Heard a stat on the US commentary last night that through two and a half games, Foden connected with Kane for only one pass throughout the tournament so far. Foden and Pickford, two passes.
It doesn’t really help when two of our main attacking threats are playing on different planets.
The two of them appear incapable of playing together for whatever reason.
They're often trying to play in the same space and drawing opposition players to them. Doesn't help that Trippier seems terrified of running more than 5 yards with the ball though
Heard a stat on the US commentary last night that through two and a half games, Foden connected with Kane for only one pass throughout the tournament so far. Foden and Pickford, two passes.
It doesn’t really help when two of our main attacking threats are playing on different planets.
The two of them appear incapable of playing together for whatever reason.
They're often trying to play in the same space and drawing opposition players to them. Doesn't help that Trippier seems terrified of running more than 5 yards with the ball though
That might explain a lower than average number but only 1 pass in almost 300 minutes? That clearly hints at something else going on IMO.
There is obviously something very very wrong in the England camp. You can tell from the post match interviews. Absolutely no enthusiasm from anyone. The closest thing I can relate it to would be our period under Appleton when he was coming out with how well we did getting a point against a top top team like Burton or some shit like that. The players are so obviously spouting the usual guff but no way are they happy imo. Fortunately they can turn this around as a group and it really wouldnt suprise me if they did but someone in the senior player ranks needs to take control of the situation otherwise its just another missed opportunity as Southgate isnt going to change much under his own free will
Heard a stat on the US commentary last night that through two and a half games, Foden connected with Kane for only one pass throughout the tournament so far. Foden and Pickford, two passes.
It doesn’t really help when two of our main attacking threats are playing on different planets.
The two of them appear incapable of playing together for whatever reason.
They're often trying to play in the same space and drawing opposition players to them. Doesn't help that Trippier seems terrified of running more than 5 yards with the ball though
That might explain a lower than average number but only 1 pass in almost 300 minutes? That clearly hints at something else going on IMO.
I agree, would be interested to see the numbers between Kane & Foden/Bellingham too. Suspect they would also be very low
Can someone explain the process of who we are likely get in the next game? . I can’t get my head around it .
I know it will be Netherlands or the team that finishes third in this afternoon’s group but how is the choice between those two decided ?
I wouldn't worry about it too much mate, we'll no doubt lose whoever it is.
I actually think we’ll beat the Dutch . The way they play will suit us perfectly. The likes of Romania , Slovakia and Ukraine will be just like the last three games and we’ll struggle with Southgate’s team and formation .
The Dutch are a slow and stodgy team as well. I can see that game being a thriller, not.
Can someone explain the process of who we are likely get in the next game? . I can’t get my head around it .
I know it will be Netherlands or the team that finishes third in this afternoon’s group but how is the choice between those two decided ?
UEFA has a list of combinations prepared before the tournament to cover all 15 possibilities. Whether you’re the best third placed team or the fourth best third place team is irrelevant to where you end up for the knockout round - it’s the combination of four (currently ACDE but could change after today) that determines it.
The idea being to keep teams that qualified out of the same group as far apart as possible. For example, England are in the bottom quarter, Denmark are in the top quarter and Slovenia can be placed in either of the middle two quarters depending on who qualifies today.
To think of it another way, England’s quarter was set up to have teams from Groups A (Switzerland), B (Italy) and C (England) in it before the tournament started, so the third placed team for that quarter could come from D, E or F. All combinations for F to be in that quarter are off the table now so it’s D or E only.
Thanks for that but that might as well have been in Japanese !
Can someone explain the process of who we are likely get in the next game? . I can’t get my head around it .
I know it will be Netherlands or the team that finishes third in this afternoon’s group but how is the choice between those two decided ?
UEFA has a list of combinations prepared before the tournament to cover all 15 possibilities. Whether you’re the best third placed team or the fourth best third place team is irrelevant to where you end up for the knockout round - it’s the combination of four (currently ACDE but could change after today) that determines it.
