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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:oohaahmortimer said:NapaAddick said:oohaahmortimer said:Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego
I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
so once again he’s the fluffer
yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .
I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table3 -
CheshireAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
It will be interesting to see how Fulham get on after relegation.1 -
CheshireAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
On how not to run a football club !1 -
soapboxsam said:CheshireAddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
On how not to run a football club !1 -
Macronate said:Raith_C_Chattonell said:I just don't know what to think. Sometimes I'm up, sometimes I'm down.
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roseandcrown said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
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RodneyCharltonTrotta said:AFKABartram said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs0 -
Wow,514 new posts!! I wonder if there's any fish puns?0
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Stig said:Macronate said:Raith_C_Chattonell said:I just don't know what to think. Sometimes I'm up, sometimes I'm down.11
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charente addick said:roseandcrown said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days0 - Sponsored links:
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soapboxsam said:I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY said:oohaahmortimer said:NapaAddick said:oohaahmortimer said:Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego
I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
so once again he’s the fluffer
yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .
I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table1 -
addick1965 said:Wow,514 new posts!! I wonder if there's any fish puns?1
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charente addick said:roseandcrown said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
Last season signed Marley Watkins from Norwich for £1m and Mo Eisa for £1.5m (peanuts at this level sadly)
Whats worked for them is their outgoings of late;
- Jonathan Kodjia was signed for £2m, sold for £11m rising to £15m
- Aden Flint was signed for £300k, sold for £7m
- Lloyd Kelly was an Academy lad who has just been sold for £13m
Take off the sale of Kelly (as only happened this summer) and your looking at a team who missed out on the Play-Offs by just four points
Huddersfield are another example of ensuring that the loan market gets used properly in the Championship
Nor do I think its either promotion or a relegation battle at this level; a good few sides like Nottingham Forest and Sheffield Wednesday werent really in either boat last season3 -
ForeverAddickted said:roseandcrown said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
If only it meant we could finish top two or end up winning the Play-Offs without being promoted I'd be quite happy4 -
Davo55 said:ForeverAddickted said:roseandcrown said:ForeverAddickted said:Dazzler21 said:And here lies our biggest problem.
Everyone that seems to want to buy us, probably won't have the funds to give us stability let alone challenging for play offs
Even if it means the likes of Lapslie and Morgan etc. get sold in the future I wont mind, provided that its for what they're worth and that money gets put back into the squad and invested properly
An approach pretty much like what Brentford and Bristol City are doing these days
If only it meant we could finish top two or end up winning the Play-Offs without being promoted I'd be quite happy0 -
Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.
i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.
At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club.
I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.
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AFKABartram said:Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.
i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.
At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club.
I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.
thoughts?
i.e. This year we've signed Bonne for £200k (?), we werent able to sign anyone for a fee last year
Instead it was all loans apart from Taylor and Pratley who joined on a free
Feels in a way as though he's just carrying on from that aspect yet was happy to pay money for Bonne as he's young and has potential to be sold on for a greater sum0 -
what is making us all think the takeover with dalman has fallen through?0
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superclive said:what is making us all think the takeover with dalman has fallen through?
If you take LDT’s comments then all three parties have been on the scene for a minimum 3 months, so we are not at the preliminary stages.
Ideally it would have happened by now and the fact it hasn’t indicates something clearly isn’t right. It has a max 3-4 weeks left to complete otherwise it will be a minimum 4-5 months, more likely 10 months before this even becomes a remote possibility again.5 -
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happyvalley said:1823, it is believed William Webb Ellis invented rugby when he picked up a ball and ran with it during a game of football.21
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Showmetheway2gohome said:
It can be done we have to always hope and believe that is why its so tough supporting.
Thats why i was so happy when Leicester won the premier league i really was happy for the fans of that club that went through shit.4 -
AFKABartram said:Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.
i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.
At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club.
I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.
thoughts?
The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league
players cost more , agents cost more ,etc
if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost
for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed
you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership
so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business
what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful
the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat
Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right
but more than anything
Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both
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nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.
i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.
At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club.
I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.
thoughts?
The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league
players cost more , agents cost more ,etc
if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost
for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed
you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership
so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business
what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful
the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat
Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right
but more than anything
Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both
The operating loss in 17/18 was £13.3m. Let’s say it was £10m last season. In the Championship he will get about £8m extra revenue without doing anything.
If he runs the same budget (or lower) the operating loss drops to £2m. That is unachievable in L1. It may also get the club relegated, but from his perspective he has saved £8m or whatever part of it he doesn’t spend and the value of the club has risen giving him a better opportunity to sell.
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AFKABartram said:Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.
i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.
At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club.
