The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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I start work out there in a week's time. Give me a couple of years and I'll see what I can do!Valley11 said:We don't half attract random owners. A Belgian electronics mogul and now the Aussie Walmart King.
A mega rich middle eastern fella would fine
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I hope CARD are on to the first game party arrangements. It would be nice to see the Valley awash with red and white.13
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I don't think there is a direct link but I certainly agree that RD was already planning to sell and so didn't want to spend big. He cleared out a lot of big earners and spent little on fees although he did allow Robinson to bring in some good players so there was some budget.Valley11 said:I wonder if this explains the odd transfer dealings at the end of the summer window. Flogging Novak last minute, bringing in an inexperienced loan and going into the season without backup for Josh.
If you're closet to selling the club then there's no sense in splashing cash on what is usually the most expensive position to recruit in.
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I just hope Sue likes her Vol-au-Vents barbecued.J BLOCK said:The thought of booting that Sue Parkes and that Smirking Katrien out of our club, gives me shivers. Within an hour of that happening I'll be in the boozer, we'll have our Charlton back!
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You can't sack Robinson for anyone. He's got Charlton controlling games and playing some of the best football I've seen in years.22
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Couple of things.
Aussies do winning (i say that through clenched teeth). They have a no doubts approach to sport that New Zealand and England in general struggles to emulate. A few Aussies (with talent) would provide some serious grit.
Secondly this thread is better than drugs, I'm absolutely as high as a kite on it at the moment.
...GIF of sweaty, bare and sunken chested person, dancing and gurning on Ectsasy...7 -
Right about what? I'm just saying I'm prepared to see what happens with a new owner because this one has been shit. Maybe the next one will be, we won't know till someone tries. I doubt many people will take over Charlton and footballing success is not their main aim, unlike the current owner.JamesSeed said:
I just hope you're right.Nug said:JamesSeed said:
Wanting success and wanting the fans along with them isn't enough. They need buckets of cash.Nug said:
Doesn't have to be a fairytale just some owners who want success on the pitch first and foremost and want the fans along with them.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:.
Maintaining healthy scepticism whilst hoping for the best but won't be surprised if it's not a fairytale as don't seem to be many successful takeovers in recent years but hoping we buck that trend if this materialises.Nug said:
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.SDAddick said:
These are my thoughts exactly.ShootersHillGuru said:I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
What exactly is their business model?
We have an owner with buckets of cash and it's not really been a success has it? Wanting success and taking the fans along is probably enough for me at the moment after the last 3 years.1 -
9/10 new owners will bring in their own manager/one they rate.
Parkinson got the boot when Slater/Jiminez came in and the same happened with Powell under the Belgians.
If Robinson gets the boot, cause the Belgians have sold up, then that's part and parcel of life.3 -
Here you go @KiwiValleyKiwiValley said:Couple of things.
Aussies do winning (i say that through clenched teeth). They have a no doubts approach to sport that New Zealand and England in general struggles to emulate. A few Aussies (with talent) would provide some serious grit.
Secondly this thread is better than drugs, I'm absolutely as high as a kite on it at the moment.
...GIF of sweaty, bare and sunken chested person, dancing and gurning on Ectsasy...
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He's been trying to ingratiate himself with the regime for some time now. He must be gutted to see them go. lol._nam11 said:
He’s just got the ump that Rick is more respected and believed than himself. Pity.PaddyP17 said:The VOTV article has been shared on FB
Reams of Verse AKA Paul May is drunk
And I think he's soon to offer me out!!!! HERE WE GO LADS
I think we'd all be of one mind on this forum if this apparent takeover was happening 12 months ago, but the progress that's been made over the last six months is making some people nervous about change, perhaps unsurprisingly.
But I've always said that there was a good chance that the progress was all about Duchatelet preparing the club for sale.
I hope any new owners leave things as they are for the moment, team-wise.0 -
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If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan9 -
Leave off.Swisdom said:If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan12 -
Very close Beardface, very close.Beardface said:
Here you go @KiwiValleyKiwiValley said:Couple of things.
Aussies do winning (i say that through clenched teeth). They have a no doubts approach to sport that New Zealand and England in general struggles to emulate. A few Aussies (with talent) would provide some serious grit.
Secondly this thread is better than drugs, I'm absolutely as high as a kite on it at the moment.
...GIF of sweaty, bare and sunken chested person, dancing and gurning on Ectsasy...1 -
Jeez @Covered End...give it a rest from Brexit talk...we're all getting excited here!!!!Covered End said:
How can anything be worth a gamble when you don't know the runners and riders/teams/contestants ?Nug said:
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.SDAddick said:
These are my thoughts exactly.ShootersHillGuru said:I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
What exactly is their business model?
We all know the current owner is toxic, but at this stage, I for one know nothing about a potential new owner and their finances, so how can I possibly take a a gamble today ?
Give me some facts and I'd agree that on the balance of probability a new owner could be great, but with zero information I cannot.
