The interviewer needs to press Southgate there. What is this strange environment we are playing in?
Southgate strikes me as a dead man walking here. He is coming across as lost.
Also said to 5Live “operating in unusual circumstances” apparently.
I think he's just probably just whinging about criticism they're getting but not sure.
""We’ve made England over the last six or seven years fun again. I think it has been enjoyable for the players. We’ve got to be very, very careful that it stays that way.""
""I have to deal with what I am dealing with. I was not going to back away from going over to thank people for coming and giving the support that they did, but I know that this is causing an issue for the group.""
"I understand the narrative towards me and that's better for the team than it being towards them. But it is creating an unusual environment to operate in. I've not seen any other team qualify and receive similar."
The interviewer needs to press Southgate there. What is this strange environment we are playing in?
Southgate strikes me as a dead man walking here. He is coming across as lost.
Also said to 5Live “operating in unusual circumstances” apparently.
I think he's just probably just whinging about criticism they're getting but not sure.
""We’ve made England over the last six or seven years fun again. I think it has been enjoyable for the players. We’ve got to be very, very careful that it stays that way.""
""I have to deal with what I am dealing with. I was not going to back away from going over to thank people for coming and giving the support that they did, but I know that this is causing an issue for the group.""
"I understand the narrative towards me and that's better for the team than it being towards them. But it is creating an unusual environment to operate in. I've not seen any other team qualify and receive similar."
Blaming the fans for booing is a new one.
Touch of the Rooney "Nice to see your own fans booing you" about it.
We’ve been given a bye to the final again if we don’t have Holland the rest a proper load of shit
Think it’s highly likely that the path is going to be Netherlands -> Italy -> Belgium. Not as easy as that screenshot makes it look but far more preferable to playing Germany, Spain or France.
Having watched England in World Cups and Euros from 1966 I reckon this is the match when we’re all expecting us to be crap, but we’ll have our game of the tournament.
Pretty grim reading for the entire group if we had conceded an equaliser to Serbia.
Imagine 6 games, 6 draws, each team with two scored and two conceded.
Serbia will be gutted to have gone out of such a tight group with a whimper. I hadn't realised that Denmark only finished ahead of Slovenia on a better disciplinary record.
Southgate can't understand why the fans were booing at the end of the game. If he can't understand that what hope have we got that he will change things.
It’s really hard to understand what has gone so wrong the past few months. Something has felt a little off ever since the friendlies against Brazil and Belgium in March.
Southgate’s tactics? Of course the buck stops with the manager so he has to take responsibility.
But the players surely have to be called out on their drastically low performances. The struggle to take a decent first touch or make a simple five yard pass. No matter what tactic is set for them, these players are more than capable of the basics.
I’ve been a Southgate supporter for a while, as the results have largely outshone the performances with decent consistency across tournaments. It’s hard to watch this and defend it though. I guess the only defence is the fact that we haven’t lost and have topped the group.
My hope is that a big, crunch knockout game will inspire a spark of motivation in the team. Beating a team like Netherlands early in the tournament could be a blessing if we pull it off.
Something tells me we’ll still get further than people expect - whether it’s entertaining or not though is another thing.
I’ve been a Southgate supporter for a while, as the results have largely outshone the performances with decent consistency across tournaments. It’s hard to watch this and defend it though. I guess the only defence is the fact that we haven’t lost and have topped the group.
Me too, I also think only taking Shaw at LB is absolutely inexcusable.
Substitutions have been utterly ridiculous too, he seems to have become even more stubborn.
I have been one of Southgate's biggest critics but I felt this was a bit better from England. We played against a team with no ambition to score and who defended resolutely with players always behind the ball. The issue for England is a big part of their game is getting behind teams which was difficult the way Slovenia set up.
Having said that, I am still critical of Southgate. Do you need two centre halves in this type of game? Why not play Stones in that quasi midfield role he has done for Man City or replace Guehi with a midfielder. That gives you an extra body which helps against the tactics of this sort of opponents. He has to solve the left side issue and Gordon may be the solution but it probably means dropping Foden in this formation. Mainoo has earned a starting place in the next game for me.
