How are people using fitness as an excuse for Leaburn’s performances. He’s been back for over 2 months now, playing 800 minutes in 13 games.
He's been appalling, apart from in the cups against lower league players. Stick him in a match against adults in our league and he's a fish out of water. A very big, cumbersome fish that looks completely unbothered by what's happening around him on the pitch
A bit like a Goliath Grouper.
Goliath grouper are generally considered safe for humans, but large individuals should be treated with caution:
Bite
Goliath grouper have a weak bite and small, sharp teeth, so an accidental nip is more like an abrasion than a piercing bite.
Behavior
Goliath grouper are usually docile and will warn you if you're getting too close. They focus on smaller marine life and lack the predatory drive that might lead to attacks on humans.
Potts did look an upgrade on Gillesphey and noticeable we conceded after the switch was made. Would like to see him in a 3 with Mitchell & Jones
You would look good in this back line Fen, it's the complete lack of attacking nous that's the problem. Nathan Jones post match interview totally swerves how many chances we created or didn't create.
For a very long time it has been a joyless experience following Charlton. No excitement, no fun, just a boring , energy sapping waste of time and money. Enough is enough. The boycott starts now. Let's see how the owners, smt and Jones respond when absolutely no one turns up, home or away. We can force the issue with our absence.
The question is, which ones can form a successful, cohesive team with the determination to fight for one another and our club ....
But foremost in my mind is whether that can be achieved under NJ.
Sadly, it appears to have reached the point where the answer is a loud NO.
The point of no return for me, I'm afraid.
And uppermost in these players' minds must be their future prospects under this enigmatic man who is clearly "more mouth than trousers " so to speak.
Their salvation & futures in the game could be resurrected under another manager, I'm sure.
But it has to begin NOW if our season & their immediate futures have any chance of improvement.
Anyone know Gavin Carter's number ?
What I hate about this is that if they are and have downed tools because they don’t want to play for him, is that it’s at our expense, again. It’s become clear that it happened with Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton and likely Jones, but I’m not happy that if we do get a new manager in, they’ll suddenly put a shift in for a few months until the pattern gets repeated.
It’s crazy how it’s played out exactly the same now since Bowyer left, all of the managers having similar(ish) periods before it all collapses.
I absolutely loved and adored so many players over the years, particularly in the curbs era. I felt indifferent to that tranche from 07/08 through to 10/11, but I actually hate so many of the players that have put on the shirt since the 21/22 season. They’ve all played their part and have left me with a very bitter taste in my mouth and continue to contribute to the apathy I have for my club right now.
Jones is approaching the end of the road, and for me that is a shame, because of all the managers we’ve had post Bowyer, he’s the one I felt has the most ability/chance to turn it around. He’s clearly not up to to it, but as the captain of the ship, the crew he’s had around him are equally to blame for its sinking.
Time will tell, but none of this lot scream they’re above the level we’re at, and I do fear it will be the repeated pattern of new manager bounce, but they’ll quickly show their real faces again by the end of the season if NJ goes in the next couple of weeks
The question is, which ones can form a successful, cohesive team with the determination to fight for one another and our club ....
But foremost in my mind is whether that can be achieved under NJ.
Sadly, it appears to have reached the point where the answer is a loud NO.
The point of no return for me, I'm afraid.
And uppermost in these players' minds must be their future prospects under this enigmatic man who is clearly "more mouth than trousers " so to speak.
Their salvation & futures in the game could be resurrected under another manager, I'm sure.
But it has to begin NOW if our season & their immediate futures have any chance of improvement.
Anyone know Gavin Carter's number ?
What I hate about this is that if they are and have downed tools because they don’t want to play for him, is that it’s at our expense, again. It’s become clear that it happened with Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton and likely Jones, but I’m not happy that if we do get a new manager in, they’ll suddenly put a shift in for a few months until the pattern gets repeated.
It’s crazy how it’s played out exactly the same now since Bowyer left, all of the managers having similar(ish) periods before it all collapses.
I absolutely loved and adored so many players over the years, particularly in the curbs era. I felt indifferent to that tranche from 07/08 through to 10/11, but I actually hate so many of the players that have put on the shirt since the 21/22 season. They’ve all played their part and have left me with a very bitter taste in my mouth and continue to contribute to the apathy I have for my club right now.
