I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
If the best your chosen god can manage is a mid-lower table finish in League One I wouldn't hold my breath for any mass conversions if I were you.
Good point Rizzo but the existence of God isn't proven simply by the worldly success of a person or sports team. That has echoes of the prosperity gospel. If NJ left the club in 5 years and the whole club converted ~ because he had inspired them so much by his example and by his life I would count that a fruitful chapter in his life. If he failed to get us promoted, I wouldn't demand he stays in the job. The two things are very separate. Inspiring others to turn to God is one thing. Winning football matches is something else. But BOTH could happen. And I think NJ WILL get us promoted AND he WILL win souls for Christ too.
I very much doubt that there are many, if any, people so weak-willed that they get converted to your cult through a post-match interview.
I’m a 100% atheist and have zero time for religion of any kind. What I will say though is that I prefer people like Jones who are obviously committed to their faith and feel comfortable to display it at any given moment than the hypocrites who pay lip service to religion because they feel they must. The classic example are American politicians who regardless of their own standpoint feel compelled to add God bless America at the end of every speech just because it’s expected. Obama included and there is no way that man believes in a god.
There is spirituality and spirituality. Russel Brand is cosplaying Catholicism because he is a vile rapist and abuser, nothing to do with any internal spiritual life he may have. I believe that we all have a relationship with our internal landscape of morality. Plus a curiosity as to what is it all about and where did it all come from. For some they blow that internal debate up so much they create a religion about it…and if they want there are a lot of religions to choose from! The problem is so many mass religions are vehicles for destruction, none are exempt, even Buddhism. If somebody has an internal existence it does not mean they believe in a God, nor does it mean they believe every question can be answered by science.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA*!
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA*!
*Come On You Atheists
* cry over your afterlife!
What happens if it turns out you've been worshipping the wrong god all along? Allah is gonna be pretty pissed off with you!
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA!
In my experience with religious people this sort of talk is basically an excuse for thinly veiled racism.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA*!
*Come On You Atheists
* cry over your afterlife!
And here is is. The fear rhetoric of the cult always comes out.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
If the best your chosen god can manage is a mid-lower table finish in League One I wouldn't hold my breath for any mass conversions if I were you.
Good point Rizzo but the existence of God isn't proven simply by the worldly success of a person or sports team. That has echoes of the prosperity gospel. If NJ left the club in 5 years and the whole club converted ~ because he had inspired them so much by his example and by his life I would count that a fruitful chapter in his life. If he failed to get us promoted, I wouldn't demand he stays in the job. The two things are very separate. Inspiring others to turn to God is one thing. Winning football matches is something else. But BOTH could happen. And I think NJ WILL get us promoted AND he WILL win souls for Christ too.
I think if Chris Powell didn't manage to convert the whole club by his example then Nathan Jones isn't going to either.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA!
In my experience with religious people this sort of talk is basically an excuse for thinly veiled racism.
No thanks.
And in this case, not even thinly veiled racism.
PS of course, the "western world" (Greek, Roman, Norse, Germanic, Frank, etc) existed long before people started worshipping a Jewish rabbi from the Middle East
One of my colleagues from a few years ago came out of a very religious family. He himself dropped religion a few years earlier. My colleague told me that his brother was telling my colleagues kids that their father would be going to hell, when he dies.
It will never not blow my mind that grown adults believe in any god or religion.
And start war's over it.
Did you read that in a pop up book?
Wars aren't fought by faiths, they are the indulgence of men. Faith isn't the issue, greed and power are.
WWII Civil Wars - China's, Russian WWI Sino-Japanese Wars Spanish Conquests of the Americas
More recently the war in the Ukraine.
The fighting in Israel is a land conflict.
Crusades (11th-13th centuries): A series of religious wars initiated by Western European Christians to regain control of the Holy Land from Muslims.
Thirty Years' War (1618-1648): Initially a conflict between Protestant and Catholic states in the Holy Roman Empire, it later evolved into a broader European war involving political and territorial disputes.
French Wars of Religion (1562-1598): A series of conflicts between Catholics and Protestants in France, marked by massacres, assassinations, and sieges.
Islamic conquests (7th-8th centuries): Military campaigns led by Islamic caliphs to spread Islam and conquer territories across the Middle East, North Africa, and parts of Europe.
Reconquista (8th-15th centuries): A long period of military campaigns by Christian kingdoms in the Iberian Peninsula to reconquer territory from Muslim rule.
