Sorry if it’s been covered but Ian maatsen has been sold for 37 million, are we genuinely due money from that or is that speculation?
The fee only came if he signed abroad.
Remind me, how do we get a development fee for a player who was only ever on loan to us ?
It was some weird thing to do with how loan clubs play a part in the players development but apparently it is only if they go abroad when sold. Think it wasn’t a huge payment but suggested on here that it was over £100k
I would imagine that whatever the status of the May deal that it will be held off announcement as long as possible so that we have someone else to bring in almost straight away.
Probably very unfair on that player (whoever they are) as they will be associated with an unpopular decision and expected to match May's numbers, fairly or not, but May going and nothing about a replacement at all would be a PR nightmare for our "new" CEO...
Jonny Robinson came in the fill the very big boots of Robert Lee.
Different type of player but he won over the fans.....and some.
It took Robbo at least 3 seasons after signing to start showing signs of the player he became for us.
Birmingham, really? I grew up in coventry and was pleased to say i'd never been to birmingham until this current job, now 3 years ago. And I thought Cov was a shithole 😂
So 2 of the favourites for promotion are both in for him. Can I again ask why on earth we are letting him go?
Relegated clubs are nearly always favourites for promotion, unless they come down with points deductions and/or embargoes.
Perhaps the question to ask is what the three clubs that want Alfie (Charlton, Birmingham and Huddersfield) have had in common in their ownerships the last few years.
Why are the well run clubs not in for him? Why is it the ones with money to spend but are yet to prove they can spend it wisely?
So 2 of the favourites for promotion are both in for him. Can I again ask why on earth we are letting him go?
Relegated clubs are nearly always favourites for promotion, unless they come down with points deductions and/or embargoes.
Perhaps the question to ask is what the three clubs that want Alfie (Charlton, Birmingham and Huddersfield) have had in common in their ownerships the last few years.
Why are the well run clubs not in for him? Why is it the ones with money to spend but are yet to prove they can spend it wisely?
So if we were ‘well run’ like you say and didn’t sign him? We’d be preparing for a league 2 campaign
Birmingham have shitloads of money so are probably just signing him because they can and it makes a statement
But for Huddersfield surely you can see it’s a smart signing that fits the system they are playing and the manager they have?
I’m pretty confident whichever one he signs for will finish above us, and the other probably still will anyway
So 2 of the favourites for promotion are both in for him. Can I again ask why on earth we are letting him go?
Relegated clubs are nearly always favourites for promotion, unless they come down with points deductions and/or embargoes.
Perhaps the question to ask is what the three clubs that want Alfie (Charlton, Birmingham and Huddersfield) have had in common in their ownerships the last few years.
Why are the well run clubs not in for him? Why is it the ones with money to spend but are yet to prove they can spend it wisely?
So if we were ‘well run’ like you say and didn’t sign him? We’d be preparing for a league 2 campaign
Birmingham have shitloads of money so are probably just signing him because they can and it makes a statement
But for Huddersfield surely you can see it’s a smart signing that fits the system they are playing and the manager they have?
I’m pretty confident whichever one he signs for will finish above us, and the other probably still will anyway
It’s never a case of Alfie or nothing. Like some seem to think if he wasn’t around we’d have spent the season playing with 10 men…
To answer the question… Depends how far you want to go back but if the club was well run, we’d have never resigned Chuks for a start. We’d have a proper target man that can stay fit, hold up the ball and keep the pressure off the defenders.
We would have prioritised bringing in better than resigning Hector and Thomas because they were just there and we’d already blown most of the budget on Alfie… etc etc
Mitchell and Edwards etc. are not sexy signings like a goalscorer is. But they’ll be just as impactful in terms of winning games.
So 2 of the favourites for promotion are both in for him. Can I again ask why on earth we are letting him go?
Relegated clubs are nearly always favourites for promotion, unless they come down with points deductions and/or embargoes.
Perhaps the question to ask is what the three clubs that want Alfie (Charlton, Birmingham and Huddersfield) have had in common in their ownerships the last few years.
