If God created the entire universe, why would he concern himself with us? We're tiny in the grand scale of things after all.
He's probably off watching some other planet millions of light years away with other life.
All seeing and all powerful remember. That’s why sometimes it’s humans with free will and sometimes it’s gods hand. He is so all powerful and all seeing that he sees massive injustice but only intervenes sometimes.
Luckily we only find out this is bollocks once we’re too dead to tell anyone.
If God created the entire universe, why would he concern himself with us? We're tiny in the grand scale of things after all.
He's probably off watching some other planet millions of light years away with other life.
I believe He did, yes. Fruits of the "enlightenment" (endarkenment!) - that we see ourselves as nothing more than tiny and pointless in the grand scheme of things. WE are the centre of it all. Here.
Because we are His finest work.
If mankind is the best of his work then he needs to try harder.
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
You say ‘depends what you mean by ‘worship’ bruv’, then string it out until lunchtime.
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
I’d tell him straight I’m a Charlton fan. I’ve suffered enough.
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
or one of the other 3000 gods in existence.
As Ricky Gervais said - I just believe in one less god than you do.
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
Well Ally, even if I was reading from the wrong book, I thought it better to be religious and live a good life unlike the hell bound slags that mocked all religions and their followers.
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
or one of the other 3000 gods in existence.
As Ricky Gervais said - I just believe in one less god than you do.
If there is a god (and this really is the hugest if ifs), why is it so cripplingly insecure that it needs the constant validation of humans praying to it?
Hi Stig, "it" (!) Is neither insecure OR needy. We are! He created us. And gave us free will to reject or accept Him. THIS is true love. To give each of us the freedom to accept or reject Him and His plan for our life. It is the very fact that He IS secure and needs nothing from us that we should take great courage in presenting our many insecurities, and our neediness, our sufferings, confusions and heartbreaks and difficulties before Him. And, in so doing, discover the Life He planned for us from the very beginning. I hope and pray that you will do this and share your testimony of what He does in your life in the months and years to come. #The Adventure Of A Lifetime bro 👍
Wow, I must pay more attention to these things. When did free will and true love get redefined? Note to self: must buy a new dictionary.
"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him" Leviticus 24:16
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death” Revelation 21:8
"Anyone who acts presumptuously and does not obey the priest who officiates there in the ministry of the LORD, your God, or the judge, shall die. Thus shall you purge the evil from Israel". Deuteronomy 17:12
"...whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death..." 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword" Matthew 1:34 (I don't think he was referring to the Charlton badge).
"whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God" John 3:18
"...if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers." Al-Baqarah 2.191
"... if they [unbelievers] neither withdraw, nor offer you peace, nor restrain themselves from fighting you, seize and kill them wherever you encounter them: We give you clear authority against such people". Surat An-Nisa 4:91
"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allāh. But if they turn away [i.e., refuse], then seize them and kill them [for their betrayal] wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper" Surat An-Nisa 4:98
"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allāh and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment" Al-Ma'idah 5:33
But apart from all that..
Anyway, all I said was that piece of fish was good enough for Jehovah
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
Well Ally, even if I was reading from the wrong book, I thought it better to be religious and live a good life unlike the hell bound slags that mocked all religions and their followers.
If God created the entire universe, why would he concern himself with us? We're tiny in the grand scale of things after all.
He's probably off watching some other planet millions of light years away with other life.
I believe He did, yes. Fruits of the "enlightenment" (endarkenment!) - that we see ourselves as nothing more than tiny and pointless in the grand scheme of things. WE are the centre of it all. Here.
Because we are His finest work.
So if some of his work is better than others, you're admitting that God is fallible?
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
Well Ally, even if I was reading from the wrong book, I thought it better to be religious and live a good life unlike the hell bound slags that mocked all religions and their followers.
Another q for all of the religious on here, when you die and you're about to be judged, what if its allah who faces you. Allah asks why did you worship the other guy and not me, because now I need to send you to muslim hell. What would be your answer?
Well Ally, even if I was reading from the wrong book, I thought it better to be religious and live a good life unlike the hell bound slags that mocked all religions and their followers.
If God created the entire universe, why would he concern himself with us? We're tiny in the grand scale of things after all.
He's probably off watching some other planet millions of light years away with other life.
I believe He did, yes. Fruits of the "enlightenment" (endarkenment!) - that we see ourselves as nothing more than tiny and pointless in the grand scheme of things. WE are the centre of it all. Here.
Because we are His finest work.
So if some of his work is better than others, you're admitting that God is fallible?
Very fallible.
I agree with George Carlin and personally worship Joe Pesci.
Sometimes I'm not sure if some threads are windups or humour. I thought this one had the potential for having a bit of fun but now may be we should start insulting a particular posters and get the tread closed
Imagine a conflagration that destroyed, in their entirety, all the religious books and scripts; and all the the scientific knowledge gained by the human race, so that all religious "memory" of the human race and all the scientific knowledge ever discovered, gleaned and shared were fully and permanently destroyed.
Now imagine the human race survives for a couple of hundred years following that destruction.
What do you think would be rediscovered? All the world's religions or all the world's science?