Jones is approaching the end of the road, and for me that is a shame, because of all the managers we’ve had post Bowyer, he’s the one I felt has the most ability/chance to turn it around. He’s clearly not up to to it, but as the captain of the ship, the crew he’s had around him are equally to blame for its sinking.
Time will tell, but none of this lot scream they’re above the level we’re at, and I do fear it will be the repeated pattern of new manager bounce, but they’ll quickly show their real faces again by the end of the season if NJ goes in the next couple of weeks
It's not the same players though. We've had massive churn and endlessly got rid of the failed signings, only to bring in more flops.
Of the 16 players who featured today, 10 signed or made their debut THIS year, 7 this season. AMB is a veteran of the team with 70 ish appearances!
How are people using fitness as an excuse for Leaburn’s performances. He’s been back for over 2 months now, playing 800 minutes in 13 games.
Fitness should be becoming less of a factor yes.
However we know he’s capable but our strikers have been starved of service all season and we play so little football it’s making even our better players look worse than they are.
I can heartily recommend going out and doing something else when this shower of shit play.
Went to see Nick Mohammed's Xmas show with my daughter, a far better way to spend my time and money.
Have seen nothing but the stats (which are quite frankly pathetic) and a comment about Dixon. Please someone tell me that Jones didn't give him his debut as a wing back!!!???!
Now I know why we’ve been persisting with long diagonal passes & general hoofball, it’s because the players are incapable of passing to a team-mate 6 feet away. They’re all a disgrace to the red shirt & badge!
I can heartily recommend going out and doing something else when this shower of shit play.
Went to see Nick Mohammed's Xmas show with my daughter, a far better way to spend my time and money.
Have seen nothing but the stats (which are quite frankly pathetic) and a comment about Dixon. Please someone tell me that Jones didn't give him his debut as a wing back!!!???!
He was more right midfield in a sort of 442 I thought.
seems like we have been digging for several years and still haven’t found the bottom, but not for want of effort. Seems like we are spending on more shovels and no in fill. I am out of fucks to give.
Reality check… we are no longer the sleeping giant who should be in a higher league. Those days are gone. Like many teams… that is well in the past. We are a crap mid table L1 team who think they are better than they are.
We are where we deserve to be. We need to adjust our expectations are accept we are just a mid table ish L1 team…… We are not superior to Crawley or Orient etc. The old days of Prem, Div 1 are gone.
We have a budget Crawley and Orient can only dream of though. That surely should show on the pitch?
Yes. The fact we have a significantly larger budget and still are no better than Crawley and Orient kind of confirms even more how crap we are!
The question is, which ones can form a successful, cohesive team with the determination to fight for one another and our club ....
But foremost in my mind is whether that can be achieved under NJ.
Sadly, it appears to have reached the point where the answer is a loud NO.
The point of no return for me, I'm afraid.
And uppermost in these players' minds must be their future prospects under this enigmatic man who is clearly "more mouth than trousers " so to speak.
Their salvation & futures in the game could be resurrected under another manager, I'm sure.
But it has to begin NOW if our season & their immediate futures have any chance of improvement.
Anyone know Gavin Carter's number ?
What I hate about this is that if they are and have downed tools because they don’t want to play for him, is that it’s at our expense, again. It’s become clear that it happened with Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton and likely Jones, but I’m not happy that if we do get a new manager in, they’ll suddenly put a shift in for a few months until the pattern gets repeated.
It’s crazy how it’s played out exactly the same now since Bowyer left, all of the managers having similar(ish) periods before it all collapses.
I absolutely loved and adored so many players over the years, particularly in the curbs era. I felt indifferent to that tranche from 07/08 through to 10/11, but I actually hate so many of the players that have put on the shirt since the 21/22 season. They’ve all played their part and have left me with a very bitter taste in my mouth and continue to contribute to the apathy I have for my club right now.
Jones is approaching the end of the road, and for me that is a shame, because of all the managers we’ve had post Bowyer, he’s the one I felt has the most ability/chance to turn it around. He’s clearly not up to to it, but as the captain of the ship, the crew he’s had around him are equally to blame for its sinking.