The idea being to keep teams that qualified out of the same group as far apart as possible. For example, England are in the bottom quarter, Denmark are in the top quarter and Slovenia can be placed in either of the middle two quarters depending on who qualifies today.
To think of it another way, England’s quarter was set up to have teams from Groups A (Switzerland), B (Italy) and C (England) in it before the tournament started, so the third placed team for that quarter could come from D, E or F. All combinations for F to be in that quarter are off the table now so it’s D or E only.
Thanks for that but that might as well have in Japanese !
Likewise - I'm just going to wait until the nice man on the telly tells me who we are playing on Sunday.
What the should probably do IMO, is have a draw for all the upcoming games. It would add a bit of suspense and excitement and if they want to keep the best teams apart they could base it on seedings as they did in the initial draw.
Can someone explain the process of who we are likely get in the next game? . I can’t get my head around it .
I know it will be Netherlands or the team that finishes third in this afternoon’s group but how is the choice between those two decided ?
UEFA has a list of combinations prepared before the tournament to cover all 15 possibilities. Whether you’re the best third placed team or the fourth best third place team is irrelevant to where you end up for the knockout round - it’s the combination of four (currently ACDE but could change after today) that determines it.
The idea being to keep teams that qualified out of the same group as far apart as possible. For example, England are in the bottom quarter, Denmark are in the top quarter and Slovenia can be placed in either of the middle two quarters depending on who qualifies today.
To think of it another way, England’s quarter was set up to have teams from Groups A (Switzerland), B (Italy) and C (England) in it before the tournament started, so the third placed team for that quarter could come from D, E or F. All combinations for F to be in that quarter are off the table now so it’s D or E only.
Thanks for that but that might as well have been in Japanese !
Can someone explain the process of who we are likely get in the next game? . I can’t get my head around it .
I know it will be Netherlands or the team that finishes third in this afternoon’s group but how is the choice between those two decided ?
UEFA has a list of combinations prepared before the tournament to cover all 15 possibilities. Whether you’re the best third placed team or the fourth best third place team is irrelevant to where you end up for the knockout round - it’s the combination of four (currently ACDE but could change after today) that determines it.
The idea being to keep teams that qualified out of the same group as far apart as possible. For example, England are in the bottom quarter, Denmark are in the top quarter and Slovenia can be placed in either of the middle two quarters depending on who qualifies today.
To think of it another way, England’s quarter was set up to have teams from Groups A (Switzerland), B (Italy) and C (England) in it before the tournament started, so the third placed team for that quarter could come from D, E or F. All combinations for F to be in that quarter are off the table now so it’s D or E only.
Thanks for that but that might as well have been in Japanese !
…really? What’s complicated about it?
Just the bit that starts with UEFA and ends with Only. Don't worry it's me not you. Reading that is like trying to understand Algebra and i never could get Algebra.
Heard a stat on the US commentary last night that through two and a half games, Foden connected with Kane for only one pass throughout the tournament so far. Foden and Pickford, two passes.
It doesn’t really help when two of our main attacking threats are playing on different planets.
The two of them appear incapable of playing together for whatever reason.
Not only has Foden barely given Kane the ball, he's norsed up about 50% of what could have been Kane chances by ineptly getting in the way, usually dawdling about in the middle half a beat behind the pace(!) of the game Foden took it to a whole new level last night by repeatedly getting in Bellingham's way too on the few occasions even he ventured forward PF looks to be seeking out some wonder pass or showstopping contribution when all that is required is some positive football and movement into space Maybe PF is flat out knackered If he ain't then I'd be doubting how many fcuks he gives about this tournament Either way he wouldn't be starting the next game were I picking the side - Only withering cowardice is preventing Southgate from following suit, he just ain't got the plums to leave out the big names irrespective of dismal form and he lives in sleepless terror of the tabloid cacophony that could result. Talent and potential are worth naff all without application but that carries no weight with GS
Word from the team hotel is that bandage around his right hand is to stop him braining himself - his right middle finger is usually to be found jammed up his hooter, obsessively rooting out whatever lurks therein, the physio is terrified PF will get the ball bang into his kisser with digit in situ resulting in a potentially messy auto-lobotomy incident. Beyond a distressing amount of claret thus released it ain't clear how much damage would actually be sustained to the Foden capacity!
