Got a feeling in my water that we will be a tad disappointed when Grant goes and we fail to get a suitable replacement. LB and SG have worked wonders early doors in this window, but I feel the "owner being a cunt" factor will put paid to us getting anyone decent in to directly replace KG.
Not surprised. The idea that we were going to bring in two strikers was always pie in the sky.
It’ll be a loan (Eisa?) or nothing. And Roland pockets the cash from the Grant sale.
That’s right, put out a little nugget to the press hinting we’ll spend money to replace Karlan, and keep down dissension in the ranks. Once it’s all done and dusted, move the goal posts and just sign a loan. Can’t believe fans and press are still falling for Roland’s bullshit.
Anyone who thinks we won’t come out of this deal weaker, is kidding themselves.
The Grant deal still may hit a snag. I can just see Huddersfield offering the £1.5m and the person negotiating for Charlton rejecting the offer because it’s too high.
Not surprised. The idea that we were going to bring in two strikers was always pie in the sky.
It’ll be a loan (Eisa?) or nothing. And Roland pockets the cash from the Grant sale.
That’s right, put out a little nugget to the press hinting we’ll spend money to replace Karlan, and keep down dissension in the ranks. Once it’s all done and dusted, move the goal posts and just sign a loan. Can’t believe fans and press are still falling for Roland’s bullshit.
Anyone who thinks we won’t come out of this deal weaker, is kidding themselves.
RD is also destroying his own asset by his comical mismanagement. The guy is an utter fool.
When I say a player is a misser, it doesn't mean he doesn't score goals. It means he misses a lot of chances. Now if he gets those chances that no other player would, then it is fine. That is the judgement you have to make. When you calculate how many points Grant has won us, you have to assume another striker may have scored some too. I am not trying to say that he hasn't been an important part of the team and our relative success this season. We are in League one we all must remember, and not guaranteed to get out of that! But whilst imporatnt, I can see how we could improve the team if Grant left and we got a better finisher in. We are a team that is a bit lacking in composed finishers relative to their positions, through the team.
We will not get a better finisher in. Grant has 14 goals in 28 games. That's a goal every other game, which is a ratio any striker would kill for, regardless of age. Every striker at every level is a 'misser'. If any striker scored every time he had a chance he'd be the greatest player to ever live. Grant misses chances but so does every striker, this idea of Grant as someone who misses too many chances is insane.
You know who else used to miss a lot of chances? Bradley Wright-Phillips. He was always determined to hit the target rather than trying to place his shots, so he hit the keeper a lot. He was never written off as a 'misser' though, we couldn't get enough of the fact we finally had a proper goalscorer after years of lacking one. How many goals did BWP have at this stage in our title winning season? 14. And he was also in the middle of his barren run and hadn't scored since 19th November, and wouldn't again until 25th February. He ended up with 22 goals, which if he carried on the way he had in the second half of this season I think Grant would have beaten, despite Grant playing in a weaker team than the one BWP was in. £2m for Grant is well below the market value - forced by his contract situation - and will go towards Roland's losses, and we will do incredibly well to get a decent striker in in January who is at the standard of Grant. It's a huge loss
You see, I have a mental assessment of BWP as a scorer. He was just a confidence player which is different. When on form, he was a get two chances, score two goals sort of player which gave us an excellent springboard for most of our promotion season.
But that's the point isn't it; you've made this assessment but the stats don't back it up. BWP missed hatfuls, absolutely hatfuls of chances. He got a hell of a lot of chances and converted a decent amount of them. He certainly wasn't a scorer between November and February. Two chances two goals? He scored more than one goal in only four matches in our league winning season, and he was definitely on form for much of that. His hattrick against Chesterfield was his first career hattrick; because he would always miss more chances than he scored. Grant has scored two goals in a game twice this half of the season. BWP was a good player and a good goalscorer at this level. So is Grant. The idea that one is a killer goalscorer and the other misses his chances just doens't follow on. I feel bad for Grant, he couldn't really have done more this season
Roland will say to Bowyer that he has Taylor, Reeco, Igor or a youth player to choose from. He will also ask why an expensive loan goalkeeper isn't playing, oh and by the way there have been decent results without Aribo, so you won't be needing him, after all Williams wages won't pay themselves. Bowyer will say it is what it is.
