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  • NLA,

    I wasn't criticising you for your actions I was just making an observation. If they are behaving the way you describe and I don't, for a second, doubt you, then they deserve all they get. I just think that these things can escalate and it would be far better if these confrontations were avoided at all costs. It is an issue that the law enforcement in France should be addressing, although I have no idea how they would go about doing so, but I'm not in that line of work so I wouldn't be expected to.

    I'm with SHG in that I have sympathy for anyone that lives in poor conditions for any reason. I'm just too selfish to want to, actually, sacrifice my or my family's wealth/standard of living/lifestyle to help those less well off than I am. I'm not particularly proud of that but I'm also not ashamed of it. I suspect that there are many that feel the same as I do.

    However, for the avoidance of doubt, there is no need to ask me if I would like to put any of these people up in my house as I would not. I just have some sympathy for them.
  • Red why not show a graph which shows how many came to ENGLAND against the rest of Europe ?
    That old chestnut of "plenty of room here" always uses the UK when 90%+ of ALL immigration (legal and non) comes to England.

    If all immigration was to go to Scotland in ten years there would be more immigrants than Scots.
  • Illegal immigrants cannot receive benefits.

    Tone down the xenophobia.
    But they'll want access to housing, healthcare and possibly education. We don't have enough of any of those right now due to the massive increase in our population over the last few years.
  • If all immigration was to go to Scotland in ten years there would be more immigrants than Scots.

    They go to where the jobs are.

    I'm sure you will support government investment to make sure that that's Scotland.
  • edited July 2015

    But they'll want access to housing, healthcare and possibly education. We don't have enough of any of those right now due to the massive increase in our population over the last few years.
    And if caught they become undocumented asylum claimants and are then on the benefits pathway. It's why I lol'd you the last time you made the point SELR.
  • its also the cost of their welfare---food--health-security--accommodation

    and then there are the lawyers---courts.
  • cabbles said:

    That's nothing compared to your gambling winnings though I bet smiffy :wink:

    Acca season is upon us again soon. I'll be starting the new thread I think so we can all focus on who your money is on
    lol cheers cables but tax on betting was scrapped years ago otherwise your right that figure would be doubled, ps did you see my £1800 in 3 days last week!!!!!!!!
  • edited July 2015
    Richard Burnett from the Road Haulage Association, has just called the Cameron new proposals are 'sticking plaster's...... He proposes some extra fencing and dogs.
    Stack was supposed to be an emergency measure, The transport minister is considering Manston, and a lorry park!. Why considering it!. Action is needed now, then review the situation, and try a formulate a medium term solution. Said a day or so ago Flimsy fences ain't gonna cut it, and with respect although the French have made a bit more effort, it is still woeful in the current situation. Seem's more that Cameron want's to be 'seen' to be doing something, which I appreciate is now a very difficult situation for all sides to resolve.
    But there has to be order, and it has to be immediate, not sometime next week, possibly?. God knows how the poor people of Kent are putting up with this, I should imagine that the prime tourist trade must be taking a terrible toll, which in turn will make the recovery that this region badly needs being badly affected. As I again mention, if we as a nation cannot protect our borders what can we protect, take some leadership Cameron, even if it is a temporary measure to regain law and order. Then engage with whoever to deliver a solution, or at least measures to resolve this issue.
  • Richard Burnett from the Road Haulage Association, has just called the Cameron new proposals are 'sticking plaster's...... He proposes some extra fencing and dogs.
    Stack was supposed to be an emergency measure, The transport minister is considering Manston, and a lorry park!. Why considering it!. Action is needed now, then review the situation, and try a formulate a medium term solution. Said a day or so ago Flimsy fences ain't gonna cut it, and with respect although the French have made a bit more effort, it is still woeful in the current situation. Seem's more that Cameron want's to be 'seen' to be doing something, which I appreciate is now a very difficult situation for all sides to resolve.
    But there has to be order, and it has to be immediate, not sometime next week, possibly?. God knows how the poor people of Kent are putting up with this, I should imagine that the prime tourist trade must be taking a terrible toll, which in turn will make the recovery that this region badly needs being badly affected. As I again mention, if we as a nation cannot protect our borders what can we protect, take some leadership Cameron, even if it is a temporary measure to regain law and order. Then engage with whoever to deliver a solution, or at least measures to resolve this issue.

    Get Bailey down there to bite some of them in the nadgers.

  • edited July 2015

    No I don't. But I also don't believe that all of the people in Calais trying to get across are bad people.


    It only takes one thoughd SHG don't it and id stick my house on the fact that more than one is a baden. If they're happy to jump on moving trains to get their goal, what else aire they capable of?

    Life is very cheap to folk like that
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  • Why anyone would want to help these filth is beyond me, have you looked into the people your offering a sensitive and caring side too , these are gangs of knife wielding robbers and scum
  • smiffyboy said:

    lol cheers cables but tax on betting was scrapped years ago otherwise your right that figure would be doubled, ps did you see my £1800 in 3 days last week!!!!!!!!
    Haha - yep I know the tax was scrapped years ago. I meant you could probably cover your tax bill with your winnings :wink:

    No I missed the £1800. On the horses I'm guessing
  • its also the cost of their welfare---food--health-security--accommodation

    and then there are the lawyers---courts.

