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Summer 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed. Pg 296 - Start of Deadline Day)

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  • Addickhead86
    Addickhead86 Posts: 1,148
    Pelling1993 said:
    Summer 2019 Bickering Thread, where only the pettiest of arguments are settled...
    An argument got settled? Source pls
  • Kinsella87
    Kinsella87 Posts: 466
    I bumped into Bellerin in Haggerston and asked him if he knew of anyone from Arsenal coming to Charlton on loan, he said he can’t say but said that Charlton is always spoke about well at Arsenal and everyone who has been on loan at us always comes back better! 

    Not anything we didn’t already know but good to know we are held in high regard even by there first team players 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,680
    Woolwich rejects
    Alo  alo
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 10,622
    blackpool72 said:
    May I just remind everyone we are all on the same side. 

    Roland is the enemy 
    But doesn’t that mean the enemy of your enemy is your friend ???
  • CafcSCP
    CafcSCP Posts: 1,466
    Baldock is a loan deal apparently, so he won’t need a pay cut. That’s according to Cawley 
    Not sure why he didn’t play much last year, but if you base his goals by his starts it’s 1 in 3
    id have him as an option.
  • Sage
    Sage Posts: 7,278
    edited July 2019


    As rumours go we know we are interested in Baldock on loan, Bielik on loan, Cullen on loan. We know we are interested in bringing in Williams on a permanent deal. We also know Bowyer has said he wants a minimum of 6 players before the window shuts but hopes to get 7 more through the door.

    Bowyer and Gallen will get in players, whether that’s what we need or the amount that we need, we are yet to see. But I am confident in their abilities and we should credit them for their work and patience in what is extremely difficult times, in an extremely competitive league, where the gap is huge between the clubs relegated from the Premier League, and ones promoted or struggling down near the bottom. 
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited July 2019
    Bowyer may WANT 6 players... but that is not the same as GETTING 6 players. Was it just last year (with Bowyer/Gallen) in the season we did not even have enough players to hold practice? Lee may want 6, but in the end Rat, not Bowyer nor Steve, decides whether we actually GET them. And, of course, I don't trust Rat to ever do the right thing. I'll believe it when I see it and not one second before.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    It's not just whether we get another 6-7 but the quality of those we do get.

    Spanners out spending us on proven championship  players.
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,220
    Redhenry said:
    Anfernee wants to play for Charlton in the Champ next season, just hope he gets a decent pay rise, he's earning peanuts atm.
    Thanks @Henry Irving. @Braziliance, I pass on what I hear, for example we made a contract offer to Josh Morris, it was 1500 a week less than Fleetwood offered. I said Bowyer liked and wanted to sign him, I didn't say he was signing for us.
    @Redhenry do you think Fleetwood outbid us on wages for Morris because they wanted him in the first team? Would Bowyer have seen Morris as a first team player or a squad player? Just wondering if you feel the 1500 a week less would be because he wouldn't be a guaranteed first team player with us maybe? Or maybe he wanted to stay up north? I'd be surprised if we can't compete with Fleetwood for wages so interested if you have any further insight.
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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,569
    MartinCAFC said:
    Redhenry said:
    Anfernee wants to play for Charlton in the Champ next season, just hope he gets a decent pay rise, he's earning peanuts atm.
    Thanks @Henry Irving. @Braziliance, I pass on what I hear, for example we made a contract offer to Josh Morris, it was 1500 a week less than Fleetwood offered. I said Bowyer liked and wanted to sign him, I didn't say he was signing for us.
    @Redhenry do you think Fleetwood outbid us on wages for Morris because they wanted him in the first team? Would Bowyer have seen Morris as a first team player or a squad player? Just wondering if you feel the 1500 a week less would be because he wouldn't be a guaranteed first team player with us maybe? Or maybe he wanted to stay up north? I'd be surprised if we can't compete with Fleetwood for wages so interested if you have any further insight.
    I’m not surprised we can’t compete with Fleetwood on wages. We have already been told by Bowyer that we have the lowest budget in the Championship. 
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    Our wages this coming year are best estimated at £10-12M. Reading is a mid-wage club last year in the Championship and look at what they pay. Peanuts does not even begin to describe our situation.

  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    I don't know, obviously money was a factor. We approached him last season and were very keen, but then offered a miserly contract.
  • MartinCAFC
    MartinCAFC Posts: 3,220
    LargeAddick said:
    MartinCAFC said:
    Redhenry said:
    Anfernee wants to play for Charlton in the Champ next season, just hope he gets a decent pay rise, he's earning peanuts atm.
    Thanks @Henry Irving. @Braziliance, I pass on what I hear, for example we made a contract offer to Josh Morris, it was 1500 a week less than Fleetwood offered. I said Bowyer liked and wanted to sign him, I didn't say he was signing for us.
    @Redhenry do you think Fleetwood outbid us on wages for Morris because they wanted him in the first team? Would Bowyer have seen Morris as a first team player or a squad player? Just wondering if you feel the 1500 a week less would be because he wouldn't be a guaranteed first team player with us maybe? Or maybe he wanted to stay up north? I'd be surprised if we can't compete with Fleetwood for wages so interested if you have any further insight.
    I’m not surprised we can’t compete with Fleetwood on wages. We have already been told by Bowyer that we have the lowest budget in the Championship. 
    I get that we have the lowest budget in The Championship but we still had a good budget last year in League One, surely higher than Fleetwood's last year. I know some teams in League One like Sunderland and Portsmouth will probably have bigger budgets than us which I get but I just wouldn't have bracketed Fleetwood a non-league team not too long ago amongst the big hitters in League One hence the question.
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    Fleetwood spent a bit of cash this window, outside bet for promotion
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 11,987
    Redhenry said:
    Anfernee wants to play for Charlton in the Champ next season, just hope he gets a decent pay rise, he's earning peanuts atm.
    Thanks @Henry Irving. @Braziliance, I pass on what I hear, for example we made a contract offer to Josh Morris, it was 1500 a week less than Fleetwood offered. I said Bowyer liked and wanted to sign him, I didn't say he was signing for us.
    Rather than our low wage offer, do you think Morris was swayed to sign for Fleetwood because he’s from up that way and because he’s been on loan there before so knows the club @Redhenry? 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,323
    Redhenry said:
    Fleetwood spent a bit of cash this window, outside bet for promotion
    Have to wonder whats going on with the Joey Barton / Barnsley issue