Not surprised. The idea that we were going to bring in two strikers was always pie in the sky.
It’ll be a loan (Eisa?) or nothing. And Roland pockets the cash from the Grant sale.
That’s right, put out a little nugget to the press hinting we’ll spend money to replace Karlan, and keep down dissension in the ranks. Once it’s all done and dusted, move the goal posts and just sign a loan. Can’t believe fans and press are still falling for Roland’s bullshit.
Anyone who thinks we won’t come out of this deal weaker, is kidding themselves.
RD is also destroying his own asset by his comical mismanagement. The guy is an utter fool.
Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!? The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best. Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.
Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!? The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best. Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.
I am totally cheesed off about this deal .. but you get used to it after a while and accept that bigger (supposedly) more ambitious clubs will poach our best young talent. However, we still have a great shot at promotion whoever leaves or comes in
Some 'fans' might spend time moaning and wailing, I know that Bowyer and the players won't, they'll just keep looking to win games and get as many points as possible
When I say a player is a misser, it doesn't mean he doesn't score goals. It means he misses a lot of chances. Now if he gets those chances that no other player would, then it is fine. That is the judgement you have to make. When you calculate how many points Grant has won us, you have to assume another striker may have scored some too. I am not trying to say that he hasn't been an important part of the team and our relative success this season. We are in League one we all must remember, and not guaranteed to get out of that! But whilst imporatnt, I can see how we could improve the team if Grant left and we got a better finisher in. We are a team that is a bit lacking in composed finishers relative to their positions, through the team.
We will not get a better finisher in. Grant has 14 goals in 28 games. That's a goal every other game, which is a ratio any striker would kill for, regardless of age. Every striker at every level is a 'misser'. If any striker scored every time he had a chance he'd be the greatest player to ever live. Grant misses chances but so does every striker, this idea of Grant as someone who misses too many chances is insane.
You know who else used to miss a lot of chances? Bradley Wright-Phillips. He was always determined to hit the target rather than trying to place his shots, so he hit the keeper a lot. He was never written off as a 'misser' though, we couldn't get enough of the fact we finally had a proper goalscorer after years of lacking one. How many goals did BWP have at this stage in our title winning season? 14. And he was also in the middle of his barren run and hadn't scored since 19th November, and wouldn't again until 25th February. He ended up with 22 goals, which if he carried on the way he had in the second half of this season I think Grant would have beaten, despite Grant playing in a weaker team than the one BWP was in. £2m for Grant is well below the market value - forced by his contract situation - and will go towards Roland's losses, and we will do incredibly well to get a decent striker in in January who is at the standard of Grant. It's a huge loss
You see, I have a mental assessment of BWP as a scorer. He was just a confidence player which is different. When on form, he was a get two chances, score two goals sort of player which gave us an excellent springboard for most of our promotion season.
But that's the point isn't it; you've made this assessment but the stats don't back it up. BWP missed hatfuls, absolutely hatfuls of chances. He got a hell of a lot of chances and converted a decent amount of them. He certainly wasn't a scorer between November and February. Two chances two goals? He scored more than one goal in only four matches in our league winning season, and he was definitely on form for much of that. His hattrick against Chesterfield was his first career hattrick; because he would always miss more chances than he scored. Grant has scored two goals in a game twice this half of the season. BWP was a good player and a good goalscorer at this level. So is Grant. The idea that one is a killer goalscorer and the other misses his chances just doens't follow on. I feel bad for Grant, he couldn't really have done more this season
He lost form, but when he was on form he didn't miss chances. My point was that one is a natural goalscorer and one isn't. That isn't to ignore Grant's goals but I doubt he will get more than BWP over has career, or even close.
Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!? The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best. Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.
I'm no longer totally convinced that it will be a loan + a perm signing for #cafc. Time will tell on that one. If not, and Grant does go, it needs to be a quality replacement.
The only surprise for me here is that Cawley fell for that notion in the first place. It's not as if he is new to Duchatelet's world.
When I say a player is a misser, it doesn't mean he doesn't score goals. It means he misses a lot of chances. Now if he gets those chances that no other player would, then it is fine. That is the judgement you have to make. When you calculate how many points Grant has won us, you have to assume another striker may have scored some too. I am not trying to say that he hasn't been an important part of the team and our relative success this season. We are in League one we all must remember, and not guaranteed to get out of that! But whilst imporatnt, I can see how we could improve the team if Grant left and we got a better finisher in. We are a team that is a bit lacking in composed finishers relative to their positions, through the team.
