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  • edited April 2014
    Valley McMoist said:
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    Finally....A Millwall fan who admits we're rivals

    MillwallFan said:
    I've never said we wasn't rivals. You can't have grounds just over 3 miles apart and not be rivals. It's just seen as a particularly special rivalry by most of our fans. And you lot certainly have a lot more hatred for us than we do for you. Miles more.


    Wonder why that is.............nope really can't fathom it out :-0
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    I've never said we wasn't rivals. You can't have grounds just over 3 miles apart and not be rivals. It's just seen as a particularly special rivalry by most of our fans. And you lot certainly have a lot more hatred for us than we do for you. Miles more.
    There is a lot more to despise about you lot though. Its not an achievement being hated. But then you don't have much else to shout about.
  • Question to Millwall supporters???? Do you think perhaps the fact that you don't play West Ham regularly might build the hatred up??? Absence makes the heart.....
  • I just said it's not all about football. I've been to enough Milwall v West Ham games to know there is enough hatred on both sides. I know enough West Ham fans who hate us.

    It doesn't particularly matter whether you think that way or not. The few games we have show the fierceness of the rivalry and hopefully that continues, whether we only play once every decade or not.

    I understand the fierceness of some peoples emotions.

    I also understand that being created north of the River ,Millwall still has a following in the old East End. Indeed Bob Crow was an example of this. Crow was an Eastender whose family followed the club from its origins on the Isle of Dogs.

    I am still waiting for the football related reason. I know its not 'all' about football, but I am struggling to discover what part of it is.


  • If we were in millwalls position we would all have given up. Now we have a chance to catch up Birmingham
  • They buried Crow the other week.
    And he was far too fat to fly.
  • If we were in millwalls position we would all have given up. Now we have a chance to catch up Birmingham

    Not everyone would of given up. Not with the up coming fixture list.
  • 3 years of gradual painful declince has seemed to take it's toll. Seems many are convinced we're relegated.
    SHL, Jackett is a decent guy and a good manager. When he walked away last year, that was a big indication that things were going pear-shaped.

    I was hoping for a big London love-in next year in the Championship:
    CAFC/Spanners/Nigels/Strangers/Bees/Cottagers/Oh's/Hornets - and decent away trips to Reading/Brighton/Brnemth, making almost half the division made up of nearby teams, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen now although there is still a lot of football to be played.


  • edited April 2014
    That would of been a cracking 2nd division but if its a choice between us and the brain donors this year, there is no contest (ironic considering our record on the pitch).
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  • Unlike most Charlton fans, I'm not too bothered if our dislike for other teams is reciprocated or not, but to say west ham don't care about Millwall is a bit silly. Time and time again we get voted as their most hated in those rivalry polls, there's numerous footage of them singing anti Millwall songs on YouTube, (we never sing about charlton unless we're playing you) and anyone who saw how they reacted to beating us in the league cup a few years ago, well, of course they care.
    Personally, I hate palace more than west ham. Only just. There's a hatred for west ham, but a grudging respect too. Palace, I have zero respect for. Smug, stripey plastic ****s! Can't stand em. Anyway, turned into a decent read this thread.

    http://thechriswhitingshow.wordpress.com/2012/08/28/2012-football-rivalry-census-results/

    Oh no, you don't sing about Charlton or care about us you say...

    As you're writing on our forum.
  • Valley11 said:

    Some Cafc fans' obsession to have a rival is bordering on sad now.
    Very few fans of any other club view us a rivals. We're nice and fairly successful. Who gives a fk if we don't have a 'rival'. Grow up it's dull.

    Agree with you on that, Yes we all want Charlton to be above Millwall and beat them, and for all you younger boys years ago Millwall fans And Charlton fans used to go to each other's grounds to watch the game when there team we're playing away.
  • cafc1263 said:

    Agree with you on that, Yes we all want Charlton to be above Millwall and beat them, and for all you younger boys years ago Millwall fans And Charlton fans used to go to each other's grounds to watch the game when there team we're playing away.
    Did that with my Spanner brother a lot in the late '60s, early '70s. Started at two bob each to get in and a tanner for a programme between us, which was affordable for a couple of kids. How many eleven or twelve year olds could fund their own football tickets now?
  • cafc1263 said:

    Agree with you on that, Yes we all want Charlton to be above Millwall and beat them, and for all you younger boys years ago Millwall fans And Charlton fans used to go to each other's grounds to watch the game when there team we're playing away.


    In my exchange with SLL I think it proves the rivalry thing is actually quite personal for Charlton .I have a mate who follows the Spanners but apart from that now I live in East London there are no other connections. I do understand why they see the Hammers as big rivals and it is due in my opinion to non football reasons. There is no regular fixture like the North London / Manchester or Merseyside derbies. The main association would be the fact that both teams were notorious back in the day.

    The reason I saw Millwall as rivals in the 60's,70's,80's and much of the 90's,we were in the same division around 50% of the time .In the 70's I too spent 2 or 3 seasons going to both clubs alternatively until I discovered the fun of away games when I turned 15.
    The 13 years when we didn't play them lessened the rivalry for me and I even went there a few times with my mate . I even wanted the Spanners to win against United in the 2004 Cup Final . The rivalry only began for me when we played them again.

    In an ideal world I would like them to stay up this season because it does make the season more interesting ,but at the moment until we are safe I cheer every defeat in the same way I do for Barnsley,Birmingham,Blackpool Doncaster and Yeovil.

  • Did that with my Spanner brother a lot in the late '60s, early '70s. Started at two bob each to get in and a tanner for a programme between us, which was affordable for a couple of kids. How many eleven or twelve year olds could fund their own football tickets now?