Maybe play Trent as right back and even consider Walker replacing Trippier on the left. The slow, slow passing is fine as long as you can speed it up suddenly but England have struggled to do this in this tournament. Yesterdays opponents may have been more vulnerable to players who can go past them rather than pass past them.
I’ve been a Southgate supporter for a while, as the results have largely outshone the performances with decent consistency across tournaments. It’s hard to watch this and defend it though. I guess the only defence is the fact that we haven’t lost and have topped the group.
Me too, I also think only taking Shaw at LB is absolutely inexcusable.
Substitutions have been utterly ridiculous too, he seems to have become even more stubborn.
In a squad of 26, most of whom won't get used anyway, you can probably afford to take 1 player who is a gamble, so i don't see taking Shaw as an issue. The problem is not taking any other naturally left sided full back, so we are now having to play Trippier and (for a few minutes last night) Trent there.
I'd be interested to know if Trent has ever played at left back in his life and if not then why does Southgate think a European championship is the time to try that? I'd honestly rather have taken someone like Mitchell at Palace or even Chilwell who at least know the role and won't slow play down by having to come back inside every time, than sticking right footed players there.
I’ve been a Southgate supporter for a while, as the results have largely outshone the performances with decent consistency across tournaments. It’s hard to watch this and defend it though. I guess the only defence is the fact that we haven’t lost and have topped the group.
Me too, I also think only taking Shaw at LB is absolutely inexcusable.
Substitutions have been utterly ridiculous too, he seems to have become even more stubborn.
In a squad of 26, most of whom won't get used anyway, you can probably afford to take 1 player who is a gamble, so i don't see taking Shaw as an issue. The problem is not taking any other naturally left sided full back, so we are now having to play Trippier and (for a few minutes last night) Trent there.
I'd be interested to know if Trent has ever played at left back in his life and if not then why does Southgate think a European championship is the time to try that? I'd honestly rather have taken someone like Mitchell at Palace or even Chilwell who at least know the role and won't slow play down by having to come back inside every time, than sticking right footed players there.
Walker went out on the left, not Walker. Still not left footed granted
Shows how much attention i was paying then. But yes Walker there is no better, i doubt he's played left back much/ever either to be honest so i guess my original point about a natural left footer still stands.
It is disappointing but international football is often like this especially for highly rated teams against teams who ’park the bus.’
France have been just as disappointing to their fans but they didn’t boo the players. I think that fans booing the players at an international tournament is an embarrassment to the nation.
’Ridiculous’ is currently the most overused and misused word in the English language. Now is the time it can be used correctly because travelling there to boo the team is the very definition of the word. I doubt it’s all the fans - there was even a flag saying ’in Southgate we trust’ - but to the fans who booed I would ask ’what’s the point?' In 2010 we had Rooney shouting back at them. This team are more diplomatic but I’m sure that they would rather be without any fans at all and play to a stadium full of opposition fans, and that’s a far bigger shame than the performances.
The players havent looked up to the class we expect (or rather told to expect) but the manner in which we play? Thats on Southgate he isnt forcing change, our left is virtually non existent with Foden more often than not wanting to come central where we have Bellingham and Kane standing around waiting for him to run into them.
Slow, ponderous build up isnt something the players have decided to play themselves, the Spanish comms mentioned something about out TikiTaka last night and there's your problem, we're still trying to master the 2008-2012 Spanish way of playing but England players fail to (or simply cant) understand how to move into space and make themselves available, so we sideways and back pass it before jumbling up in the central attacking area with Kane Foden and Bellingham getting in each others way.
Bench Foden, sub on for when Bellingham fades, get another winger on and make like newer Spain...
I’ve been a Southgate supporter for a while, as the results have largely outshone the performances with decent consistency across tournaments. It’s hard to watch this and defend it though. I guess the only defence is the fact that we haven’t lost and have topped the group.
Me too, I also think only taking Shaw at LB is absolutely inexcusable.
Substitutions have been utterly ridiculous too, he seems to have become even more stubborn.