Why are the well run clubs not in for him? Why is it the ones with money to spend but are yet to prove they can spend it wisely?
So if we were ‘well run’ like you say and didn’t sign him? We’d be preparing for a league 2 campaign
Birmingham have shitloads of money so are probably just signing him because they can and it makes a statement
But for Huddersfield surely you can see it’s a smart signing that fits the system they are playing and the manager they have?
I’m pretty confident whichever one he signs for will finish above us, and the other probably still will anyway
It’s never a case of Alfie or nothing. Like some seem to think if he wasn’t around we’d have spent the season playing with 10 men…
To answer the question… Depends how far you want to go back but if the club was well run, we’d have never resigned Chuks for a start. We’d have a proper target man that can stay fit, hold up the ball and keep the pressure off the defenders.
We would have prioritised bringing in better than resigning Hector and Thomas because they were just there and we’d already blown most of the budget on Alfie… etc etc
Mitchell and Edwards etc. are not sexy signings like a goalscorer is. But they’ll be just as impactful in terms of winning games.
You genuinely don't know that. You HOPE that. Alfie May guarantees goals and ergo.... points.
So 2 of the favourites for promotion are both in for him. Can I again ask why on earth we are letting him go?
Relegated clubs are nearly always favourites for promotion, unless they come down with points deductions and/or embargoes.
Perhaps the question to ask is what the three clubs that want Alfie (Charlton, Birmingham and Huddersfield) have had in common in their ownerships the last few years.
Why are the well run clubs not in for him? Why is it the ones with money to spend but are yet to prove they can spend it wisely?
So if we were ‘well run’ like you say and didn’t sign him? We’d be preparing for a league 2 campaign
Birmingham have shitloads of money so are probably just signing him because they can and it makes a statement
But for Huddersfield surely you can see it’s a smart signing that fits the system they are playing and the manager they have?
I’m pretty confident whichever one he signs for will finish above us, and the other probably still will anyway
It’s never a case of Alfie or nothing. Like some seem to think if he wasn’t around we’d have spent the season playing with 10 men…
To answer the question… Depends how far you want to go back but if the club was well run, we’d have never resigned Chuks for a start. We’d have a proper target man that can stay fit, hold up the ball and keep the pressure off the defenders.
We would have prioritised bringing in better than resigning Hector and Thomas because they were just there and we’d already blown most of the budget on Alfie… etc etc
Mitchell and Edwards etc. are not sexy signings like a goalscorer is. But they’ll be just as impactful in terms of winning games.
You genuinely don't know that. You HOPE that. Alfie May guarantees goals and ergo.... points.
Well precisely. That sounds good when he’s actually scoring.
Alfie May didn’t guarantee goals between December and February (1 goal in a 15 game stretch) and we didn’t pick up a win during that time. That’s the point, he goes off the boil and we’re in the shit.
Spread responsibility around the squad and insulate yourself from that happening again.
So 2 of the favourites for promotion are both in for him. Can I again ask why on earth we are letting him go?
Relegated clubs are nearly always favourites for promotion, unless they come down with points deductions and/or embargoes.
Perhaps the question to ask is what the three clubs that want Alfie (Charlton, Birmingham and Huddersfield) have had in common in their ownerships the last few years.
Why are the well run clubs not in for him? Why is it the ones with money to spend but are yet to prove they can spend it wisely?
So if we were ‘well run’ like you say and didn’t sign him? We’d be preparing for a league 2 campaign
Birmingham have shitloads of money so are probably just signing him because they can and it makes a statement
But for Huddersfield surely you can see it’s a smart signing that fits the system they are playing and the manager they have?
I’m pretty confident whichever one he signs for will finish above us, and the other probably still will anyway
It’s never a case of Alfie or nothing. Like some seem to think if he wasn’t around we’d have spent the season playing with 10 men…
To answer the question… Depends how far you want to go back but if the club was well run, we’d have never resigned Chuks for a start. We’d have a proper target man that can stay fit, hold up the ball and keep the pressure off the defenders.