    You paid to get in?!
  • Yeah part of me would also like Millwall to stay up because it makes the division more interesting and I have a bit of fun with my Millwall mate BUT they always seem to nick the points!
  • cafc1263 said:

    Agree with you on that, Yes we all want Charlton to be above Millwall and beat them, and for all you younger boys years ago Millwall fans And Charlton fans used to go to each other's grounds to watch the game when there team we're playing away.
    True.

    As a youngster back in the late 60s, when Charlton were away I'd quite often be taken to the old Den by my Dad and his Charlton supporting mates - we'd all go hoping to see Millwall lose!

    In fact my first never to be forgotten visit was 14 October 1967, Millwall 1 Aston Villa 2 - and at the final whistle, their thugs invaded the pitch, referee Steve Burtenshaw was kicked to the ground and beaten up.

    Unbelievable scene.


  • Valley11 said:

    Some Cafc fans' obsession to have a rival is bordering on sad now.
    Very few fans of any other club view us a rivals. We're nice and fairly successful. Who gives a fk if we don't have a 'rival'. Grow up it's dull.

    Totally agree with this^

    The fact of the matter is that Millwall and Palace fans, generally, don't give a monkeys about us half as much as `we' do about them.

    An example from the last time we played Palace - I remember, a couple of days prior to the match, some donut on here exclaimed `ooooo look, they say they don't care about us but read this!' whilst posting a link to a Palace forum. It had half a dozen posts on it....half a f******** dozen....on a forum with hundreds of members (similar to here). I checked a couple of days later, after the match, and it had a further 3 posts....and sunk. They really couldn't give a toss. This is typical of the vast majority of threads involving us on Millwall/Palace forums....

    ....but look what happens on here. Millwall/Palace `hatred' threads can run for page after page. Yes of course we want to beat them, like they want to beat us....natural local/London rivalry etc....but it's embarrassing how we try to pick verbal `fights' with these clubs supporters.

    Palace are actually very similar to us.....in fact maybe thats the problem. It's like looking in the mirror a bit too much and not liking what we see. Personally I think our `Palace problem' is due to shame but there you go.



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  • Valley11 said:

    Some Cafc fans' obsession to have a rival is bordering on sad now.
    Very few fans of any other club view us a rivals. We're nice and fairly successful. Who gives a fk if we don't have a 'rival'. Grow up it's dull.

    I think one of the strangest things about football, is not the rivalries - but the rivalries of the rivalries. "Our rivalry is better than yours!" - what the hell is that about?
  • They're gonna snake out of it the scum bag cnuts
  • Totally agree with this^

    The fact of the matter is that Millwall and Palace fans, generally, don't give a monkeys about us half as much as `we' do about them.

    An example from the last time we played Palace - I remember, a couple of days prior to the match, some donut on here exclaimed `ooooo look, they say they don't care about us but read this!' whilst posting a link to a Palace forum. It had half a dozen posts on it....half a f******** dozen....on a forum with hundreds of members (similar to here). I checked a couple of days later, after the match, and it had a further 3 posts....and sunk. They really couldn't give a toss. This is typical of the vast majority of threads involving us on Millwall/Palace forums....

    ....but look what happens on here. Millwall/Palace `hatred' threads can run for page after page. Yes of course we want to beat them, like they want to beat us....natural local/London rivalry etc....but it's embarrassing how we try to pick verbal `fights' with these clubs supporters.

    Palace are actually very similar to us.....in fact maybe thats the problem. It's like looking in the mirror a bit too much and not liking what we see. Personally I think our `Palace problem' is due to shame but there you go.



    In a nut shell.

    Sense at last on the subject.
  • cafc1263 said:

    Agree with you on that, Yes we all want Charlton to be above Millwall and beat them, and for all you younger boys years ago Millwall fans And Charlton fans used to go to each other's grounds to watch the game when there team we're playing away.
    My dad just loves watching football, so before the days of Sky sports, and travelling away in numbers to watch your team, when Millwall was away he'd quite often go over to the valley to get a game in. He said loads of Millwall did it, and visa versa.
  • They're gonna snake out of it the scum bag cnuts

    They're gonna snake out of it the scum bag cnuts

    If you mean Millwall, no way. Too little too late.
  • I do mean millwall , I'd rather your squad than ours , at least you lot have a goal threat in all games, just a chump of a manager who can't organise you defensively
  • If you mean Millwall, no way. Too late too late.
    The gap is two points. Grow some balls.
  • The gap is two points. Grow some balls.
    Three points with the goal difference. And you have two games in hand over. And we really are genuinely shit. I'll ever give up total hope. But the bookies have us at about 10 to 1 on, and I'd say that was about right. You never know though.
  • Totally agree with this^

    The fact of the matter is that Millwall and Palace fans, generally, don't give a monkeys about us half as much as `we' do about them.

    An example from the last time we played Palace - I remember, a couple of days prior to the match, some donut on here exclaimed `ooooo look, they say they don't care about us but read this!' whilst posting a link to a Palace forum. It had half a dozen posts on it....half a f******** dozen....on a forum with hundreds of members (similar to here). I checked a couple of days later, after the match, and it had a further 3 posts....and sunk. They really couldn't give a toss. This is typical of the vast majority of threads involving us on Millwall/Palace forums....

    ....but look what happens on here. Millwall/Palace `hatred' threads can run for page after page. Yes of course we want to beat them, like they want to beat us....natural local/London rivalry etc....but it's embarrassing how we try to pick verbal `fights' with these clubs supporters.

    Palace are actually very similar to us.....in fact maybe thats the problem. It's like looking in the mirror a bit too much and not liking what we see. Personally I think our `Palace problem' is due to shame but there you go.



    we are absolutely nothing like palace

  • Charlton are no way as cringeworthy as palace
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