these 3 "strikers". For the past few years all I've read on here is "Just you wait until Burstow gets into the team, he's mustard". Then the same about Leaburn last year when Bairstow was sold. And now its Kanu's turn to be adulated & adored by the faithful.
Sorry, just don't see it. I will admit Leaburn has the knack of popping up in the right place & getting his head (or foot) onto the ball. But I still don't see him scoring 15-20 goals a season. And to me that's the mark of a striker. I would go so far as to say 20+ goals a season, but seeing as we've only had 3 of those in the past 25 years I'll lower the bar slightly and say 15+. League goals obviously.
Happy to eat humble pie if either of them do.
Thats with Bishop having played over a 1,000 more minutes...7 -
Bishop well and truly bashed.ForeverAddickted said:
In terms of how much they've been on the pitch, Leaburn (takes him around 110-minutes to score a goal) has a better record this season than your beloved Bishop (takes him 189-minutes to score a goal).golfaddick said:
Burstow, Leaburn & Kanu.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
None are that good & none will ever make The Premier league. I just dont get the fawning over these 3 "strikers". For the past few years all I've read on here is "Just you wait until Burstow gets into the team, he's mustard". Then the same about Leaburn last year when Bairstow was sold. And now its Kanu's turn to be adulated & adored by the faithful.
Sorry, just don't see it. I will admit Leaburn has the knack of popping up in the right place & getting his head (or foot) onto the ball. But I still don't see him scoring 15-20 goals a season. And to me that's the mark of a striker. I would go so far as to say 20+ goals a season, but seeing as we've only had 3 of those in the past 25 years I'll lower the bar slightly and say 15+. League goals obviously.
Happy to eat humble pie if either of them do.
Thats with Bishop having played over a 1,000 more minutes...16 -
You can’t beat a Boxing Day home game on a cold afternoon at the Valley.
Needed that second goal to seal the 3 points but was a lot better than recent home league games.
Shame Leaburn went off after turning his ankle on the touch line. Hopefully nothing too serious as that boy is a joy to watch and such a threat for opposing teams3 -
I spent more time watching pigeons than the football in the first half. After the break both sides had great chances to score but Peterborough were the more consistently threatening so 1-1 was a reasonable result.7
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ForeverAddickted said:
In terms of how much they've been on the pitch, Leaburn (takes him around 110-minutes to score a goal) has a better record this season than your beloved Bishop (takes him 189-minutes to score a goal).golfaddick said:
Burstow, Leaburn & Kanu.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wondered if 'this new lot' had put Leaburn and Kanu in the shop window today - possibly looking for the Burstow effect.soapboxsam said:Kanu is a goal scorer and he will score plenty either for Cafc or someone else. Pleased he started today even though he struggled to get into the game in a poor quality 1st half. He needs games and he will be a revelation. Grant was 17 and in the Championship; Kanu is 18 and ready to adapt to the mediocre League 1.
Kanu showed his talent 2nd half with a great first touch and good cross with his weaker foot for Leaburn's goal.
Wish the chance for Rak Sakyi had fallen to Daniel but he was off the field by then.
Bizarrely I was quite pleased Kanu had a quiet match overall because he will be gone before the end of January if he scores too many goals ( Mason Burstow)
Fraser is talented but he can be knocked off the ball and he fades big time in many games.
The inability to win games; only 5 coming up to the new year tells Thomas Sandgaard we need improvements just to get into the top half of the table.
We - the fans - know precious little of the intent and aspirations of the new regime.
None are that good & none will ever make The Premier league. I just dont get the fawning over these 3 "strikers". For the past few years all I've read on here is "Just you wait until Burstow gets into the team, he's mustard". Then the same about Leaburn last year when Bairstow was sold. And now its Kanu's turn to be adulated & adored by the faithful.
Sorry, just don't see it. I will admit Leaburn has the knack of popping up in the right place & getting his head (or foot) onto the ball. But I still don't see him scoring 15-20 goals a season. And to me that's the mark of a striker. I would go so far as to say 20+ goals a season, but seeing as we've only had 3 of those in the past 25 years I'll lower the bar slightly and say 15+. League goals obviously.
Happy to eat humble pie if either of them do.
Thats with Bishop having played over a 1,000 more minutes...
Good news: Chuks Aneke scores a goal every 85 minutes he is on the pitch 👍
Bad news: The next goal will be in 17 matches time 👎
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