Sunday's fixture at best will provide two hours extra shuteye after a few hot sleep deprived nights.
UPDATE: Foden's gone home for the birth of his 3rd sprog. GS trembling hand might get forced after all...
Foden is the Premier League player of the year. If I was going to play him, and I most probably would, I would try to play him as close to the position where he won that award playing. Seeing as Bellingham is perfectly comfortable playing in the central midfield opposed to as a number 10, it would be different if he wasn't, but seeing as he is, it seems a simple issue to sort out in itself. To be fair to Southgate, he may have thought Foden could be effective there but surely now he has seen that he isn't so no need to be stubbon about it or indeed drop the lad.
Heard a stat on the US commentary last night that through two and a half games, Foden connected with Kane for only one pass throughout the tournament so far. Foden and Pickford, two passes.
It doesn’t really help when two of our main attacking threats are playing on different planets.
The two of them appear incapable of playing together for whatever reason.
Not only has Foden barely given Kane the ball, he's norsed up about 50% of what could have been Kane chances by ineptly getting in the way, usually dawdling about in the middle half a beat behind the pace(!) of the game Foden took it to a whole new level last night by repeatedly getting in Bellingham's way too on the few occasions even he ventured forward PF looks to be seeking out some wonder pass or showstopping contribution when all that is required is some positive football and movement into space Maybe PF is flat out knackered If he ain't then I'd be doubting how many fcuks he gives about this tournament Either way he wouldn't be starting the next game were I picking the side - Only withering cowardice is preventing Southgate from following suit, he just ain't got the plums to leave out the big names irrespective of dismal form and he lives in sleepless terror of the tabloid cacophony that could result. Talent and potential are worth naff all without application but that carries no weight with GS
Word from the team hotel is that bandage around his right hand is to stop him braining himself - his right middle finger is usually to be found jammed up his hooter, obsessively rooting out whatever lurks therein, the physio is terrified PF will get the ball bang into his kisser with digit in situ resulting in a potentially messy auto-lobotomy incident. Beyond a distressing amount of claret thus released it ain't clear how much damage would actually be sustained to the Foden capacity!
Sunday's fixture at best will provide two hours extra shuteye after a few hot sleep deprived nights.
UPDATE: Foden's gone home for the birth of his 3rd sprog. GS trembling hand might get forced after all...
Heard a stat on the US commentary last night that through two and a half games, Foden connected with Kane for only one pass throughout the tournament so far. Foden and Pickford, two passes.
It doesn’t really help when two of our main attacking threats are playing on different planets.
The two of them appear incapable of playing together for whatever reason.
Not only has Foden barely given Kane the ball, he's norsed up about 50% of what could have been Kane chances by ineptly getting in the way, usually dawdling about in the middle half a beat behind the pace(!) of the game Foden took it to a whole new level last night by repeatedly getting in Bellingham's way too on the few occasions even he ventured forward PF looks to be seeking out some wonder pass or showstopping contribution when all that is required is some positive football and movement into space Maybe PF is flat out knackered If he ain't then I'd be doubting how many fcuks he gives about this tournament Either way he wouldn't be starting the next game were I picking the side - Only withering cowardice is preventing Southgate from following suit, he just ain't got the plums to leave out the big names irrespective of dismal form and he lives in sleepless terror of the tabloid cacophony that could result. Talent and potential are worth naff all without application but that carries no weight with GS
Word from the team hotel is that bandage around his right hand is to stop him braining himself - his right middle finger is usually to be found jammed up his hooter, obsessively rooting out whatever lurks therein, the physio is terrified PF will get the ball bang into his kisser with digit in situ resulting in a potentially messy auto-lobotomy incident. Beyond a distressing amount of claret thus released it ain't clear how much damage would actually be sustained to the Foden capacity!