Time will tell, but none of this lot scream they’re above the level we’re at, and I do fear it will be the repeated pattern of new manager bounce, but they’ll quickly show their real faces again by the end of the season if NJ goes in the next couple of weeks
I haven't stated or even hinted that I feel the players have "downed tools".
What I do believe is that they are unhappy, confused even by the manner in which they are "managed" - the roles they are told to play in a match /the demands even of a manager who continues to bark orders from the touchline from minute one to minute ninety.
I read one post here from a Lifer who was sitting close to the home dugout tonight. He appeared amazed at the consistent and confusing orders shouted out by NJ ...and commented that some were ambiguous to say the least....Maybe this is just an indication of what the players are "fed" in training as well as once on the pitch.
We shouldn't be surprised if listening to his post match interviews is anything to go by...including some of the nonsense he spouts at times.
TBH, I'd even suggest that some might deliberately switch off in order to preserve their sanity and just try their best.
The question is, which ones can form a successful, cohesive team with the determination to fight for one another and our club ....
But foremost in my mind is whether that can be achieved under NJ.
Sadly, it appears to have reached the point where the answer is a loud NO.
The point of no return for me, I'm afraid.
And uppermost in these players' minds must be their future prospects under this enigmatic man who is clearly "more mouth than trousers " so to speak.
Their salvation & futures in the game could be resurrected under another manager, I'm sure.
But it has to begin NOW if our season & their immediate futures have any chance of improvement.
Anyone know Gavin Carter's number ?
What I hate about this is that if they are and have downed tools because they don’t want to play for him, is that it’s at our expense, again. It’s become clear that it happened with Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton and likely Jones, but I’m not happy that if we do get a new manager in, they’ll suddenly put a shift in for a few months until the pattern gets repeated.
It’s crazy how it’s played out exactly the same now since Bowyer left, all of the managers having similar(ish) periods before it all collapses.
I absolutely loved and adored so many players over the years, particularly in the curbs era. I felt indifferent to that tranche from 07/08 through to 10/11, but I actually hate so many of the players that have put on the shirt since the 21/22 season. They’ve all played their part and have left me with a very bitter taste in my mouth and continue to contribute to the apathy I have for my club right now.
Jones is approaching the end of the road, and for me that is a shame, because of all the managers we’ve had post Bowyer, he’s the one I felt has the most ability/chance to turn it around. He’s clearly not up to to it, but as the captain of the ship, the crew he’s had around him are equally to blame for its sinking.
Time will tell, but none of this lot scream they’re above the level we’re at, and I do fear it will be the repeated pattern of new manager bounce, but they’ll quickly show their real faces again by the end of the season if NJ goes in the next couple of weeks
I haven't stated or even hinted that I feel the players have "downed tools".
What I do believe is that they are unhappy, confused even by the manner in which they are "managed" - the roles they are told to play in a match /the demands even of a manager who continues to bark orders from the touchline from minute one to minute ninety.
I read one post here from a Lifer who was sitting close to the home dugout tonight. He appeared amazed at the consistent and confusing orders shouted out by NJ ...and commented that some were ambiguous to say the least....Maybe this is just an indication of what the players are "fed" in training as well as once on the pitch.
We shouldn't be surprised if listening to his post match interviews is anything to go by...including some of the nonsense he spouts at times.
TBH, I'd even suggest that some might deliberately switch off in order to preserve their sanity and just try their best.
Last time I was near the dugout, Jones screamed at Ahadme "Gassan, Gas, Gas, STAY, STAY, GAS, STAY!!! STAY, GAS!!!!! GASSSSSSSS!!!!!! STAY GAS STAY!!!!!!!" and literally not 5 seconds later
"GASSSSSSSSANNNNN!!!!!! MOOOOOOVVVVEEEEEE ITTTTT, CHASE THE BALL, PRESS THE MAAAAANNNNNN FUCKS SAKE"
The question is, which ones can form a successful, cohesive team with the determination to fight for one another and our club ....
But foremost in my mind is whether that can be achieved under NJ.
Sadly, it appears to have reached the point where the answer is a loud NO.
The point of no return for me, I'm afraid.