We would have prioritised bringing in better than resigning Hector and Thomas because they were just there and we’d already blown most of the budget on Alfie… etc etc
Mitchell and Edwards etc. are not sexy signings like a goalscorer is. But they’ll be just as impactful in terms of winning games.
You genuinely don't know that. You HOPE that. Alfie May guarantees goals and ergo.... points.
Well precisely. That sounds good when he’s actually scoring.
Alfie May didn’t guarantee goals between December and February (1 goal in a 15 game stretch) and we didn’t pick up a win during that time. That’s the point, he goes off the boil and we’re in the shit.
Spread responsibility around the squad and insulate yourself from that happening again.
Why don’t we spread responsibility around the squad and also keep the golden boot winner? They don’t have to be mutually exclusive
If you play May in his best position he will score goals. In that run, Appleton was being a complete idiot and playing him on the wing or up front on his own
It’d be very nice to stop all this sniping amongst fans with the arrival of 5/6 starting 11 quality players, just so we could discuss something else for a while.
The sun is shining, the birds are singing, rather than having zero rumours on here today, and 200 posts about Alfie May, can we not just close the thread for a day?
Or move on to who our new strikers will be - one being a replacement and another as we needed one regardless of whether May was sold.
Cawley said we wanted signings sorted first so we should be close to at least one new striker.
Ahadme, Etete and Godden have been mentioned, any other realistic alternatives? I’m ignoring the strikers linked by nonsense Twitter accounts.
That's been Rich's line all along tbf, but doesn't sound like we've got any one lined up at as an advanced stage as bids being accepted.
Re Maatsen his player passport will show all clubs he’s been with since he was 12 and all will get a slice as they played a part in his development. But only if he move overseas
If you are using pro-rata to win your argument then Ahadma who we are rumoured to be after scored 11 in 19 games last season, so hes a perfect replacement for Alfie, he would of scored 26,
I posted this on the Alfie May thread yesterday, but i thought i'd share it again here.
Charlton don't do promotions without a goal scorer, it's a fact. To move May on without a proven goal scorer coming in lacks ambition and we are right to question Jones and the owners.
28/29 - Fred Whitlow 26 34/35 - Ralph Alan 33 35/36 - Harrold Hobbis 23 74/75 - Derek Hales 21 80/81 - Derek Hales 23 85/85 - Jimmy Melrose* (pro-rata) 20 97/98 - Clive Mendonca 28 99/00 - Andy Hunt 25 11/12 - Bradley Wright-Phillips 22 18/19 - Lyle Taylor 25
*Melrose's debut was on the 29th of March against Millwall in a 2-2 draw at the Draw
I'm not using pro-rata to win an argument, just facts.
Melrose scored 17 goals the following season for Charlton. In the league above and against much harder opposition. He was a proven goal scorer.
I'm telling you now, Charlton won't go up without a 20+ goal scorer.
Sorry if it’s been covered but Ian maatsen has been sold for 37 million, are we genuinely due money from that or is that speculation?
The fee only came if he signed abroad.
Remind me, how do we get a development fee for a player who was only ever on loan to us ?
It was some weird thing to do with how loan clubs play a part in the players development but apparently it is only if they go abroad when sold. Think it wasn’t a huge payment but suggested on here that it was over £100k
Mart, I'm not saying you are wrong but I have never heard of that regulation and would be stunned if true.
If you are using pro-rata to win your argument then Ahadma who we are rumoured to be after scored 11 in 19 games last season, so hes a perfect replacement for Alfie, he would of scored 26,
I posted this on the Alfie May thread yesterday, but i thought i'd share it again here.
Charlton don't do promotions without a goal scorer, it's a fact. To move May on without a proven goal scorer coming in lacks ambition and we are right to question Jones and the owners.
