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Holden sacked?! (Ed. Yes - Confirmed)
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Wouldn’t be against Bowyer as enjoyed watching us under him, albeit it went to shit in the end but not sure how progressive it would be? A Nathan Jones or Darren Moore would be a signal of intent which I think would my preference.charlton_hero said:23 -
Joint worst start to a league campaign in 33 years.1
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Appleton is available actually. Wouldn't be a bad shout.
Luke Williams I just can't see leaving Notts County yet. Maybe next season if he gets them in and around the playoffs this season1 -
If Bowyer interested, I would be happy with him, Moore would be top of my list though.10
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The Cowleys had a good squad at Pompey and didn't do much with it. Finished 10th and sacked while 12th. Not an improvement, sounds much like us.
Moore would be #1 choice for me. Plays pragmatic football in this league and knows how to get promoted. But I doubt he'll want to come and join this shower of shite.
I don't want a former manager back, personally. And have we forgotten how grim and nasty that 'LB Out' thread was. A lot of people were very unhappy towards the end of his tenure.
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Can't see this lot wanting Bowyer. He's the type that will moan if he's not getting the backing. Would've thought they'd be after more of a yes man but we'll see.3
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Nathan Jones would be my pick but it feels immaterial. Unless the set-up is right behind the scenes, then it’s irrelevant who stands out front on the touchline.2
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I have a feeling it won't be Bowyer. I would prefer us to take our time. Give Pearce a go, if we start winning games and climb the table, give him the job until the end of the season, even if he wins every game, keep it as is until the end of the season and take it from there. If we don't pick up or lose form bring somebody else in and move Pearce back to his old job. It would be like buying two raffle tickets instead of one which effectively is what it is with any manager we would be in the market for.7
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pettgra said:Steve Evans anyone, we love him in SE7.
Only joking, but maybe not a good idea to joke about these things.
Evans would not be the most popular choice ever,but If he was our manager he would be seen in a different light,and he gets results wherever he goes.I think he is just what we need to shake this club up,before we descend into oblivion.1 -
If that's the case then it's highly unlikely to be Moore either, given he left Sheff Weds because of a disagreement with the owner over signings.Talal said:Can't see this lot wanting Bowyer. He's the type that will moan if he's not getting the backing. Would've thought they'd be after more of a yes man but we'll see.0 - Sponsored links:
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Even after sleeping on the Holden news, I’m still unclear as to how I feel about it.Timing wise, a week before the window shuts is terrible, plus Holden came across as a really nice guy.But… he has to take some responsibility for our worst start in years in a really poor division. Even with the players we have and the injuries, we had enough to get a point or 2 at home to Bristol Rovers and Port Vale.I watched the post match summary on Charlton TV after the Oxford game, Scott, Brownie and Curbs were all scathing of the team line-up, tactics (e.g Alfie May’s long throw) and the basic errors that were not being addressed on the training ground - that all sits with Holden.
Supporting CAFC really is a rollercoaster!9 -
Think people are just living off the past once again with regards to wanting Lee bowyer back, the bloke had Cullen Aribo and bielik in midfield alongside Lyle Taylor.20
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Firstly we always have at least a couple of managers a season recent years so nice to get it out the way in august and not wait for the autumn dip in form.charlton_hero said:I like Bowyer, if nothing else he’s passionate and clearly doesn’t like losing. Get him in while there’s still time to try another couple before May.0 -
3 of which he brought in, under RD who'd lost interest in Charlton by then.000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Think people are just living off the past once again with regards to wanting Lee bowyer back, the bloke had Cullen Aribo and bielik in midfield alongside Lyle Taylor.6 -
Lyle Taylor for manager! yeh different. Post match interviews would go on ...and on000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Think people are just living off the past once again with regards to wanting Lee bowyer back, the bloke had Cullen Aribo and bielik in midfield alongside Lyle Taylor.0 -
Garner Mark 2Swisdom said:The chap at Notts county did a great job there last year. Attractive football and winning mentality
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whats Michael Appleton up to these days?
No. We need a really strong character that has enough about them the handle the inevitable New manager slump that comes after the bounce. And also one that tells the ownership the kind of things they don't want to hear and they stick by him through it.1 -
Thanks, he's got connectionsKap10 said:
Long term fan, former part of the commuications team, believe he was one of Rick's team when Rick was comms supremo. Subsequently worked at West Ham and possibly FL or other footballing authority.KingKinsella said:
Who is Jimmy Stone? why does he know more than others?Danny Addick said:
Hence why he threw everything at the win at 1-1.fenaddick said:0 -
Have a feeling that a situation had arisen within the club -between Holden and the board -and this decision was made before a ball was kicked.4
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Anyone wanting Bowyer back seems to have forgotten what a shambles the football was at the end of his tenure.
We have to show a bit of ambition. Keep going backwards at present....17 -
Did not expect this. Tweaking the coaching set up maybe, but wholesale change this early with half the tools available to the builder, shambles.
Players like Hector need to look at themselves and now stand up and earn their wage. Must have been crap in training and we know was making errors in game - part down to management perhaps, but when one of your most experienced pros on probably the best wage at the club is not leading by example and out of professional pride, you are exposing your team and manager. Not just down to him, but you get my gist…
Whoever comes in, most youngsters need a rest, senior pros step up properly and new owners get on with their recruitment. If this is the squad for the season, with no more QUALITY additions, I seriously do not know why they have invested and committed for 2 years financial coverage - madness?This was not all down to Dean and his team - 100% - got very unlucky with injuries, following insufficient transfer business in time for season start, while one or two seniors hid and weren’t doing what they are paid to do.