And uppermost in these players' minds must be their future prospects under this enigmatic man who is clearly "more mouth than trousers " so to speak.
Their salvation & futures in the game could be resurrected under another manager, I'm sure.
But it has to begin NOW if our season & their immediate futures have any chance of improvement.
Anyone know Gavin Carter's number ?
What I hate about this is that if they are and have downed tools because they don’t want to play for him, is that it’s at our expense, again. It’s become clear that it happened with Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton and likely Jones, but I’m not happy that if we do get a new manager in, they’ll suddenly put a shift in for a few months until the pattern gets repeated.
It’s crazy how it’s played out exactly the same now since Bowyer left, all of the managers having similar(ish) periods before it all collapses.
I absolutely loved and adored so many players over the years, particularly in the curbs era. I felt indifferent to that tranche from 07/08 through to 10/11, but I actually hate so many of the players that have put on the shirt since the 21/22 season. They’ve all played their part and have left me with a very bitter taste in my mouth and continue to contribute to the apathy I have for my club right now.
Jones is approaching the end of the road, and for me that is a shame, because of all the managers we’ve had post Bowyer, he’s the one I felt has the most ability/chance to turn it around. He’s clearly not up to to it, but as the captain of the ship, the crew he’s had around him are equally to blame for its sinking.
Time will tell, but none of this lot scream they’re above the level we’re at, and I do fear it will be the repeated pattern of new manager bounce, but they’ll quickly show their real faces again by the end of the season if NJ goes in the next couple of weeks
I haven't stated or even hinted that I feel the players have "downed tools".
What I do believe is that they are unhappy, confused even by the manner in which they are "managed" - the roles they are told to play in a match /the demands even of a manager who continues to bark orders from the touchline from minute one to minute ninety.
I read one post here from a Lifer who was sitting close to the home dugout tonight. He appeared amazed at the consistent and confusing orders shouted out by NJ ...and commented that some were ambiguous to say the least....Maybe this is just an indication of what the players are "fed" in training as well as once on the pitch.
We shouldn't be surprised if listening to his post match interviews is anything to go by...including some of the nonsense he spouts at times.
TBH, I'd even suggest that some might deliberately switch off in order to preserve their sanity and just try their best.
Last time I was near the dugout, Jones screamed at Ahadme "Gassan, Gas, Gas, STAY, STAY, GAS, STAY!!! STAY, GAS!!!!! GASSSSSSSS!!!!!! STAY GAS STAY!!!!!!!" and literally not 5 seconds later
"GASSSSSSSSANNNNN!!!!!! MOOOOOOVVVVEEEEEE ITTTTT, CHASE THE BALL, PRESS THE MAAAAANNNNNN FUCKS SAKE"
Absolutely bewildering
A player I once coached naturally drifted to the FB when pressing in a front 3, mid 3 + FB press structure. His starting position would leave a pass lane inside and opposition players rotating or dropping in behind would have a free pass, allowing the opposition an easy out.
By focusing on moving his start position (Gas Stay) he would block the pass lane and then press once the pass was on the way to the FB from CB (Gas move, press the man).
There needs to be more context to where Gassan was, what he was meant to be doing on both sides of the communication and is this something that is being worked on in training. It may seem bewildering but there may also be more thought process behind it.
However, there are ways to communicate and his crazed screaming is probably not the best way for the majority of players.
As poor as we have been in recent years there was always a player or two you could get behind and feel they could drag us out of mediocrity. Dobson, May, CBT, RakSaki etc. In our current squad L Jones could probably go to the Championship, Leaburn maybe still has a chance but has been very poor since his injury... The others, L1 is their ceiling at best. It is a terrible squad in quality, in depth and in balance. I cannot fathom why Scott remains after 2yrs of complete and utter failure to such a level I think most fans could have done better. As for Jones, enough is enough. I couldn't give two shits about this cup or being out of it but if you are going to play first teamers you have to put on a better effort than the stats show we did. Thankfully I was out for a lovely dinner in town and had forgotten this game was even on.