Sometimes I'm not sure if some threads are windups or humour. I thought this one had the potential for having a bit of fun but now may be we should start insulting a particular posters and get the tread closed
I doubt if personally I would get along with @ValleyOfTears, (actually my personality and character means I only get along with a very few people) but VoT has had the courage and honesty to be a bit different on this thread. My experience is that those posters who are not ‘mainstream’, like for example @RonnieMoore, accumulate a large number of the passive/aggressive lol’s and there is often a collection of people who pile on very readily, playing the person and not responding to things they actually write. Maybe it is a God ordained human characteristic for those who think similarly, to feel the confidence to mount attacks if they reckon they’re going to be in the majority and get the backslapping.
Imagine a conflagration that destroyed, in their entirety, all the religious books and scripts; and all the the scientific knowledge gained by the human race, so that all religious "memory" of the human race and all the scientific knowledge ever discovered, gleaned and shared were fully and permanently destroyed.
Now imagine the human race survives for a couple of hundred years following that destruction.
What do you think would be rediscovered? All the world's religions or all the world's science?
Sometimes I'm not sure if some threads are windups or humour. I thought this one had the potential for having a bit of fun but now may be we should start insulting a particular posters and get the tread closed
I doubt if personally I would get along with @ValleyOfTears, (actually my personality and character means I only get along with a very few people) but VoT has had the courage and honesty to be a bit different on this thread. My experience is that those posters who are not ‘mainstream’, like for example @RonnieMoore, accumulate a large number of the passive/aggressive lol’s and there is often a collection of people who pile on very readily, playing the person and not responding to things they actually write. Maybe it is a God ordained human characteristic for those who think similarly, to feel the confidence to mount attacks if they reckon they’re going to be in the majority and get the backslapping.
Sometimes I'm not sure if some threads are windups or humour. I thought this one had the potential for having a bit of fun but now may be we should start insulting a particular posters and get the tread closed
It’s a difficult subject mate, it’s a hate crime waiting to happen.
On balance it surely has to be agreed that religion has done and continues to do more harm than good in the world. Never seen anything to convince me otherwise and it's not got any relevance in modern civilisation.
Going to hell is surely a worthless threat if you aim it at somebody who doesn't believe.
@ValleyOfTears. Isn’t that what conservative Christians believe though? That all unbelievers will go to hell.
I have no idea what political groups of ppl may say with regard hell. Out of love noone would ever want anyone to go there. The methods of how someone conveys this can vary greatly I grant you.
As heartbreaking as it, if some still obstinately reject Salvation then they have made their choice. But cursing people and telling them they are going to hell, no that is not right.
When I said ‘conservative Christians’ I didn’t mean in the political sense but rather in the Bible believing sense. In this context isn’t it a fundamental part of many (not all) Christian’s belief that all ‘unbelievers’ will go to hell when they die? Is it as black & white as that? I apologise if I appear to be belabouring this point but I’m just just trying to get it clear in my head. Thanks.
Very clear as he has said
"If some still obstinately reject Salvation then they have made their choice."
Which is him saying the same thing but trying to appear less agressive and, nasty than previously, having recently come off a tempory ban from Admin.
He is trying to be charming but the underlying threat of eternal damnation is always there from these people as they struggle to comprehend that people might be moral for it's own sake, as the right, human, thing to do, rather than to avoid hell.
What is laughable is that if a person doesn't believe in heaven or hell, as something like 50% and rising of the UK population, then the threat is meaningless.
It's like telling an adult Father Christmas won't come if you're naughty.
Live the one life you have as well as you can. Be kind, do good because it's the right thing to do, not for reward or to avoid punishment in a non-existant afterlife.
Or if you want it in a Charlton context:
"Live, love, laugh and be happy"
I know that Henry. I was just trying to draw him out. I think it is very clear where he stands.
@ValleyOfTears. Thanks for your response. I know you’re sincere in your beliefs but I don’t align with your view of ‘God’.
If God created the entire universe, why would he concern himself with us? We're tiny in the grand scale of things after all.
He's probably off watching some other planet millions of light years away with other life.
I believe He did, yes. Fruits of the "enlightenment" (endarkenment!) - that we see ourselves as nothing more than tiny and pointless in the grand scheme of things. WE are the centre of it all. Here.
Because we are His finest work.
So if some of his work is better than others, you're admitting that God is fallible?
He has given us the faculty to seek Him and know Him and be shaped by Him and so we can be with Him for eternity. The fact that we choose to do otherwise is about the free will He has given us. We can either allow The Potter to mould the clay or we can obstinately refuse to allow this and think we can do a better job ourselves. I think looking around at the state of the world today I would think it fairly clear that such pride leads to a disaster. God is certainly not fallible. But we are.
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This is feral Harry
It was said above that humans are the best.
The top two are cats and Rhino’s
As Ricky Gervais said - I just believe in one less god than you do.
also, I’m assuming I can get a beer in hell?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/06/trump-bible-review
Apparently the pages of the Trump bible a bit sticky according to the reviewer.
Anyway, all I said was that piece of fish was good enough for Jehovah
Now imagine the human race survives for a couple of hundred years following that destruction.
What do you think would be rediscovered? All the world's religions or all the world's science?
My experience is that those posters who are not ‘mainstream’, like for example @RonnieMoore, accumulate a large number of the passive/aggressive lol’s and there is often a collection of people who pile on very readily, playing the person and not responding to things they actually write.
Maybe it is a God ordained human characteristic for those who think similarly, to feel the confidence to mount attacks if they reckon they’re going to be in the majority and get the backslapping.