Sunday's fixture at best will provide two hours extra shuteye after a few hot sleep deprived nights.
UPDATE: Foden's gone home for the birth of his 3rd sprog. GS trembling hand might get forced after all...
also some pundits saying that Foden is getting in Bellingham's way as well .. perhaps too many 'superstars' spoiling the broth ? .. for my part I'd drop both Foden and Saka from the starting Xl and play the side that (nearly) finished the game, Mainoo (terrific cameo performance), Palmer and Gordon
England just must move the ball quicker from defence, Stones hanging on to the ball and looking totally lost for someone to pass to, is a liability, just give it to the midfielders a s a p f f s, excuse the mixed acronyms
Foden is the Premier League player of the year. If I was going to play him, and I most probably would, I would try to play him as close to the position where he won that award playing. Seeing as Bellingham is perfectly comfortable playing in the central midfield opposed to as a number 10, it would be different if he wasn't, but seeing as he is, it seems a simple issue to sort out in itself. To be fair to Southgate, he may have thought Foden could be effective there but surely now he has seen that he isn't so no need to be stubbon about it or indeed drop the lad.
You would move the La Liga player of the year into a position he didn’t play the entire season?
Foden is the Premier League player of the year. If I was going to play him, and I most probably would, I would try to play him as close to the position where he won that award playing. Seeing as Bellingham is perfectly comfortable playing in the central midfield opposed to as a number 10, it would be different if he wasn't, but seeing as he is, it seems a simple issue to sort out in itself. To be fair to Southgate, he may have thought Foden could be effective there but surely now he has seen that he isn't so no need to be stubbon about it or indeed drop the lad.
You would move the La Liga player of the year into a position he didn’t play the entire season?
Yes, because we know he can play central midfield and be effective there. We are seeing that Foden can't play on the left.
Foden is the Premier League player of the year. If I was going to play him, and I most probably would, I would try to play him as close to the position where he won that award playing. Seeing as Bellingham is perfectly comfortable playing in the central midfield opposed to as a number 10, it would be different if he wasn't, but seeing as he is, it seems a simple issue to sort out in itself. To be fair to Southgate, he may have thought Foden could be effective there but surely now he has seen that he isn't so no need to be stubbon about it or indeed drop the lad.
You would move the La Liga player of the year into a position he didn’t play the entire season?
I was of this view until a few weeks before the tournament but changed my mind for a couple of reasons.
- Bellingham 2nd half of the season wasn't the goal threat he was in the first half - CM is such a problem position for us he is probably the only way we can solve it - those ITK at Real and apparently Jude himself see his future in a deeper role controlling games. And looking at the signings they've made for next season it suggests that's exactly where he will be playing.
Bellingham has been absolutely pony, I'd honestly drop him. He made a ton of mistakes vs Slovenia, looked lazy and disinterested. He was also pretty pants vs Denmark.
I'd start Mainoo ahead of him who brings more energy to the midfield and has the skill to go with it, unlike Gallagher. Foden in the 10, Gordon on the left, and drop Saka for Palmer, the former also being extraordinarily average.
Bellingham was majestic for the first 30 minutes of the Serbian game and Saka turned his defender inside out every time he had the ball in the 1st half of our 1st game.
Gareth has to own the reason why Jude has suddenly look so languid and his body language looks like he's got the hump. What has happened to his happy demeanour from the Serbia game 🤔
Not sure dropping the player that many folk on CL and in the real world was calling the best player in the world makes sense but have no issues with him being replaced during a game if needs must. Jude's goals from the number 10 position was supreme for Madrid.
24 goals from 45 goals for the Spanish Champion league winners and some Posters on CL say drop him 🤦🏻♂️
Bellingham was majestic for the first 30 minutes of the Serbian game and Saka turned his defender inside out every time he had the ball in the 1st half of our 1st game.
