Vegetarian Football Fans

BexhillAddick said:

This thead sparked my interest as I have been vegan for 12 years now. What makes me laugh is that most people who condone the slaughter and exploitation of animals are dead against racism, homophobia etc. How about speciesism. What gives anyone the right to take the life of another living being just because they do not have the intelligence to speak out and stand up for themselves. Would you kill, cook and eat a human if he was mentally ill?

Food for thought maybe?

Your in the wrong thread pal, this was meant for the "Joke" thread surely?!

Leroy Ambrose said:

BexhillAddick said:

This thead sparked my interest as I have been vegan for 12 years now. What makes me laugh is that most people who condone the slaughter and exploitation of animals are dead against racism, homophobia etc. How about speciesism. What gives anyone the right to take the life of another living being just because they do not have the intelligence to speak out and stand up for themselves. Would you kill, cook and eat a human if he was mentally ill?

Food for thought maybe?

What sort of a specious argument is that? plants and fungi are living things, as are insects, parasites, viruses etc. By virtue of your argument, what gives you the right to take the lives of any of those?

For food - no problem. For medical research - no problem. For pest or disease control - no problem. For cosmetic research, hunting etc - clearly wrong. Like it as not, we have evolved as a species to be the dominant force on this planet. With that dominance comes responsibility, sure - but we are omnivores, and the animals we have bred for food wouldn't even exist as species in the form they do now without our interference.

Comparing someone's choice to eat meat with the slave trade is the most ludicrous of many extremely ludicrous things posted on here in the past.

What kind of hunting are you talking about?

Thou shalt not kill.

Exodus 20:13

Oggy Red said:

The excess consumption of wheat has been getting bad press in recent years.

Not so much that wheat is bad for you, but apart from the obvious uses, bread, flour, pasta etc - it's added as a filler to many other products that are bought in the supermarket. And maybe this excess consumption of wheat overloads our bodies making us at times feel a 'little under the weather'.

Also I read a while back that wheat has been scientifically tinkered with over the past 40 years to make it commercially more productive and profitable, and that gluten found in wheat has increased by up to 90% in that period - which is supposed to explain why so many people have gluten intolerance these days.

Rice and oats also naturally contain some gluten but apparently nowhere near as much as modern commercial wheat.



I ran out of bread last Saturday, so instead of buying another loaf I thought I'd give wheat products a rest for a short period.
Just an experiment. So this week, no bread, pasta, etc

I'm curious as to whether I'll feel any benefit.


BTW I've no intention of giving up wheat entirely. </blockquote

So Mr. Oggster, I hope that 'etc.' includes your pint down the pub! I haven't had a beer now for 12 years since being diagnosed with a gluten problem and (to me) it's the worst aspect of the allergy. Are you steering clear of just wheat or gluten generally? It's amazing where gluten turns up and you have to read every label every time as producers start using it in the ingredients often without warning. I could ramble on about all the stuff you have to avoid but it sounds like you've got a good idea of the problem but I think you should stick to the scrumpy for a while!

AddickUpNorth said:

BIG_ROB said:

AddickUpNorth said:

Thou shalt not kill.

Exodus 20:13

Then he went and ate a feckin goat!

That's Christians for you, pick the bits that suit, ignore the rest.

Fickle bunch!

bigstemarra said:

MeebaumAzanitch said:

Karim_myBagheri said:

I'm so educated and I'm so civilized
cos I'm a strict vegetarian

No. I've been vegetarian since 1989 along with my wife. It was a choice. It doesn't make me more civilised or more educated. It has probably given me more time on Earth (reduced cholesterol, reduced animal fat etc.) I am vegetarian not for beliefs, or simpathy for animals. It was the preferred easy health choice. I like and wear leather - ooh! Just recently I went to my doctor because of joint pain (cue jokes). It was diagnosed as has having arthiritis in various forms and areas of my body. Apart from the I think usual anti-inflamatory drugs he said eat oily fish. Well in the not-to-distant future I will eat oily fish. My only problem is finding a sustainable species of oily fish. I don't want to contribute to much to this planets problems. Thanks for listening and sorry if I mis=read your post. I seem to have done that a lot lately!

He's probably on about omega 3 fatty acids, which you can get in high amounts in linseed oil and many other veggy kosher foods... I don't think there's an issue with sustainability!

Go and do a bit of mackeral fishing off Deal or Dover, you won't find more sustainable than that Meebaum me old pal!

