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Summer 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed. Pg 296 - Start of Deadline Day)
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Can I just say, I’ve just landed and picked up my suitcase, passport control was as clear as the weather the next few days.
Just seen we have signed Oshilaja which is fantastic.
I’ve messaged my mate and asked whether they thought he was a midfielder or whether the one they were on about is someone else. Obviously the time means I won’t get a reply until at least later in the morning. I’m hoping it’s another player and we are very close to an actual midfielder.
Great signing either way and that’s definitely the defence sorted now.8 -
No one on here has the football experience that LB and SG possess - so trust them. If they think Albie needs to go out on loan to improve his defensive game then that’s fine by me. If they believe a Chelsea youngster has something that can improve the current squad - that’s fine by me as well. Let’s just trust in our manager who’s played at the highest level...
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Is Jamie Ward still playing, worth adding to the squad.1
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Really? Not sure I agree. It didn’t look like we were too keen to retain him last season.Rob7Lee said:Is Jamie Ward still playing, worth adding to the squad.8 -
(gone from Millers to WBA) .. agreed .. too expensive for us thoughRichard J said:Shame about Ajayi I would have liked him.
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................. but not worth adding a significant amount to the wage bill.Rob7Lee said:Is Jamie Ward still playing, worth adding to the squad.1 -
Last summer we had Simon Dawkins and Elliott Ward on trial. Some wanted them signed up as we needed numbers. Dawkins made 2 sub appearances for relegated Ipswich and Ward signed for Notts County in League 2.
Instead we brought in Cullen and Bielik. Cullen had some experience, Bielik on the other hand had only made 8 starts for Birmingham and none for Walsall due to injury.
One year on we’ve been promoted yet most think Bielik is now too good for us and we’re hoping we have a chance of Cullen coming back.
I’m not getting excited about a Chelsea youngster I hadn’t heard of until yesterday, but I also won’t write him off as no better than what we have. It’ll only happen if Bowyer and Gallen are confident that’s the case.
We’re looking for as many as 5 loans, bringing in Gallagher doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be an automatic first choice, neither does it stop us bringing in a few experienced midfielders to play alongside him.40 -
Saw him play a couple of times for Peterborough a few years back while being my disabled mates helper (it was free football). There’s no doubt he has a great touch and has great talent but he is a very small lad. I seem to remember he was getting bundled off of the ball a lot. Overall they were mixed performances, failed to win some basic one on ones but created some great attacking movements. My mate said he got injured and never cemented his place in the team, then new manager came in blah, blahForeverAddickted said:
Been highly rated at League One level for a while nowDamoNorthStand said:For all the excitement about Oztumer, for a guy who hardly played for Bolton last season, how many of us have actually seen enough of him to justify this excitement. At championship level I haven’t a clue if he will be any good or not
Deserved his step up to the Championship last season but shouldnt have been with Bolton
As it is he is still very unproven so could yet be a huge bust - Would like to think he's an upgrade in terms of Ben Reeves though so even if we are relegated we've got a couple of signings who could well stay and make us dangerous in League One, if that were the case (and we have new owners) then you'd hope that we could bounce back from Championship relegation this time better than our last two stints2 -
Bowyer said we needed more Pratley type experienced players in the squad.
More main concern is that with the exception of Williams and to a lesser extent Amos none of the newbies are proven in the Championship.1 -
I appreciate what you are saying up to a point. If Bowyer thinks the lad will give us something, then I think he probably will. We haven't signed him so it is all conjecture, but Bowyer knows what he is doing.Sid James Fan Club said:
Your missing my point on what the loan system is being exploited for.Garrymanilow said:Sid James Fan Club said:
Yes he is a very good player, and one who I think will be wanted by quite a few clubs, but this is where the loan market is a farce..... the manager is saying Albie Morgan has to go out on loan to learn and meanwhile Charlton are rumoured to take a player with even less experience just because he’s from Chelsea. They play very similar positions so why develop someone else’s player with zero benefit? #limit the loans!Garrymanilow said:Gallagher would be an excellent signing. He's come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, so hopefully this season will be the one where he show's he can hack it in men's football. He's not got much experience but if played alongside midfielders who can coach him through the game we might get a lot out of himBut it's not zero benefit is it? Albie has a lot to work on and Bowyer evidently feels the Championship isn't the place for him to do it. I would agree; last season Albie started games well and then faded completely out of them by half time. He would be better off getting a loan to L1 or L2 and playing every week as opposed to being dominated in the Championship. If you throw a player in at the wrong level too soon you can kill their confidence. Just look at how long it took Grant to start to look like the player he could be, and it look a L2 loan for him to build that confidence up. Conversely Gallagher is a big strong player who was academy player of the season for a Chelsea team who regularly sweep up in the youth league. These are two players at different stages of development and talent, and the benefit we would get would be having a quality player help us survive in a league that we are currently ill-equipped for.The loan market isn't a farce, it's literally our only hope of survival with our budget. Teams will lend us their high-potential players for free or a portion of their wages in the hopes that our excellent coaching set-up will benefit them. We're definitely not signing another five players permanently so clever use of the loan market is essential. If they limit the loans we're nutsacked.