Gareth has to own the reason why Jude has suddenly look so languid and his body language looks like he's got the hump. What has happened to his happy demeanour from the Serbia game 🤔
Not sure dropping the player that many folk on CL and in the real world was calling the best player in the world makes sense but have no issues with him being replaced during a game if needs must. Jude's goals from the number 10 position was supreme for Madrid.
24 goals from 45 goals for the Spanish Champion league winners and some Posters on CL say drop him 🤦🏻♂️
He is out of form, when you have a big squad you utilise it, otherwise what's the point. There will be players on that bench chomping at the bit to get in this team. If you've got a player losing the ball, placing his passes badly, not making runs and looking tired, you bench him. Otherwise it's the England of old where players are playing on name alone.
He had momentum when he first joined Madrid, but he faded away towards the end of the season and wasn't very influential against Man City or Dortmund in the latter stages of the champions league, tbh I still can't believe Madrid won another CL looking so ordinary. Either way, he's not a candidate for the best player in the world at this stage, maybe later, but if he's the best player in the world, then football is in a terrible state imo. Personally think Mbappe, Haaland, De Bruyne and particularly Rodri are all levels above and I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Kane, Son, Musiala etc.
From a technical point of view we are setting up wrong against teams prepared to sit back against us. We are playing with players on both sides (Saka and Foden) whose instincts are to come inside. Trippier on the left has no real overlap potential. So we are playing narrow and with 3 of our 4 wide players instincts to cut in. We need more width, more runners behind stretching teams more out of shape than we currently are.
Our play is slow because there is not enough movement and width availability in front of the back four. It’s why we see so much shifting it left and right across the back four and defensive centre mid. It’s so easy for defensive teams to remain organised and retain their shape.
It’s slow, bland and then makes it pressurised on players to find something. They then seem to tense up and lose confidence when they don’t.
@AFKABartram has got this bang on the money. I pointed this out after the Serbia game. In 3 games Trippier has not managed to get as far as the opponents penalty area. Even the one time he did, Foden threw his arms up in disgust at him as he picked the wrong option. I just don't see what Southgate sees in him. He never filled in at LB for Spurs (even when he couldn't get in at RB ahead of Walker and then found him up against Kyle Walker-Peters as 3rd choice and when Rose and Davies were injured, Vertonghen played LB) and thats when he went to Atletico Madrid. I don't ever remember him filling in at LB for Newcastle either. But it makes even less sense when Joe Gomes actually filled in at LB for the Dippers for long periods of the last 18 months.
So if you're not going to get the width from the full back who's going to sit back, you need a winger in front against teams that sit back. I'd go with Gordon over Eze and what I've seen of both of them, Eze prefers to come inside where as Gordon is happy to go both ways.
Its been like watching Spurs under Conte. The full backs have been told to not advance past the sitting CM, forming a narrow bank of 5, making us tough to beat and then it relies on the rest for the creativity.
If the opposition are sitting deep on the edge of their box, the space is out wide. If you can drag the full back out to the byline, you automatically drag out one of the centre backs and it creates space between the lines. It opens up things for Kane and the likes of Bellingham and Foden.
I'm actually amazed Southgate didn't pick Chilwell now that I've seen he wasn't injured. Was Mitchell injured? (yes, I know he's Palace, wash my mouth out and all that but he's got a left foot, unlike Trippier!)
Before the tournament, I was in agreement with Maddison's exclusion because Bellingham and Foden can cover the same position but christ, after his excellent first 45 against Serbia, Bellingham has been poor. Maddison maybe doesn't have the same goal threat at Bellingham but at least he'd find his team mates with the ball on a regular basis.
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They'll confuse the shite out of the players, as they'll both try showing the same thing
Likewise - I'm just going to wait until the nice man on the telly tells me who we are playing on Sunday.