I like many of the contributors on this forum have supported Charlton for 60+ years. This is totally unacceptable and as an analagy if this was served up by restaurant you wouldn't be going back. Loyal supporters have put up with dreadful decisions, ineffective ownerships and of course poor performances. We have almost reached a pivitol point in that loyal fanbase are leaving in droves because of the dreadfull mismanagement of performances by footballers wearing our proud shirt and representing Charlton. If we're honest even wins this season are not (bar Birmingham) been when we have been free flowing and totally worthy. The basics taught by Jones and his team are so far removed from what I want from the team I support. We all have our favourites and players who we do not believe in but many of this team are devoid of fight, nous and aptitude. The forwards have little service but rarely control and hold a ball up to bring others in. The midfield let opposition run past them and don't run past our forwards they can't tackle and get knocked off the ball too easily. Defenders panic and stand still too often not aware of 2nd phase ball. Too many players can't pass a ball 10 yards. Our throw ons are pathetic often losing possession. There seems a lack of pride in a number of players plus too many are slow.Ultimately the players are chosen and coached and there lies the main issue as many have stated. The inept football served up is just not good enough. The players bought in just not good enough with 1 or 2 exceptions. Players let go should not have been.
We need someone who can resolve these issues and not continually roll out the drivel
The performance last night has once again been playing on my mind so much so that at 2am I'm wide awake and wondering who/what do we need in January to rescue our season. As for who, I'm not sure (at this moment in time) as for what, we'll I've put my thoughts below, using just the 1st team squad as per the OS-: Keep Gk - New, Mannion Defenders - Ramsay, Jones, A. Mitchell, Edwards, Potts, Small, New, New. Midfielders - Coventry, Taylor, T. Campbell, New, New, New. Strikers - Godden, Leaburn, Kanu, Gasman, New.
Loan out Asiimwe, Anderson, Z. Mitchell, K Dixon.
Transfer/Release - AMB, Gillesphey, Edun, REG, Watson, A. Campbell, Docherty, Berry, Hylton, Aneke. Now I know the above won't happen and it's just, my 2am, opinion based on this season to date. However, I do believe we need 6 new experienced, youngish pros (I.e not over the hill) to add to the squad, which must include a CB, ACM, Winger and Striker. We could go down the loan route, (but Jones wont), so the US owners will have to 'stump up'. Will they, I doubt it, would they if Scott and NJ were gone, maybe. The club have 3 weeks to sort this out before the window opens, either stick or twist. However anymore performances like the last few, especially last nights, and more fans will vote with their feet! Then what will the billionaires do? Right time to try and get some sleep.
As previously mentioned, multi billionaire owners. 1000 millions in a billion. It would probably take the small change from down the back of their sofa's to invest enough to try and fix this. Nut Job needs to go, he can't be good for the players mental health ranting and raving all the time, surprised he has not been decked by now. We need a Curbishly type at the helm.
Poor manager, poor players, as Fanny said they have "Downed Tools", we really are in a s**t place, massive changes are needed!
I am a big fan of bringing youth into the side, but when you have bad players on the pitch these kids will not stand a chance! We don't need to loan Dixon out, we need good players on the pitch and We Have Not Got Those!
Supported the club since the 70's, but unless they change I will vote with my feet, why should I care anymore with NJ and his Luton rejects, since HART retired it's all gone pear shaped, I used to put more effort bunking in at the away end and these players do on the pitch!
Comments
No discussion.
Goliath grouper are generally considered safe for humans, but large individuals should be treated with caution:
What I hate about this is that if they are and have downed tools because they don’t want to play for him, is that it’s at our expense, again. It’s become clear that it happened with Adkins, Garner, Holden, Appleton and likely Jones, but I’m not happy that if we do get a new manager in, they’ll suddenly put a shift in for a few months until the pattern gets repeated.
It’s crazy how it’s played out exactly the same now since Bowyer left, all of the managers having similar(ish) periods before it all collapses.
Jones is approaching the end of the road, and for me that is a shame, because of all the managers we’ve had post Bowyer, he’s the one I felt has the most ability/chance to turn it around. He’s clearly not up to
to it, but as the captain of the ship, the crew he’s had around him are equally to blame for its sinking.