Have you watched U23 games? They are nothing like first team games. Gallagher also a lot to work on, he has never played a first team game and your now saying is a player Charlton should bring in? Based on what? His first team experience? Have you seen Dempsey or Wiredu both of these players have played and beat him on regular occasions. Your blinded by the fact he plays for Chelsea. He can’t even get in the first team pre season squad. He is one of 40 plus players Chelsea want to farm out and sell to the highest bidder. Chelsea may well regularly seeep up youth leagues, that’s because they sweep up every player in sight for ££££.. Your absolutely right to say they are at different stages in their development only you have them round the wrong way, Albie Morgan has far more experience and it would not be a suprise to see him stay. I have no doubt Gallagher will be a very good player but so will Dempsey Morgan and Wiredu.It’s even more odd that your argument on loans is that you think bringing in another 19 year old with no first team experience will make Charlton better equipped.0 - Sponsored links:
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Joe Ledley? Not a rumour but think he'd be good for us or maybe his wages would be a bit out of our range.1
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We are shopping in the cheap as chips market2
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Just curious if anyone remembers when we had Scott Sinclair on loan - wasn't a great success. Gallagher may be a very good player but his lack of experience has to be a worry.
How many Chelsea players are out on loan?0 -
But Jay Dasilva was excellent and the likes of Mount, Abraham and others have done wellhoof_it_up_to_benty said:Just curious if anyone remembers when we had Scott Sinclair on loan - wasn't a great success. Gallagher may be a very good player but his lack of experience has to be a worry.
How many Chelsea players are out on loan?4 -
We are picking up players who have played well over the last couple of years but in League 1. The recruitment is similar to Powell’s in our title winning season but of course we are the League above. Plenty of those made the step up and we just need to hope it’s the same this time around. It’s a gamble but Bowyer has no choice.
My prediction is still that we will finish bottom 6 but won’t be easy to beat and hopefully can scrape through.0 -
All loans are hit and miss thoughwmcf123 said:
But Jay Dasilva was excellent and the likes of Mount, Abraham and others have done wellhoof_it_up_to_benty said:Just curious if anyone remembers when we had Scott Sinclair on loan - wasn't a great success. Gallagher may be a very good player but his lack of experience has to be a worry.
How many Chelsea players are out on loan?
For every Dasilva and Abraham there is a Kaikai and Sinclair
In a way its the loan market that can make a Football seaso interesting as get it right and you'll get the likes of Huddersfield and Shrewsbury fighting for positions they shouldnt be competing for1 -
Gallagher would hopefully be 1 of 5 loan signings, plus maybe another permanent signing. Not all will be first choice, but all will no doubt play a part as subs and when injuries and suspensions happen. The important thing is that they are all good enough.
That is a very tall order without any money. Gallagher as player of the year in a good Chelsea youth team really must be at the very top of what you can get for nothing.2 -
Is the weather where you are warmer than the predictions for the UK this week?...or could you have saved a fortune by just going to Bognor instead?Sage said:Can I just say, I’ve just landed and picked up my suitcase, passport control was as clear as the weather the next few days.
Just seen we have signed Oshilaja which is fantastic.
I’ve messaged my mate and asked whether they thought he was a midfielder or whether the one they were on about is someone else. Obviously the time means I won’t get a reply until at least later in the morning. I’m hoping it’s another player and we are very close to an actual midfielder.
Great signing either way and that’s definitely the defence sorted now.0 -
If Gallagher does come let's hope he does step up - he needs to get experience at a competitive level rather than academy games.ForeverAddickted said:
All loans are hit and miss thoughwmcf123 said:
But Jay Dasilva was excellent and the likes of Mount, Abraham and others have done wellhoof_it_up_to_benty said:Just curious if anyone remembers when we had Scott Sinclair on loan - wasn't a great success. Gallagher may be a very good player but his lack of experience has to be a worry.
How many Chelsea players are out on loan?