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Sadly, Uncle Roly has been too busy stuffing us into the mincer for us to make it as far as the frying pan.Swisdom said:If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan
I'm still not a fan of Robinson, so I'm relatively relaxed about the idea that he might get the heave ho.
The issue is not whether the new owners (if the sale happens) bring in a new manager, but whether changes improve or damage the club's position.
Just as in previous seasons, a decent(ish) start to the season does not mean that everything is rosy, or that the manager/coach is the Messiah. Even in the best case scenario, we could easily be a month away from any changeover, by which time the positive views that some have of Robinson may have altered.8 -
We simply will not progress under RD, or if we will we have shown no signs in nearly 4 years of his ownership.Swisdom said:If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan
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Or not......as the case may be.NornIrishAddick said:
Sadly, Uncle Roly has been too busy stuffing us into the mincer for us to make it as far as the frying pan.Swisdom said:If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan
I'm still not a fan of Robinson, so I'm relatively relaxed about the idea that he might get the heave ho.
The issue is not whether the new owners (if the happen) bring in a new manager, but whether changes improve or damage the club's position.
Just as in previous seasons, a decent(ish) start to the season does not mean that everything is rosy, or that the manager/coach is the Messiah. Even in the best case scenario, we could easily be a month away from any changeover, by which time the positive views that some have of Robinson may have altered.0 -
unbelievableSwisdom said:If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan4 -
Swisdom said:
If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan
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I think we should have a referendum on whether to keep Robinson in or to tell him to leave. we could call it gobsxit.17
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Every season has been a write off under these twats - we have gone either sideways or down and suffered a continual drain of talent, both on and off the pitchSwisdom said:If Robinson goes this season is a write off.
First things Roland and co did get rid of Kermorgant and Powell. Both decisions have hunted them since they were made.
Wouldn’t it be nice if new owners came in and listened to the fans. The guy from Australia is unlikely to have a particularly good grasp on L1 where as Karl Robinson certainly does. Coming in and scking him would be a quick step backwards.
We are playing some of the best football we have played for many many years - imagine the potential Robinson was allowed to bring in all the players he wants.
I’ve said it before but my big concern is the money. With roland we are not running out of money and Are nowhere near Administration. We do not want to jump out of the frying pan19 -
Quick message to the cautious and the concerned. There are two very important things to remember here:
1. Things couldn't be any worse. The club doesn't have a future with Duchatelet in control and Incompetent Katie at the helm. If he doesn't sell up, all we have to look forward to is a long lingering death. We are already in the frying pan. Sure, we could jump into the fire, but we could also jump to safety with happy days ahead. Might as well enjoy the moment, because if we stay put we are frazzled.
2. Back in the real world, it doesn't matter one jot what we think or what we write on here. The deal will go ahead, or not, on one factor: Do both parties feel that they are getting what they want. Millions of pounds are at stake here. They aren't going to change their minds because someone in Eltham is a bit cautious or because someone in California does understand their exit strategy.
Just enjoy the moment, and if it all goes wrong at some point down the line, lets worry about that then. We've wanted Two Shats out for years, let's not spoil the enjoyment of him going by fretting about the next owner.56 -
Im on a course today so perfect for refreshing this thread.
As for Robbo. They'd be mad to get rid of him whilst results are good. I want Powell back as much as anyone but the time has to be right. Robbo has been backed more than any manager under RD so let's make the most of it. If he doesn't take us up I would bring in Powell though.2 -
This is what I was thinking because the situation with the former Directors debentures will have to have been addressed if we are at a fairly advanced stage of DD and we know that one ex Director (not RM) has not been afraid to share his views with us in the past although will have to be very select with whom he shares info at this juncture.johnny73 said:For this to have leaked I would have thought the sale is at the stage where former directors, and not just Murray, are being consulted.
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In the words of the late Doris Kappelhoff 'Que sera sera', but this thread has reignited the forum and its been great hearing a range of views interspersed with the usual banter and humour. Hope Cantersaddick gets some work done today!5
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What this man said.Stig said:Quick message to the cautious and the concerned. There are two very important things to remember here:
1. Things couldn't be any worse. The club doesn't have a future with Duchatelet in control and Incompetent Katie at the helm. If he doesn't sell up, all we have to look forward to is a long lingering death. We are already in the frying pan. Sure, we could jump into the fire, but we could also jump to safety with happy days ahead. Might as well enjoy the moment, because if we stay put we are frazzled.
2. Back in the real world, it doesn't matter one jot what we think or what we write on here. The deal will go ahead, or not, on one factor: Do both parties feel that they are getting what they want. Millions of pounds are at stake here. They aren't going to change their minds because someone in Eltham is a bit cautious or because someone in California does understand their exit strategy.