28/29 - Fred Whitlow 26 34/35 - Ralph Alan 33 35/36 - Harrold Hobbis 23 74/75 - Derek Hales 21 80/81 - Derek Hales 23 85/85 - Jimmy Melrose* (pro-rata) 20 97/98 - Clive Mendonca 28 99/00 - Andy Hunt 25 11/12 - Bradley Wright-Phillips 22 18/19 - Lyle Taylor 25
*Melrose's debut was on the 29th of March against Millwall in a 2-2 draw at the Draw
I'm not using pro-rata to win an argument, just facts.
Melrose scored 17 goals the following season for Charlton. In the league above and against much harder opposition. He was a proven goal scorer.
I'm telling you now, Charlton won't go up without a 20+ goal scorer.
You sound like me.
However, for me it goes deeper. Its not just about losing our top goalscorer but it's the fact we still need to sign a number of players that can score from midfield as well as create a number of chances for others. Last season we had neither. I realise we signed Berry but we need more than just one new midfielder.
Until I see 3 or 4 of these I fear we are in for another disappointing season.
If you are using pro-rata to win your argument then Ahadma who we are rumoured to be after scored 11 in 19 games last season, so hes a perfect replacement for Alfie, he would of scored 26,
I posted this on the Alfie May thread yesterday, but i thought i'd share it again here.
Charlton don't do promotions without a goal scorer, it's a fact. To move May on without a proven goal scorer coming in lacks ambition and we are right to question Jones and the owners.
28/29 - Fred Whitlow 26 34/35 - Ralph Alan 33 35/36 - Harrold Hobbis 23 74/75 - Derek Hales 21 80/81 - Derek Hales 23 85/85 - Jimmy Melrose* (pro-rata) 20 97/98 - Clive Mendonca 28 99/00 - Andy Hunt 25 11/12 - Bradley Wright-Phillips 22 18/19 - Lyle Taylor 25
*Melrose's debut was on the 29th of March against Millwall in a 2-2 draw at the Draw
I'm not using pro-rata to win an argument, just facts.
Melrose scored 17 goals the following season for Charlton. In the league above and against much harder opposition. He was a proven goal scorer.
I'm telling you now, Charlton won't go up without a 20+ goal scorer.
John Pearson scored 14 league goals in 1985/1986 and was Charlton’s top league goal scorer
If you are using pro-rata to win your argument then Ahadma who we are rumoured to be after scored 11 in 19 games last season, so hes a perfect replacement for Alfie, he would of scored 26,
I posted this on the Alfie May thread yesterday, but i thought i'd share it again here.
Charlton don't do promotions without a goal scorer, it's a fact. To move May on without a proven goal scorer coming in lacks ambition and we are right to question Jones and the owners.
28/29 - Fred Whitlow 26 34/35 - Ralph Alan 33 35/36 - Harrold Hobbis 23 74/75 - Derek Hales 21 80/81 - Derek Hales 23 85/85 - Jimmy Melrose* (pro-rata) 20 97/98 - Clive Mendonca 28 99/00 - Andy Hunt 25 11/12 - Bradley Wright-Phillips 22 18/19 - Lyle Taylor 25
*Melrose's debut was on the 29th of March against Millwall in a 2-2 draw at the Draw
I'm not using pro-rata to win an argument, just facts.
Melrose scored 17 goals the following season for Charlton. In the league above and against much harder opposition. He was a proven goal scorer.
I'm telling you now, Charlton won't go up without a 20+ goal scorer.
You sound like me.
However, for me it goes deeper. Its not just about losing our top goalscorer but it's the fact we still need to sign a number of players that can score from midfield as well as create a number of chances for others. Last season we had neither. I realise we signed Berry but we need more than just one new midfielder.
Until I see 3 or 4 of these I fear we are in for another disappointing season.
I sound like you, Golfie?
@AFKABartram please remove me from the forum with an immediate life ban.
Sorry if it’s been covered but Ian maatsen has been sold for 37 million, are we genuinely due money from that or is that speculation?
The fee only came if he signed abroad.
Remind me, how do we get a development fee for a player who was only ever on loan to us ?