Thanks for your effort, time in charge and bonding with fans, Dean. No hard feelings toward you here, bigger picture tells a clearer story than merely focusing on your portrait. Unlucky, but you will be back in the game soon and wish you every success, as I do Danny and Glynn.15 - Sponsored links:
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While the buck always stops at the Managers door 🚪 it really should go higher than that because those decision makers since relegation from the Premier League have got it so badly wrong.
Obviously money is a big factor in choosing a new manager and their backroom staff but nobody who we might assume would be well positioned in terms of football experience have shown a complete lack of judgement in finding the right candidate for the job.
Again, it’s never that simplistic or certainly not in our case and I’m seriously concerned there’s no evidence to suggest that they may get it right this time or anytime soon!0 -
I don't want Bowyer back but this is a bit of a silly mentality. Writing a manager off because he did well with players he identified with Gallen as good for his system? Cullen had just looked average at best at Bolton and not brilliant for Bradford, Bielik had had failed loans at Birmingham and Walsall and Aribo had only just come into the team and Bowyer turned him from a callow u21 player into an excellent midfielder. Bowyer's main skill was making the most of the players he had and improving them. I don't think we've had a manager since who has actually been able to do anything with players who on the face of it looked like good signings except make them worse (though Bowyer started to do that as well towards the end, which is why I don't think a reunion would work out)000__Jaaaaay__000 said:Think people are just living off the past once again with regards to wanting Lee bowyer back, the bloke had Cullen Aribo and bielik in midfield alongside Lyle Taylor.
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I didn't want him as manager but he seems a decent person and he did reasonably well last season, so I was happy for him to continue. Sadly, we've been shocking this season and he's made some awful tactical choices recently. I'm not upset he's gone tbh, but wish him and his family well for the future.0
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CAFC = Purgatory!0
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I know Jimmy but he came in towards the end of the time I worked for the club when Matt Wright was running the comms set-up.Kap10 said:
Long term fan, former part of the commuications team, believe he was one of Rick's team when Rick was comms supremo. Subsequently worked at West Ham and possibly FL or other footballing authority.KingKinsella said:
Who is Jimmy Stone? why does he know more than others?Danny Addick said:
Hence why he threw everything at the win at 1-1.fenaddick said:2 -
Yes, by the end it was a total mess and it was best for everyone he went.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Anyone wanting Bowyer back seems to have forgotten what a shambles the football was at the end of his tenure.
We have to show a bit of ambition. Keep going backwards at present....
But, ....I would still unashamedly absolutely love to have Bowyer back.1 -
I think there might well have been a friction and perhaps Holden picked that team v Oxford to make a point that he desperately needed reinforcements. Perhaps Rodwell, Scott or whomever is calling the shots didn’t much like it and thought fuck you, you’re out.Off_it said:
We have a winner here, would be my take.AFKABartram said:
My guess is there’s been a fall out brewing for some time. No manager would be happy going into a season as unsupported as Holden was., given the circumstances.Gribbo said:Can never understand sackin a manager without their replacement already lined up, snd having to use a caretaker manager
Unless there was a fall out last night?My hunch is him and Scott have been at loggerheads all summer and there’s been an undercurrent over the last few weeks and inevitably about all this.2 -
Sir Chris for me, man management at this level is crucial, but may be not enough in Championship as we witnessed (if we get there)
Otherwise Nathan Jones, however not sure he would drop down0 -
Garner picked that ridiculous team and formation against Cheltenham last year - very similarShootersHillGuru said:
I think there might well have been a friction and perhaps Holden picked that team v Oxford to make a point that he desperately needed reinforcements. Perhaps Rodwell, Scott or whomever is calling the shots didn’t much like it and thought fuck you, you’re out.Off_it said:
We have a winner here, would be my take.AFKABartram said:
My guess is there’s been a fall out brewing for some time. No manager would be happy going into a season as unsupported as Holden was., given the circumstances.Gribbo said:Can never understand sackin a manager without their replacement already lined up, snd having to use a caretaker manager
Unless there was a fall out last night?My hunch is him and Scott have been at loggerheads all summer and there’s been an undercurrent over the last few weeks and inevitably about all this.2 -
Just to add I wanted Holden to stay and for once avoid the continual upheaval when we sack a manager with the logical pay offs from a club which doesn't have a huge amount of money to buy players. But..... I also think we've seen some pretty odd decisions regarding the line up (saturday was really like tying a sign to your arse saying 'kick me hard') and there is a lack of real leadership on the pitch, as well as some farsical stuff every game. So while this is another chance to show the football world that Charlton isn't a wll run club any more, there are reasons to accept the departure, and I wish Dean Holden all the best at his next club.
As for Charlton going forward, we have an incomplete squad and no manager and we are in the last week of the transfer window. And by all accounts, we are the first EFL team to sack a manager this season - yay! To make this decision work, we need an upgrade. Someone like Moore with a proven track record. NOT another internal promotion to save a few quid, or a cheap alternative. And really, it needs to be done quickly, as does some transfer business. If we don't bother getting a good manager with a proven CV, and strengthen the squad to make us competetive, the money paid out to Holden is just a pure waste and we'd have done better to let him continue. It's all very well being a decisive owner getting someone out of a job to improve performance, but now the emphasis is on the owners to make a better choice, while dealing with a closing transfer window. For the many who doubt whether the owners are serious about taking us further as a football club, the owners have now given themselves the chance to show exactly how serious their claims are.7