In a squad of 26, most of whom won't get used anyway, you can probably afford to take 1 player who is a gamble, so i don't see taking Shaw as an issue. The problem is not taking any other naturally left sided full back, so we are now having to play Trippier and (for a few minutes last night) Trent there.
Yeah, thats what I was trying to say, taking Shaw was worth the risk, but a backup was needed.
It is disappointing but international football is often like this especially for highly rated teams against teams who ’park the bus.’
France have been just as disappointing to their fans but they didn’t boo the players. I think that fans booing the players at an international tournament is an embarrassment to the nation.
’Ridiculous’ is currently the most overused and misused word in the English language. Now is the time it can be used correctly because travelling there to boo the team is the very definition of the word. I doubt it’s all the fans - there was even a flag saying ’in Southgate we trust’ - but to the fans who booed I would ask ’what’s the point?' In 2010 we had Rooney shouting back at them. This team are more diplomatic but I’m sure that they would rather be without any fans at all and play to a stadium full of opposition fans, and that’s a far bigger shame than the performances.
We've had three very poor performances - nothing for the fans to get behind. Are the players or Southgate seriously expecting praise for such mediocrity?
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I think he's just probably just whinging about criticism they're getting but not sure.
""I have to deal with what I am dealing with. I was not going to back away from going over to thank people for coming and giving the support that they did, but I know that this is causing an issue for the group.""
"I understand the narrative towards me and that's better for the team than it being towards them. But it is creating an unusual environment to operate in. I've not seen any other team qualify and receive similar."
90 mins of pure boredom
Touch of the Rooney "Nice to see your own fans booing you" about it.
Imagine 6 games, 6 draws, each team with two scored and two conceded.
My hope is that a big, crunch knockout game will inspire a spark of motivation in the team. Beating a team like Netherlands early in the tournament could be a blessing if we pull it off.
Substitutions have been utterly ridiculous too, he seems to have become even more stubborn.
Having said that, I am still critical of Southgate. Do you need two centre halves in this type of game? Why not play Stones in that quasi midfield role he has done for Man City or replace Guehi with a midfielder. That gives you an extra body which helps against the tactics of this sort of opponents. He has to solve the left side issue and Gordon may be the solution but it probably means dropping Foden in this formation. Mainoo has earned a starting place in the next game for me.
Maybe play Trent as right back and even consider Walker replacing Trippier on the left. The slow, slow passing is fine as long as you can speed it up suddenly but England have struggled to do this in this tournament. Yesterdays opponents may have been more vulnerable to players who can go past them rather than pass past them.
I don't agree ?
89 minutes of boredom until Gordon played that through ball which the subs all had a part in.
I'd be interested to know if Trent has ever played at left back in his life and if not then why does Southgate think a European championship is the time to try that? I'd honestly rather have taken someone like Mitchell at Palace or even Chilwell who at least know the role and won't slow play down by having to come back inside every time, than sticking right footed players there.
France have been just as disappointing to their fans but they didn’t boo the players.
I think that fans booing the players at an international tournament is an embarrassment to the nation.
’Ridiculous’ is currently the most overused and misused word in the English language. Now is the time it can be used correctly because travelling there to boo the team is the very definition of the word. I doubt it’s all the fans - there was even a flag saying ’in Southgate we trust’ - but to the fans who booed I would ask ’what’s the point?' In 2010 we had Rooney shouting back at them. This team are more diplomatic but I’m sure that they would rather be without any fans at all and play to a stadium full of opposition fans, and that’s a far bigger shame than the performances.
Slow, ponderous build up isnt something the players have decided to play themselves, the Spanish comms mentioned something about out TikiTaka last night and there's your problem, we're still trying to master the 2008-2012 Spanish way of playing but England players fail to (or simply cant) understand how to move into space and make themselves available, so we sideways and back pass it before jumbling up in the central attacking area with Kane Foden and Bellingham getting in each others way.
Bench Foden, sub on for when Bellingham fades, get another winger on and make like newer Spain...
Bah, anyway, I just wish we had Kalvin Philips