It was some weird thing to do with how loan clubs play a part in the players development but apparently it is only if they go abroad when sold. Think it wasn’t a huge payment but suggested on here that it was over £100k
Mart, I'm not saying you are wrong but I have never heard of that regulation and would be stunned if true.
It’s called a Solidarity Payment and it’s from FIFA
If you are using pro-rata to win your argument then Ahadma who we are rumoured to be after scored 11 in 19 games last season, so hes a perfect replacement for Alfie, he would of scored 26,
I posted this on the Alfie May thread yesterday, but i thought i'd share it again here.
Charlton don't do promotions without a goal scorer, it's a fact. To move May on without a proven goal scorer coming in lacks ambition and we are right to question Jones and the owners.
28/29 - Fred Whitlow 26 34/35 - Ralph Alan 33 35/36 - Harrold Hobbis 23 74/75 - Derek Hales 21 80/81 - Derek Hales 23 85/85 - Jimmy Melrose* (pro-rata) 20 97/98 - Clive Mendonca 28 99/00 - Andy Hunt 25 11/12 - Bradley Wright-Phillips 22 18/19 - Lyle Taylor 25
*Melrose's debut was on the 29th of March against Millwall in a 2-2 draw at the Draw
I'm not using pro-rata to win an argument, just facts.
Melrose scored 17 goals the following season for Charlton. In the league above and against much harder opposition. He was a proven goal scorer.
I'm telling you now, Charlton won't go up without a 20+ goal scorer.
You sound like me.
However, for me it goes deeper. Its not just about losing our top goalscorer but it's the fact we still need to sign a number of players that can score from midfield as well as create a number of chances for others. Last season we had neither. I realise we signed Berry but we need more than just one new midfielder.
Until I see 3 or 4 of these I fear we are in for another disappointing season.
I sound you, Golfie?
@AFKABartram please remove me from the forum with an immediate life ban.
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Perhaps the question to ask is what the three clubs that want Alfie (Charlton, Birmingham and Huddersfield) have had in common in their ownerships the last few years.
Why are the well run clubs not in for him? Why is it the ones with money to spend but are yet to prove they can spend it wisely?
Not something I was aware of but it came from a qualified football agent so inclined to believe.
Birmingham have shitloads of money so are probably just signing him because they can and it makes a statement
But for Huddersfield surely you can see it’s a smart signing that fits the system they are playing and the manager they have?
To answer the question… Depends how far you want to go back but if the club was well run, we’d have never resigned Chuks for a start. We’d have a proper target man that can stay fit, hold up the ball and keep the pressure off the defenders.
We would have prioritised bringing in better than resigning Hector and Thomas because they were just there and we’d already blown most of the budget on Alfie… etc etc
Mitchell and Edwards etc. are not sexy signings like a goalscorer is. But they’ll be just as impactful in terms of winning games.
Alfie May guarantees goals and ergo.... points.
Alfie May didn’t guarantee goals between December and February (1 goal in a 15 game stretch) and we didn’t pick up a win during that time. That’s the point, he goes off the boil and we’re in the shit.
Spread responsibility around the squad and insulate yourself from that happening again.
If you play May in his best position he will score goals. In that run, Appleton was being a complete idiot and playing him on the wing or up front on his own
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/solidarityFeeCalculator/index
I'm not using pro-rata to win an argument, just facts.
Melrose scored 17 goals the following season for Charlton. In the league above and against much harder opposition. He was a proven goal scorer.
I'm telling you now, Charlton won't go up without a 20+ goal scorer.
However, for me it goes deeper. Its not just about losing our top goalscorer but it's the fact we still need to sign a number of players that can score from midfield as well as create a number of chances for others. Last season we had neither. I realise we signed Berry but we need more than just one new midfielder.
Until I see 3 or 4 of these I fear we are in for another disappointing season.
@AFKABartram please remove me from the forum with an immediate life ban.
https://wdassocies.com/en/fifa-solidarity-contribution
but ot applicable if the player moves to a different country