We will not get a better finisher in. Grant has 14 goals in 28 games. That's a goal every other game, which is a ratio any striker would kill for, regardless of age. Every striker at every level is a 'misser'. If any striker scored every time he had a chance he'd be the greatest player to ever live. Grant misses chances but so does every striker, this idea of Grant as someone who misses too many chances is insane.
You know who else used to miss a lot of chances? Bradley Wright-Phillips. He was always determined to hit the target rather than trying to place his shots, so he hit the keeper a lot. He was never written off as a 'misser' though, we couldn't get enough of the fact we finally had a proper goalscorer after years of lacking one. How many goals did BWP have at this stage in our title winning season? 14. And he was also in the middle of his barren run and hadn't scored since 19th November, and wouldn't again until 25th February. He ended up with 22 goals, which if he carried on the way he had in the second half of this season I think Grant would have beaten, despite Grant playing in a weaker team than the one BWP was in. £2m for Grant is well below the market value - forced by his contract situation - and will go towards Roland's losses, and we will do incredibly well to get a decent striker in in January who is at the standard of Grant. It's a huge loss
You see, I have a mental assessment of BWP as a scorer. He was just a confidence player which is different. When on form, he was a get two chances, score two goals sort of player which gave us an excellent springboard for most of our promotion season.
But that's the point isn't it; you've made this assessment but the stats don't back it up. BWP missed hatfuls, absolutely hatfuls of chances. He got a hell of a lot of chances and converted a decent amount of them. He certainly wasn't a scorer between November and February. Two chances two goals? He scored more than one goal in only four matches in our league winning season, and he was definitely on form for much of that. His hattrick against Chesterfield was his first career hattrick; because he would always miss more chances than he scored. Grant has scored two goals in a game twice this half of the season. BWP was a good player and a good goalscorer at this level. So is Grant. The idea that one is a killer goalscorer and the other misses his chances just doens't follow on. I feel bad for Grant, he couldn't really have done more this season
He lost form, but when he was on form he didn't miss chances. My point was that one is a natural goalscorer and one isn't. That isn't to ignore Grant's goals but I doubt he will get more than BWP over has career, or even close.
He absolutely did miss chances. He was super profligate, he just got a lot of chances that season. In the Championship when the chances were much harder to come by he got one goal in 19 games, got dropped and got shipped back down to L1 where you get more chances, and he got 5 in 15. This image you have of BWP isn't quite right. Grant is evidently a natural goalscorer; he's 21 years old, he's had two half seasons where he's been a first choice striker and he's scored 9 in 15 in L2 and 14 in 28 in L1. How else can you possibly be a natural goalscorer other than scoring goals?
Really don't agree that Grant going is good business.....how long have some people supported this club!? The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best. Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.
It’s going to depend on who comes in as a replacement before we can decide on whether or not it’s good business. At this point we simply don’t know. Whoever it is will be different to Grant. They will be judged on their goals and we can decide whether or not £1.5 million plus add ons was worth it for a player out of contract in a few months and wanting to leave. Not a dig at Karlan. I don’t blame him one jot for trying to better himself.
We will have to take into consideration that Karlan was our player and whoever comes in, the likelihood is that they will be someone else’s and we will need to return them. Grant will need replacing properly at some point.
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"bird in hand" not just a pub name
We run out of time but we were really close to signing a top player. Same as it ever was,same as it ever was
Anyone who thinks we won’t come out of this deal weaker, is kidding themselves.
We might as well give our players away.
Get the replacement in, then Hudds can complete their deal.
In the summer we effectively got Taylor in to replace Magennis
Bowyer will say it is what it is.
The guy is settled and scoring goals. The chances of getting in an as good or better replacement are risky at best.
Some people talking on here about being happy with the deal are probably the same people who said they were excited about Championship football when our Premier relegation was confirmed.
Some 'fans' might spend time moaning and wailing, I know that Bowyer and the players won't, they'll just keep looking to win games and get as many points as possible
We will have to take into consideration that Karlan was our player and whoever comes in, the likelihood is that they will be someone else’s and we will need to return them. Grant will need replacing properly at some point.
We all knew someone would go in January to screw us over and here it is.