For every Dasilva and Abraham there is a Kaikai and Sinclair
In a way its the loan market that can make a Football seaso interesting as get it right and you'll get the likes of Huddersfield and Shrewsbury fighting for positions they shouldnt be competing for
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You would need to tick some serious boxes to get Chelsea academy POTY, lack of experience doesn’t bother me too much, if Gallen thinks he’s good enough that’ll do for me.10
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Yes he was out with a serious condition at start of seasonBR7_addick said:You would need to tick some serious boxes to get Chelsea academy POTY, lack of experience doesn’t bother me too much, if Gallen thinks he’s good enough that’ll do for me.0 -
Hopefully we'll get a chance to see.BR7_addick said:You would need to tick some serious boxes to get Chelsea academy POTY, lack of experience doesn’t bother me too much, if Gallen thinks he’s good enough that’ll do for me.0 -
Oztumer CAM PermGallagher CM loanWhelan CM/CDM (Somehow perm)Cullen Loan CM??? Loan CM??? Loan ST??? Loan ST*IF* the above happened I would be happy.Plus what we have added, I think we would be around the 14-19th mark which I would happily take4
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I can't help but feel a lot of if not all of our signings have been made with another campaign in league one in mind. Then when we got promoted we thought well we are not going to be able to any better with our budget now, so stuck with the original targets. I feel the loans may be a little less preconceived.0
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Best of both worlds in that case surely?CH4RLTON said:I can't help but feel a lot of if not all of our signings have been made with another campaign in league one in mind. Then when we got promoted we thought well we are not going to be able to any better with our budget now, so stuck with the original targets. I feel the loans may be a little less preconceived.
Either the players are good enough and we stay up, or we go down and already have one of the best squads in League One so can make an instant return to the Championship2 -
There are undoubtedly many things wrong with the structure of youth football and the stockpiling of so many players by certain clubs.
But Charlton have used other clubs to develop our players via the loan system. Philips at Cheltenham is a prime example, Grant at Crawley is another that benefitted us, and the player, greatly.
On the other hand the many loan keepers and strikers limited both players opportunities.
Bowyer has said he told Morgan at the start of pre-season that he'd be going out so this is not a reaction to Gallagher being available but a necessary part of Albie's growth. And whichever club he goes to he'll displace on of their own players.12 -
You won’t, because the players are going to be in the main loans... equally as before the best get cherry picked once they have had a taste of championship football...ForeverAddickted said:
Best of both worlds in that case surely?CH4RLTON said:I can't help but feel a lot of if not all of our signings have been made with another campaign in league one in mind. Then when we got promoted we thought well we are not going to be able to any better with our budget now, so stuck with the original targets. I feel the loans may be a little less preconceived.
Either the players are good enough and we stay up, or we go down and already have one of the best squads in League One so can make an instant return to the Championship0 -
Cant really compare the loan system used by Charlton or Chelsea though can you - We dont really stockpile talent and loan out loads of playersHenry Irving said:There are undoubtedly many things wrong with the structure of youth football and the stockpiling of so many players by certain clubs.
But Charlton have used other clubs to develop our players via the loan system. Philips at Cheltenham is a prime example, Grant at Crawley is another that benefitted us, and the player, greatly.
On the other hand the many loan keepers and strikers limited both players opportunities.
Bowyer has said he told Morgan at the start of pre-season that he'd be going out so this is not a reaction to Gallagher being available but a necessary part of Albie's growth. And whichever club he goes to he'll displace on of their own players.
We'll tend to send out about five or six over the course of the season which I think is a fair figure for clubs to do0 -
We're only allowed 5 loans in a match day squad, so no, the players will be 'in the main loans'Sid James Fan Club said:
You won’t, because the players are going to be in the main loans... equally as before the best get cherry picked once they have had a taste of championship football...ForeverAddickted said:
Best of both worlds in that case surely?CH4RLTON said:I can't help but feel a lot of if not all of our signings have been made with another campaign in league one in mind. Then when we got promoted we thought well we are not going to be able to any better with our budget now, so stuck with the original targets. I feel the loans may be a little less preconceived.
Either the players are good enough and we stay up, or we go down and already have one of the best squads in League One so can make an instant return to the Championship
I'm not quite sure what you want us to do, put out inferior sides just to play our own youth products?0 -
You have to play a long game with loans too. It is in our interest to get a high percentage of our loans right. Simply because if big clubs think their player is more likely to develop with you, they are more likely to loan him to you. Money is a lesser consideration for these clubs.
Bowyer is building a good reputation with his loan signings and I suspect it is because he does his homework beforehand. If we loan a player who doesn't play, it will do some reputational damage, and a few of those and bringing in the right players will be harder. As we are now, Bowyer has a great pitch he can make to big clubs who may be in a position to loan us a player he thinks will improve us.
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