    Seems to have gone very quiet in that regard what with Fleetwood and Joey concentrating on the season ahead now
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,359
    The CEO was the driver trying to get Barton away from the Police!
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,277
    I get someone like Morris may not be loaded but assuming we offered £2.5k pw and Fleetwood £4k it still says something about him that he chose wages over higher level football and a bigger club imo.
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I get someone like Morris may not be loaded but assuming we offered £2.5k pw and Fleetwood £4k it still says something about him that he chose wages over higher level football and a bigger club imo.
    Or maybe he chose to stay closer to home as he’s a family orientated person?
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  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited July 2019
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I get someone like Morris may not be loaded but assuming we offered £2.5k pw and Fleetwood £4k it still says something about him that he chose wages over higher level football and a bigger club imo.
    Would you work at a "bigger" company for £130,000/year when a smaller company is offering you £208,000/year and you know your career will be over in 4-7 years? I would not. That extra £78,000/year can make a huge day to day difference in lifestyle.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,855
    NapaAddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I get someone like Morris may not be loaded but assuming we offered £2.5k pw and Fleetwood £4k it still says something about him that he chose wages over higher level football and a bigger club imo.
    Would you work at a "bigger" company for £130,000/year when a smaller company is offering you £208,000/year and you know your career will be over in 4-7 years? I would not. That extra £78,000/year can make a huge day to day difference in lifestyle.
    Yes if it was in a part of the country I wanted to live in...
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,135
    JoshAddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I get someone like Morris may not be loaded but assuming we offered £2.5k pw and Fleetwood £4k it still says something about him that he chose wages over higher level football and a bigger club imo.
    Or maybe he chose to stay closer to home as he’s a family orientated person?
    To be fair, the bloke is also 28 in September, has spent his career in the lower leagues and, if the differential of £75,000 p.a. is accurate (or thereabouts), it’s hardly something he can turn his nose up, particularly given the cost of renting in the south east, not to mention any familial disruption.

    Accepting a sub-market wage also benchmarks a player going forward in terms of future contract offers, so it’s hardly a one-off hit.
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    edited July 2019
    No way Bielik is coming back. Way out of our league and he has told Arsenal to either play him or transfer him.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Transfers are always about more than money. Taylor signed for less money than Mackems offered because clauses in contract seemed out of order. I'd guess JW lost money signing for us than same team for comfort issues. Some players just want to play rather than gather splinters.  KAG I'd guess money was secondary to Prem games. He could earn more for Derby, Leeds, W Brom.
  • CafcSCP
    CafcSCP Posts: 1,466
    No way is Bielik coming back.
    if ac Milan are interested then there’s others bigger than us who will buy him.
    it could also be an agent ploy to make sure he’s in the Arsenal 1st team squad 
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,562
    CafcSCP said:
    No way is Bielik coming back.
    if ac Milan are interested then there’s others bigger than us who will buy him.
    it could also be an agent ploy to make sure he’s in the Arsenal 1st team squad 
    Well, that ain’t gonna happen, is it!?
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,068
    harveys_gardener said:0
    Transfers are always about more than money. Taylor signed for less money than Mackems offered because clauses in contract seemed out of order. I'd guess JW lost money signing for us than same team for comfort issues. Some players just want to play rather than gather splinters.  KAG I'd guess money was secondary to Prem games. He could earn more for Derby, Leeds, W Brom.
    Elliot, Hamer and Poyet did not move for money?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    A thing that often gets forgotten, if you own a house in say Yorkshire, that's worth £400k, the equivalent house with in a reasonable drive to our training ground is likely to set you back about £1 million.  Even if you rent yours out and rent your likely to be £1000s of pounds worse off a month.  It wouldn't supprise me if players signed for Northern clubs for less than we could offer.  Remember, on the whole, we aren't in for players that are set for life. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,022
    Athletico Charlton said:
    I get someone like Morris may not be loaded but assuming we offered £2.5k pw and Fleetwood £4k it still says something about him that he chose wages over higher level football and a bigger club imo.
    He's a northern lad, never played for a club in the south, has already been at Fleetwood on loan twice, is 28 soon and his career is likely to go down rather than up. 

    So even taking those non-monetary factors into account, it's probably enough to make him choose Fleetwood. But then to add in an extra 78k wages a year, it would make a huge difference to a lower league player.

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