I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.
thoughts?
Not sure if anyone's ever bought a business, but in the description, the agent usually lists areas where business could be improved e.g., a website, longer opening hours etc. As far as I can see, the only way Charlton's immediate finances could be improved is to win back the goodwill of the fans and sell a shed load of season tickets and, long term, obviously a push for the Prem / a couple of decent cup runs 🤣. Plus I think the odd decent transfer in or out would help an all1 -
Airman Brown said:nth london addick said:AFKABartram said:Searching for positives but I do wonder if in the coming weeks if this latest round of takeover spec fades away whether the budget will then be scaled up.
i know Roland is an idiot, impossible to second guess and his approach to everything has been wrong, but he has never positioned a manager to set the squad up to fail and pretty much post-Powell backed his manager / recruitment team.
At the moment it is clearly woefully short and even he isn’t that stupid to know that an absolute disaster of a season will offer zero help in his attempts to offload the club.
I don’t agree but I understand where his rationale is coming from: the club is more attractive to purchase the lower it’s outgoings and contractual commitments. But he’ll also know that if it’s not sold in the next month he is stuck with it again for another year and a disaster of a year will not just undoubtedly bring him personal grief and dire publicity but also less chance of achieving near his valuation.
thoughts?
The more I think about it believe what was said by David white that RD never wanted auto go up, when you think of the expense needed to be competitive in the championship let alone to try and go up where atleast 10 other clubs will spend 70-100 mil to get out of the league
players cost more , agents cost more ,etc
if your selling the club club the last thing you want is more cost
for that reason I expect him to not invest or back bows anywhere near what is needed
you also have players and agents not willing to conclude deals because their fear will be they won’t get their money clubs also due to the uncertainty of ownership
so so many things are now out of the normal operating controls you would want to run club or business
what we need is clarity all this mess and uncertainty is not helpful
the Aussies have been around for ages and not completed this is a big problem for me and it makes me wonder just why and how they are going to proceed but I do believe they are now firmly in driving seat
Dalman is still around and his back ground in English football makes me prefer him but also I am beginning to think ffs just make the deal and move this cancer away from the club , get it right and the low zeros that are being discussed and debated will come back ten fold if you get it right
but more than anything
Murray and Two shit chalets can just do one I am sick of them both
The operating loss in 17/18 was £13.3m. Let’s say it was £10m last season. In the Championship he will get about £8m extra revenue without doing anything.
If he runs the same budget (or lower) the operating loss drops to £2m. That is unachievable in L1. It may also get the club relegated, but from his perspective he has saved £8m or whatever part of it he doesn’t spend and the value of the club has risen giving him a better opportunity to sell.
I do believe honestly that he will not be here start of season and I am 75% to 25% that it will be Aussies that win
the one thing he won’t do is fund anything before it’s concluded that is a huge concern so the buyers need to negotiate quick and conclude before their left with costs to replace that are not needed.
i don’t want to particularly see whoever comes in spend to success I would much rather it was organic growth using the academy and absolutely amazing work done by the team there and the odd quality signing to assist, And get back up in a way that will not bankrupt us and keep Bowyer and Jackson for the next ten yrs to build the club up
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Henry Irving said:Stu_of_Kunming said:oohaahmortimer said:NapaAddick said:oohaahmortimer said:Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego
I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
so once again he’s the fluffer
yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .
I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table
According to the unreliable interweb Tan is worth USD820 million
So maybe less than Andrew Muir who we "know" doesn't have the money.
RD has the money as well, so what ?1 -
i_b_b_o_r_g said:Henry Irving said:Stu_of_Kunming said:oohaahmortimer said:NapaAddick said:oohaahmortimer said:Do we know what sort of dough Dalman has ?
Is he a Gerard Murphy type who puts it all together or is he super duper rich enough to spunk dough on buying a football club for ego
I'm not sure I've heard anyone 100% certain Dalman has more money than sense or is he more Tony Jiminez than Sheikh Mansour
so once again he’s the fluffer
yes he he has contacts , so did Jiminez , so does Gerard Murphy and so did Peter Risdale .
I’m still not sure what Mehmet brings “cash” wise to the table
According to the unreliable interweb Tan is worth USD820 million
So maybe less than Andrew Muir who we "know" doesn't have the money.
But we know he doesn't want to spend enormous sums the same as RD doesn't, which is why they have been and still are looking for investors.1 -
superclive said:what is making us all think the takeover with dalman has fallen through?
If that's the case he wants to sack the guys who did hid due diligence because with a company of this size there should not be a paperclip not accounted for!3 -
soapboxsam said:addick1965 said:Wow,514 new posts!! I wonder if there's any fish puns?
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