Just enjoy the moment, and if it all goes wrong at some point down the line, lets worry about that then. We've wanted Two Shats out for years, let's not spoil the enjoyment of him going by fretting about the next owner.3 -
Not everyone wants to sit there in black and white scarves, throw toys on the pitch or stay away. Fans have left through their own choice and I was one of them historically before breaking the self imposed boycott in full this term.Nug said:
Crikey....you know the owner is toxic, fans are leaving in droves, we have the richest owner in our history but one who has no ambition to further Charlton as a competitive football team and you're happy to carry on as we are. I'm still amazed at how quickly people have changed their tune on getting these idiots out. Could new owners be worse? Yes. Could they be better? Yes. Maybe I'm prepared to take the chance because I won't be back till these idiots fuck off.Covered End said:
How can anything be worth a gamble when you don't know the runners and riders/team/contestants ?Nug said:
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.SDAddick said:
These are my thoughts exactly.ShootersHillGuru said:I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
What exactly is their business model?
We all know the current owner is toxic, but at this stage, I for one know nothing about a potential new owner and their finances, so how can I possibly take a a gamble today ?
Give me some facts and I'd agree that on the balance of probability a new owner could be great, but with zero information I cannot.
If you look objectively at this season in isolation bar the clown tossery with Novak and the last minute transfer deadline striker fiasco albeit early doors I would say on balance the season has started successfully. Good team, good manager, Charlton people coaching set up, good team spirit, excellent ticket prices and competing at the top of the league. Didn't sell key players in the summer and added to the squad with signings who appear to have been the managers own.
Even the hugely incompetent CEO has been silenced from making any further gaffes. We are also a going concern with players, football and non football staff and suppliers all getting paid on time...this alone gives an edge when attracting players particularly at this level.
If things have been so terrible and "toxic" this season where are the protests?
The atmosphere in North upper was superb on Saturday and probably for the reasons outlined two paragraphs above.
Many have lost objectivity and balance as can be evidenced by assuming negativity in every single thing the club does these days which has further alienated and patronised those who have a different view and widened the division in our fan base.
The desire to get the owners out is clouding judgement. If you view our current season in isolation we are a going concern, spending on the training ground with a decent manager who in the main appears to be selecting and prucuring his players with relative autonomy.
I was vehemently in the get them out ASAP camp at all costs during the Fraeye era and attended the organic first few protests and an early CARD one whilst boycotting ie travelling to protest hanging about on my todd in a pub during the game and returning to barrack outside the west stand after.
I don't like the owner, rate the executive and will always resent them for the shit they bestowed in the early days and the resultant dwindling and divided fan base. They are in my opinion the worst Charlton ownership in my memory.
Whilst I am loathe to in anyway defend, justify or argue for them remaining I am trying to be objective and look at where we are today and am sceptical to the point of paranoia that in 2017 each new takeover in football particularly at this level is a gamble with the entire clubs going concern. If we were still in the karel Fraeye era and him and his.band of merry European pub players were leading us to obscurity then I would be very much of the attitude of any takeover is worth that risk as will be evidenced over many of my vitriolic posts against the regime in the past few years.
However as we stand from today I don't like them but I fear there could be far worse than what we have today and whilst I will try to be objective with new owners IF we getake them just will be very cautious and reserved in judging whether it is an improvement on what we currently have today until the evidence is there as after the last 10 years it would be silly not too.
Really hope it works out for us.
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Flipping heck Canters, I had barely pressed the post comment tab and you're off already. PS, well said though.2
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I'm just saying 'some owners who want success on the pitch first and foremost and want the fans along with them' is a given, of course, but if that's all they're bringing to the table, forget it.Nug said:
Right about what? I'm just saying I'm prepared to see what happens with a new owner because this one has been shit. Maybe the next one will be, we won't know till someone tries. I doubt many people will take over Charlton and footballing success is not their main aim, unlike the current owner.JamesSeed said:
I just hope you're right.Nug said:JamesSeed said:
Wanting success and wanting the fans along with them isn't enough. They need buckets of cash.Nug said:
Doesn't have to be a fairytale just some owners who want success on the pitch first and foremost and want the fans along with them.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:.
Maintaining healthy scepticism whilst hoping for the best but won't be surprised if it's not a fairytale as don't seem to be many successful takeovers in recent years but hoping we buck that trend if this materialises.Nug said:
What's the current business model, alienate the fans and sell any young player with an ounce of talent? Amazing how quickly people forget what's gone on for the last 3 years after a half decent start to the season in a shit league. I think it's worth a gamble.SDAddick said:
These are my thoughts exactly.ShootersHillGuru said:I've missed out on a whole evening of posts having just spent the entire evening driving back from Devon.
Was hoping a little more detail had leaked out but seems not.
Based on the likelihood that it's the Aussies we're talking about just how certain are we that their ownership would be a safe pair of hands ? All the talk of not having enough funds have persisted although I guess that at least must have changed.
I presume we know their business model and we know that they have ambition but is that enough ?
I would hate us to jump out of the frying pan straight into the fire.
Just saying.
What exactly is their business model?
We have an owner with buckets of cash and it's not really been a success has it? Wanting success and taking the fans along is probably enough for me at the moment after the last 3 years.1 -
I really don't like Robinson, but sacking him would be ludicrous, we are in the playoffs and have spent sod all. Back him in January, properly, and reevaluate at end of season17