Foden took it to a whole new level last night by repeatedly getting in Bellingham's way too on the few occasions even he ventured forward
PF looks to be seeking out some wonder pass or showstopping contribution when all that is required is some positive football and movement into space
Maybe PF is flat out knackered
If he ain't then I'd be doubting how many fcuks he gives about this tournament
Either way he wouldn't be starting the next game were I picking the side - Only withering cowardice is preventing Southgate from following suit, he just ain't got the plums to leave out the big names irrespective of dismal form and he lives in sleepless terror of the tabloid cacophony that could result.
Talent and potential are worth naff all without application but that carries no weight with GS
Word from the team hotel is that bandage around his right hand is to stop him braining himself - his right middle finger is usually to be found jammed up his hooter, obsessively rooting out whatever lurks therein, the physio is terrified PF will get the ball bang into his kisser with digit in situ resulting in a potentially messy auto-lobotomy incident. Beyond a distressing amount of claret thus released it ain't clear how much damage would actually be sustained to the Foden capacity!
Sunday's fixture at best will provide two hours extra shuteye after a few hot sleep deprived nights.
UPDATE: Foden's gone home for the birth of his 3rd sprog. GS trembling hand might get forced after all...
England just must move the ball quicker from defence, Stones hanging on to the ball and looking totally lost for someone to pass to, is a liability, just give it to the midfielders a s a p f f s, excuse the mixed acronyms
Foden Bellingham Palmer
Saka Rice Wharton Trent A-A
Guehi Stones Walker
;-)
- Bellingham 2nd half of the season wasn't the goal threat he was in the first half
- CM is such a problem position for us he is probably the only way we can solve it
- those ITK at Real and apparently Jude himself see his future in a deeper role controlling games. And looking at the signings they've made for next season it suggests that's exactly where he will be playing.
I'd start Mainoo ahead of him who brings more energy to the midfield and has the skill to go with it, unlike Gallagher. Foden in the 10, Gordon on the left, and drop Saka for Palmer, the former also being extraordinarily average.
Gareth has to own the reason why Jude has suddenly look so languid and his body language looks like he's got the hump.
What has happened to his happy demeanour from the Serbia game 🤔
Not sure dropping the player that many folk on CL and in the real world was calling the best player in the world makes sense but have no issues with him being replaced during a game if needs must.
Jude's goals from the number 10 position was supreme for Madrid.
24 goals from 45 goals for the Spanish Champion league winners and some Posters on CL say drop him 🤦🏻♂️
He had momentum when he first joined Madrid, but he faded away towards the end of the season and wasn't very influential against Man City or Dortmund in the latter stages of the champions league, tbh I still can't believe Madrid won another CL looking so ordinary. Either way, he's not a candidate for the best player in the world at this stage, maybe later, but if he's the best player in the world, then football is in a terrible state imo. Personally think Mbappe, Haaland, De Bruyne and particularly Rodri are all levels above and I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Kane, Son, Musiala etc.
So if you're not going to get the width from the full back who's going to sit back, you need a winger in front against teams that sit back. I'd go with Gordon over Eze and what I've seen of both of them, Eze prefers to come inside where as Gordon is happy to go both ways.
Its been like watching Spurs under Conte. The full backs have been told to not advance past the sitting CM, forming a narrow bank of 5, making us tough to beat and then it relies on the rest for the creativity.
If the opposition are sitting deep on the edge of their box, the space is out wide. If you can drag the full back out to the byline, you automatically drag out one of the centre backs and it creates space between the lines. It opens up things for Kane and the likes of Bellingham and Foden.
I'm actually amazed Southgate didn't pick Chilwell now that I've seen he wasn't injured. Was Mitchell injured? (yes, I know he's Palace, wash my mouth out and all that but he's got a left foot, unlike Trippier!)
Before the tournament, I was in agreement with Maddison's exclusion because Bellingham and Foden can cover the same position but christ, after his excellent first 45 against Serbia, Bellingham has been poor. Maddison maybe doesn't have the same goal threat at Bellingham but at least he'd find his team mates with the ball on a regular basis.