Jewish-Roman Wars (1st and 2nd centuries): Revolts by Jewish communities against Roman rule, motivated partly by religious beliefs and resistance to Roman religious and cultural practices.
Wars of the Reformation (16th century): Conflicts across Europe sparked by the Protestant Reformation, pitting Catholic and Protestant states against each other.
Irish Confederate Wars (1641-1653): Conflicts in Ireland between Catholic Confederates and Protestant English and Scottish settlers, fueled by religious, political, and ethnic tensions.
Bosnian War (1992-1995): Although primarily driven by ethnic and political factors, religious identity played a significant role in the conflict between Bosnian Muslims, Serbs, and Croats.
Northern Crusades (12th-16th centuries): Military campaigns by Christian kingdoms and orders to conquer and convert pagan Baltic tribes in the Baltic region.
And you haven't even mentioned the big one, The Taiping Rebellion, which caused 20 million deaths, was started by a bloke who claimed to be the brother of Jesus Christ and whose aim was to convert people to his particular brand of Christianity.
And let us not forget the red elephant in the room - Communist Stalin killed 60 million and Communist Mao killed 100 million. In fact the one guarantee is that where communism is spread ~ war is ALWAYS an essential part of it. It doesn't even promise salvation or hope or peace in its dogmas. So the thought that Communism will somehow "stumble upon" these noble things is ridiculous. I think one will find that the desire for earthly transient power is at the heart of nearly all conflicts.
I’m a 100% atheist and have zero time for religion of any kind. What I will say though is that I prefer people like Jones who are obviously committed to their faith and feel comfortable to display it at any given moment than the hypocrites who pay lip service to religion because they feel they must. The classic example are American politicians who regardless of their own standpoint feel compelled to add God bless America at the end of every speech just because it’s expected. Obama included and there is no way that man believes in a god.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA*!
*Come On You Atheists
* cry over your afterlife!
What happens if it turns out you've been worshipping the wrong god all along? Allah is gonna be pretty pissed off with you!
If you study comparative religions and in this instance ~ Islam you will find that "allah" says in the quran that the Torah and the gospels are incorrupt and to be believed. I would have to agree with this sura entirely.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
If the best your chosen god can manage is a mid-lower table finish in League One I wouldn't hold my breath for any mass conversions if I were you.
Good point Rizzo but the existence of God isn't proven simply by the worldly success of a person or sports team. That has echoes of the prosperity gospel. If NJ left the club in 5 years and the whole club converted ~ because he had inspired them so much by his example and by his life I would count that a fruitful chapter in his life. If he failed to get us promoted, I wouldn't demand he stays in the job. The two things are very separate. Inspiring others to turn to God is one thing. Winning football matches is something else. But BOTH could happen. And I think NJ WILL get us promoted AND he WILL win souls for Christ too.
I think if Chris Powell didn't manage to convert the whole club by his example then Nathan Jones isn't going to either.
Quite possibly yes. But he may inspire many to consider where he gets his hope and his strength from ...and look into it. That is enough. CP was another great example and I am sure many did likewise.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA*!
One of my colleagues from a few years ago came out of a very religious family. He himself dropped religion a few years earlier. My colleague told me that his brother was telling my colleagues kids that their father would be going to hell, when he dies.
Vile stuff.
Yes, that's not on at all. Clearly not someone in friendship with Christ.
I'm here! The article was banal and predictable. Shifting to Nathan Jones but staying with faith...
How do we all feel about having a faith-filled gifted manager at the helm. Who actually attributes ALL his success to his faith in Jesus Christ! I can imagine there are some who would take a n y o n e except a Christian manager who openly speaks about his faith. He's started really well ...let's keep praying for him! 🙏 👍
Just like anyone else, he's entitled to his own beliefs, however ridiculous they are, in private.
I don't want to be hearing about his imaginary sky friend in a post match interview, as an example. That's not just Christianity, but all and every religion.
Actually SoK ~ Nathan Jones references God in nearly every "lengthy" interview (that hasn't been edited down) He attributes everything to his faith. I can see its the driver. I hope he inspires many Addicks to get back to or discover their faith and the Christian roots to this country and the Western world.
The lights have almost gone out here but while it still flickers there is hope. God bless you. And COYA*!
*Come On You Atheists
* cry over your afterlife!
And here is is. The fear rhetoric of the cult always comes out.
It's not fear rhetoric. We were playing a word game with the letters "coya". Do follow the thread above.
I don’t believe in a god and I live my life by values that I’d consider humanitarian or at least as much as 99% of people. I hate the term “Christian values”. It’s bloody insulting.