    Who you gonna call...... Black Lawyers Association
  • cabbles said:

    Haha - yep I know the tax was scrapped years ago. I meant you could probably cover your tax bill with your winnings :wink:

    No I missed the £1800. On the horses I'm guessing
    Yep sure was bring on the football!!!
  • Why anyone would want to help these filth is beyond me, have you looked into the people your offering a sensitive and caring side too , these are gangs of knife wielding robbers and scum

    Too many do gooders in the country that don't live in the real world mate
  • brogib said:


    It only takes one thoughd SHG don't it and id stick my house on the fact that more than one is a baden. If they're happy to jump on moving trains to get their goal, what else aire they capable of?

    Life is very cheap to folk like that
    Citing their desperation to get to the UK by jumping on a moving train and then equating that to to being a bad person is a phenomenal leap. In fact it's further than the original train jump.

    Perhaps we ought to keep a very close eye on all those currently here predisposed to liking a bungee jump or a penchant for hand gliding.
  • Why anyone would want to help these filth is beyond me, have you looked into the people your offering a sensitive and caring side too , these are gangs of knife wielding robbers and scum

    I saw this on the news this morning, and online found this link:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/watch-migrants-in-calais-help-children-over-fence-near-eurotunnel-10429397.html

    I absolutely and fully accept that children are in the minority, and I absolutely accept NLA what you say about the threats and attacks you have endured.
    However at least one person in all this is clearly a child, and it is not unreasonable for somebody to be affected by seeing stuff like this and express some sympathy.
    In this picture it is a little kid, and even if the kid is being used by baddies, it is still a little kid there who can't know the wider world picture, the child seems so young.

  • I have more issue that the French don't take the child and put it into care and into a family , it's like the gypsies on the tubes with the hand written note and their sad faces saying feed me help me it's all part of the scam
  • But Seth as a father myself, if I was in their situation fleeing my country with my family because of war I would stop at the first safe place I found not travel through many country's to stop at Calais make my family camp in squalor and then risk their lives further trying to get them on to moving trains or hiding them in lorrys etc
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  • Illegal immigrants cannot receive benefits.

    Tone down the xenophobia.
    The one has arrived.
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    WSS said:
    Bugger. I have to work there quite a bit, and it's nice little jolly on the HS1. Expect the peace to be shattered now.

  • smiffyboy said:

    But Seth as a father myself, if I was in their situation fleeing my country with my family because of war I would stop at the first safe place I found not travel through many country's to stop at Calais make my family camp in squalor and then risk their lives further trying to get them on to moving trains or hiding them in lorrys etc

    I would do the same. however for whatever reason we see a child, a pawn in the game if you like, and NLA is absolutely right that the French authorities should remove that child to a place of safety.
    But they're not.
    And that child, and possibly some other people, even adults, are caught up in all of this, people who might deserve some sympathy and help.
    In this situation the responsibility rests with the authorities, and they should implement their rules and guidelines. I don't believe French rules and guidelines would mean leaving a child in that situation, and for that little one at least the French ought to act.

  • seth plum said:

    I saw this on the news this morning, and online found this link:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/watch-migrants-in-calais-help-children-over-fence-near-eurotunnel-10429397.html

    I absolutely and fully accept that children are in the minority, and I absolutely accept NLA what you say about the threats and attacks you have endured.
    However at least one person in all this is clearly a child, and it is not unreasonable for somebody to be affected by seeing stuff like this and express some sympathy.
    In this picture it is a little kid, and even if the kid is being used by baddies, it is still a little kid there who can't know the wider world picture, the child seems so young.

    saw that and as the article read 'Ebbsfleet can only accommodate 1,00 lorries, and there were 3,500 the other night'..... and the residents of Kent do not seem very happy with the 'effort' so far..... who can blame them!
  • I heard on the news this morning that a lot want to come to the UK because there is a huge and unregulated black job-market there which is facilitated by the fact that there are no ID cards.
  • Yes Cameron has a mandate. But the horse bolted many years ago under Blair and Cameron has been left to pick up the pieces. It is now an impossible job, that cannot be solved. It is sadly something that I predicted when I decided to move my family to Australia in 2003. When it takes over a week to see a GP or six months to see a specialist, or when the queues at the post office are backing up down the street, then you know the system is buckling under the strain.
    Yes you did express sympathy towards NLA. I was simply making the point that the people of the UK also have rights, but those rights are often ignored by the left who would happily open the borders to anyone who would like make a new life in the UK, no matter how much that impacts the lives of the people already there.

    So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
  • edited July 2015
    It'll be interesting to see how the migrant situation in the Mediterranean and the knock on problems in Calais play out in the forthcoming EU referendum. I can see it becoming the defining issue which is hardly going to help the pro EU cause.
  • iainment said:

    So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
    Would you say the same to Johnnie Foreigner, living in the UK with concerns about their homeland?
  • France is approximately twice the size of the UK, with about the same population (63m) so they have more room to accommodate these people.
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