Leroy Ambrose said:

BIG_ROB said:

Leroy Ambrose said:

BexhillAddick said:

This thead sparked my interest as I have been vegan for 12 years now. What makes me laugh is that most people who condone the slaughter and exploitation of animals are dead against racism, homophobia etc. How about speciesism. What gives anyone the right to take the life of another living being just because they do not have the intelligence to speak out and stand up for themselves. Would you kill, cook and eat a human if he was mentally ill?

Food for thought maybe?

What sort of a specious argument is that? plants and fungi are living things, as are insects, parasites, viruses etc. By virtue of your argument, what gives you the right to take the lives of any of those?

For food - no problem. For medical research - no problem. For pest or disease control - no problem. For cosmetic research, hunting etc - clearly wrong. Like it as not, we have evolved as a species to be the dominant force on this planet. With that dominance comes responsibility, sure - but we are omnivores, and the animals we have bred for food wouldn't even exist as species in the form they do now without our interference.

Comparing someone's choice to eat meat with the slave trade is the most ludicrous of many extremely ludicrous things posted on here in the past.

What kind of hunting are you talking about?

Hunting for the sake of hunting (i.e. simply for the enjoyment of it).That's pretty fucked up. For disease control, pest control etc I can understand it.

Yeah, totally agree.

Anyone killing for the sake of it needs stringing up, but you won't really find that in the UK as most hunting and shooting is for food, or as you say, for pest control.

Once my 12 bore cracks off, they all know the sport has started! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

BIG_ROB said:

DaveMehmet said:

BIG_ROB said:

Me sister-in-law is veggie and we get on famously!

Would ya?

A very rare no from me! ; )

I think BR has made it clear he is in to meat not veg.

''If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who deal likewise with their fellow men.''

St Francis of Assisi.

AddickUpNorth said:

''If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who deal likewise with their fellow men.''

St Francis of Assisi.

Sums me up that!

DaveMehmet said:

"What do you mean you're pregnant you f***ing slag"

Joseph

Lol you never let me down Dave.

March51 said:

Oggy Red said:

The excess consumption of wheat has been getting bad press in recent years.

Not so much that wheat is bad for you, but apart from the obvious uses, bread, flour, pasta etc - it's added as a filler to many other products that are bought in the supermarket. And maybe this excess consumption of wheat overloads our bodies making us at times feel a 'little under the weather'.

Also I read a while back that wheat has been scientifically tinkered with over the past 40 years to make it commercially more productive and profitable, and that gluten found in wheat has increased by up to 90% in that period - which is supposed to explain why so many people have gluten intolerance these days.

Rice and oats also naturally contain some gluten but apparently nowhere near as much as modern commercial wheat.



I ran out of bread last Saturday, so instead of buying another loaf I thought I'd give wheat products a rest for a short period.
Just an experiment. So this week, no bread, pasta, etc

I'm curious as to whether I'll feel any benefit.


BTW I've no intention of giving up wheat entirely.

Hello, Mr March ......interesting what you say about beer. I've always tried to steer clear of wheat beers (very popular on the continent and increasingly so over here) plus I'm not a lager drinker. I much prefer a traditionally brewed barley based beer, well hopped to give a bitter taste - what we used to call a pint of bitter, when we were lads. That's not to say there may be some wheat added to pad out a generally barley mash by a few brewers, but that ain't the proper way to brew beer.

Anyway, my own weekly beer consumption has been drastically reduced since the recession hit hard.

In my own case, I don't believe I'm particularly gluten intolerant (it's found in rice and oats, which I eat regularly) and I never buy expensive processed foods. I just felt I was eating too much bread and pasta - and thought I'd give it up for a couple of weeks, a bit like some people giving up chocolate for Lent or whatever.

Already starting to miss my toast and marmalade, with my morning coffee though!



I had no idea you'd been affected by Gluten intolerence, Terry ......but a surprising number of people are and numbers are increasing - brings me back to what I said earlier, about reading that the gluten content of commercial wheat has increased by around 90% during the last 40 years.
What's all that about then - and is that the reason behind so many becoming gluten intolerant in recent years....?


Scrumpy? Never really got to grips with the stuff. Anyway, we're not cider country down here in Oggyland - we be fishermen and pirates.
You's must better go up the line to Darzet and Zummerzet ...... you know those folk, who be sayin':

"I'm Zummerzet born and Zummerzet bred;
Thick in the arm and thick in the 'ead.
And I drives a tractor!"


Now there's scrumpy folk!

;o)