Whether you believe or not, the teachings and values attributed to Jesus is what represents Christian Values. Not that only christians have them I suspect. That's how I see it so don't find it insulting for that reason. What I find strange is the most conservative christians don't really share those values!
Values like killing women for losing their virginity out of wedlock, or killing a child for cursing their parents? Perhaps it’s the pro slavery teaching that make for Christian values?
Wait, murdering rape victims has to be the real winner.
But it’s all ok if it does no harm to others 🤦
Those values are Old Testament …. Pre Christ and as such not Christian. Part of Jewish law as described in the Torah or first five books of the old Testament
Slavery, homophobia, violence and misogyny are all "values" which are promoted in the New Testament. I think these "values" ought not to be taught.
Could you furnish us with citations in the gospels that underpin this rather bleak claim Chizz? I don't know such followers of Christ. Love all, serve all is His message. Starting with loving Him.
American ‘founding father’ Thomas Jefferson started on a 14 year old slave and she had six children by him. Maybe he was following the stuff in the Bible as so many Americans seemingly do.
That’s nothing, the Prophet Muhammad married a six year old
I don’t believe in a god and I live my life by values that I’d consider humanitarian or at least as much as 99% of people. I hate the term “Christian values”. It’s bloody insulting.
Whether you believe or not, the teachings and values attributed to Jesus is what represents Christian Values. Not that only christians have them I suspect. That's how I see it so don't find it insulting for that reason. What I find strange is the most conservative christians don't really share those values!
Values like killing women for losing their virginity out of wedlock, or killing a child for cursing their parents? Perhaps it’s the pro slavery teaching that make for Christian values?
Wait, murdering rape victims has to be the real winner.
But it’s all ok if it does no harm to others 🤦
Those values are Old Testament …. Pre Christ and as such not Christian. Part of Jewish law as described in the Torah or first five books of the old Testament
Slavery, homophobia, violence and misogyny are all "values" which are promoted in the New Testament. I think these "values" ought not to be taught.
Could you furnish us with citations in the gospels that underpin this rather bleak claim Chizz? I don't know such followers of Christ. Love all, serve all is His message. Starting with loving Him.
But the New Testament isn't just the gospels, it's also the epistles, so you're indulging in a touch of sleight of hand here. It's probably going to be St Paul's letter to someone or other, cos it normally bloody is.
I believe according to the Bible Jesus said the word that came before him, the Old Testament, is to be followed. I take that to mean (amongst other things) the Ten Commandments and Leviticus. Anybody ever read Leviticus ffs?
I believe according to the Bible Jesus said the word that came before him, the Old Testament, is to be followed. I take that to mean (amongst other things) the Ten Commandments and Leviticus. Anybody ever read Leviticus ffs?
Ah, but isnt Jesus supposed to have wiped the slate clean on some things, such as what can and cant be eaten at a later date? Which is why Christian's dont have to follow the same rules as Jews?
Which is really handy. Follow these rules, unless I change my mind at a later date. But it's all the word of God. Magic. That's crystal clear then. Cheers.
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Russel Brand is cosplaying Catholicism because he is a vile rapist and abuser, nothing to do with any internal spiritual life he may have.
I believe that we all have a relationship with our internal landscape of morality. Plus a curiosity as to what is it all about and where did it all come from.
For some they blow that internal debate up so much they create a religion about it…and if they want there are a lot of religions to choose from!
The problem is so many mass religions are vehicles for destruction, none are exempt, even Buddhism.
If somebody has an internal existence it does not mean they believe in a God, nor does it mean they believe every question can be answered by science.
Like some sort of warped tombola.
No thanks.
PS of course, the "western world" (Greek, Roman, Norse, Germanic, Frank, etc) existed long before people started worshipping a Jewish rabbi from the Middle East
One of my colleagues from a few years ago came out of a very religious family. He himself dropped religion a few years earlier. My colleague told me that his brother was telling my colleagues kids that their father would be going to hell, when he dies.
Vile stuff.
In fact the one guarantee is that where communism is spread ~ war is ALWAYS an essential part of it. It doesn't even promise salvation or hope or peace in its dogmas. So the thought that Communism will somehow "stumble upon" these noble things is ridiculous. I think one will find that the desire for earthly transient power is at the heart of nearly all conflicts.
Anybody ever read Leviticus ffs?
Which is really handy. Follow these rules, unless I change my mind at a later date. But it's all the word of God. Magic. That's crystal clear then. Cheers.
Well it was thought provoking at least.