Time will tell, but none of this lot scream they’re above the level we’re at, and I do fear it will be the repeated pattern of new manager bounce, but they’ll quickly show their real faces again by the end of the season if NJ goes in the next couple of weeks
past caring tonight,
But I can’t even comprehend us getting relegated to league 2.
Of the 16 players who featured today, 10 signed or made their debut THIS year, 7 this season. AMB is a veteran of the team with 70 ish appearances!
However we know he’s capable but our strikers have been starved of service all season and we play so little football it’s making even our better players look worse than they are.
Went to see Nick Mohammed's Xmas show with my daughter, a far better way to spend my time and money.
Have seen nothing but the stats (which are quite frankly pathetic) and a comment about Dixon. Please someone tell me that Jones didn't give him his debut as a wing back!!!???!
(Until next season)
“Forgot we were playing!”
(But came on Charlton Life five minutes after the final whistle..)
“Slept through the game.”
(But woke up just in time to post my thoughts)
(See you on Saturday!)
What I do believe is that they are unhappy, confused even by the manner in which they are "managed" - the roles they are told to play in a match /the demands even of a manager who continues to bark orders from the touchline from minute one to minute ninety.
I read one post here from a Lifer who was sitting close to the home dugout tonight. He appeared amazed at the consistent and confusing orders shouted out by NJ ...and commented that some were ambiguous to say the least....Maybe this is just an indication of what the players are "fed" in training as well as once on the pitch.
We shouldn't be surprised if listening to his post match interviews is anything to go by...including some of the nonsense he spouts at times.
TBH, I'd even suggest that some might deliberately switch off in order to preserve their sanity and just try their best.
"GASSSSSSSSANNNNN!!!!!! MOOOOOOVVVVEEEEEE ITTTTT, CHASE THE BALL, PRESS THE MAAAAANNNNNN FUCKS SAKE"
Absolutely bewildering
However, there are ways to communicate and his crazed screaming is probably not the best way for the majority of players.
As for Jones, enough is enough. I couldn't give two shits about this cup or being out of it but if you are going to play first teamers you have to put on a better effort than the stats show we did.
Thankfully I was out for a lovely dinner in town and had forgotten this game was even on.
We need someone who can resolve these issues and not continually roll out the drivel
This absolute shower is what happens when you decimate a football club from top to bottom over 2 decades.
Who's next - who knows and frankly it is hard to care.
We need to stay up and there may be 10 managers that can probably achieve that with us.
Once again we see under investment - look at Derby when they came down, look at Birmingham, we need owners with deep pockets and GENUINE ambition.
We haven't had one of those yet.
Did anyone at the game see or close enough to hear what was said ?
As for who, I'm not sure (at this moment in time) as for what, we'll I've put my thoughts below, using just the 1st team squad as per the OS-:
Keep
Gk - New, Mannion
Defenders - Ramsay, Jones, A. Mitchell, Edwards, Potts, Small, New, New.
Midfielders - Coventry, Taylor, T. Campbell, New, New, New.
Strikers - Godden, Leaburn, Kanu, Gasman, New.
Loan out Asiimwe, Anderson, Z. Mitchell, K Dixon.
Transfer/Release - AMB, Gillesphey, Edun, REG, Watson, A. Campbell, Docherty, Berry, Hylton, Aneke.
Now I know the above won't happen and it's just, my 2am, opinion based on this season to date.
However, I do believe we need 6 new experienced, youngish pros (I.e not over the hill)
to add to the squad, which must include a CB, ACM, Winger and Striker.
We could go down the loan route, (but Jones wont), so the US owners will have to 'stump up'.
Will they, I doubt it, would they if Scott and NJ were gone, maybe.
The club have 3 weeks to sort this out before the window opens, either stick or twist. However anymore performances like the last few, especially last nights, and more fans will vote with their feet! Then what will the billionaires do?
Right time to try and get some sleep.
I am a big fan of bringing youth into the side, but when you have bad players on the pitch these kids will not stand a chance! We don't need to loan Dixon out, we need good players on the pitch and We Have Not Got Those!
Supported the club since the 70's, but unless they change I will vote with my feet, why should I care anymore with NJ and his Luton rejects, since HART retired it's all gone pear shaped, I used to put more effort bunking in at the away end and these players do on the pitch!