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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Chizz said:
    Bye bye Roy. Pity. 
    The real pity is that Roy Burns and Denly occupy three of the top four batting places. 
    I know I'm stating the obvious but those three should be nowhere near our test side. 
    The fact that they are only emphasises our lack of batsman at the top of the order. 
    It's very easy to pick out players that shouldn't be picked.  But, unless you go into the game with only eight players, you have to replace them. 

    So, who would you choose as your two openers and top order batsman who are better, more reliable, more consistent and much more likely to score heavily than those three players, who currently have a 100% win record this Summer? 

    :wink:

    Chizz said:
    Bye bye Roy. Pity. 
    The real pity is that Roy Burns and Denly occupy three of the top four batting places. 
    I know I'm stating the obvious but those three should be nowhere near our test side. 
    The fact that they are only emphasises our lack of batsman at the top of the order. 
    It's very easy to pick out players that shouldn't be picked.  But, unless you go into the game with only eight players, you have to replace them. 

    So, who would you choose as your two openers and top order batsman who are better, more reliable, more consistent and much more likely to score heavily than those three players, who currently have a 100% win record this Summer? 

    ink: :There is no one better at the moment that is my point our top order is nowhere near as good as it should be. 
    As for the three of them having a 100%win record this summer. 
    A win against Ireland lol.
    As you say, there's no-one better.  And there can be no more solid reason for picking someone than that. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Agreed
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Having said that, I know two blokes who absolutely deserve to be dropped before the second Test.  The umpires. 
  • Chef_addick
    Chef_addick Posts: 2,196
    Nice to be in the 40's only 1 wicket down for a change! 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Mark Wood out for the summer after knee surgery
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Boycott is full of wisdom:
    England need a lead as we are batting 4th.


  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    Trivia. No googling. This is on the men’s loo wall at Edgbaston (so I was told) 

    Who was the first batsman to face a ball in one day cricket. 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,672
    Trivia. No googling. This is on the men’s loo wall at Edgbaston (so I was told) 

    Who was the first batsman to face a ball in one day cricket. 
    The opening batsman who takes 1  :p
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    So Root is bowled but not out!
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    That's why Root is called the glue.
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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Trivia. No googling. This is on the men’s loo wall at Edgbaston (so I was told) 

    Who was the first batsman to face a ball in one day cricket. 
    I saw it, because I was there yesterday.  I won't give it away, but it's fair to say he wouldn't be everyone's first choice as a pinch hitter. 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,672
    Trivia. No googling. This is on the men’s loo wall at Edgbaston (so I was told) 

    Who was the first batsman to face a ball in one day cricket. 
    The opening batsman who takes 1  :p
    Its not someone like Boycott is it?

  • Chizz said:
    Trivia. No googling. This is on the men’s loo wall at Edgbaston (so I was told) 

    Who was the first batsman to face a ball in one day cricket. 
    I saw it, because I was there yesterday.  I won't give it away, but it's fair to say he wouldn't be everyone's first choice as a pinch hitter. 
    Boycott?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    (Take this with a pinch of salt...) 

    Joe Root should have been given out... 

    He missed the ball, but was given out.  The Aussies appealed (and, when you appeal, the appeal covers all forms of dismissal).  The umpire gave it out.  Root reviewed.  

    So, the review process checked, in order, what had taken place.  It correctly showed the bowler hadn't overstepped.  So it went on to check if he edged it and confirmed he didn't.  They then checked whether it hit the pad (so could check the lbw) and confirmed it didn't.  But, as the appeal covers all dismissals, ball tracker should have been used to determine if he had been bowled.  The ball clipped the stumps, so would have shown up as "umpire's call" and the decision (out) should have stood.  
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,672
    Chizz said:
    (Take this with a pinch of salt...) 

    Joe Root should have been given out... 

    He missed the ball, but was given out.  The Aussies appealed (and, when you appeal, the appeal covers all forms of dismissal).  The umpire gave it out.  Root reviewed.  

    So, the review process checked, in order, what had taken place.  It correctly showed the bowler hadn't overstepped.  So it went on to check if he edged it and confirmed he didn't.  They then checked whether it hit the pad (so could check the lbw) and confirmed it didn't.  But, as the appeal covers all dismissals, ball tracker should have been used to determine if he had been bowled.  The ball clipped the stumps, so would have shown up as "umpire's call" and the decision (out) should have stood.  
    I'm going to take a handful of salt on this occasion Chizz!  :D
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    Trivia. No googling. This is on the men’s loo wall at Edgbaston (so I was told) 

    Who was the first batsman to face a ball in one day cricket. 
    Amiss? Warks player
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Chizz said:
    (Take this with a pinch of salt...) 

    Joe Root should have been given out... 

    He missed the ball, but was given out.  The Aussies appealed (and, when you appeal, the appeal covers all forms of dismissal).  The umpire gave it out.  Root reviewed.  

    So, the review process checked, in order, what had taken place.  It correctly showed the bowler hadn't overstepped.  So it went on to check if he edged it and confirmed he didn't.  They then checked whether it hit the pad (so could check the lbw) and confirmed it didn't.  But, as the appeal covers all dismissals, ball tracker should have been used to determine if he had been bowled.  The ball clipped the stumps, so would have shown up as "umpire's call" and the decision (out) should have stood.  
    I'm going to take a handful of salt on this occasion Chizz!  :D
    Being slightly more serious, it would be good to see ball tracker on that delivery, just to see how well it's calibrated, ie would ball tracker confirm the path of the ball hitting the stumps? 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,911
    Mark Wood out for the summer after knee surgery
    Gutting!
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Mark Wood out for the summer after knee surgery
    Gutting!
    Fuck! That's a careless surgeon.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,911
    Chizz said:
    Chizz said:
    (Take this with a pinch of salt...) 

    Joe Root should have been given out... 

    He missed the ball, but was given out.  The Aussies appealed (and, when you appeal, the appeal covers all forms of dismissal).  The umpire gave it out.  Root reviewed.  

    So, the review process checked, in order, what had taken place.  It correctly showed the bowler hadn't overstepped.  So it went on to check if he edged it and confirmed he didn't.  They then checked whether it hit the pad (so could check the lbw) and confirmed it didn't.  But, as the appeal covers all dismissals, ball tracker should have been used to determine if he had been bowled.  The ball clipped the stumps, so would have shown up as "umpire's call" and the decision (out) should have stood.  
    I'm going to take a handful of salt on this occasion Chizz!  :D
    Being slightly more serious, it would be good to see ball tracker on that delivery, just to see how well it's calibrated, ie would ball tracker confirm the path of the ball hitting the stumps? 
    Thats not where the problems with ball tracking come in. In that instance the ball tracking would be showing what actually happened. With this ball tracking is as near to 100% accurate as is possible.

    The reason we have umpires call and the margin for error in LBW decisions is because the ball hit the pad and so what followed didn't actually happen. They are trying to produce a forecast of where the ball would have gone had it not have been stopped by the pad. They think it is pretty accurate and i trust it fully having looked into the analysis they do on it. However you can never be fully sure where the ball would have gone and so it is right to allow a margin for error or effectively a sensitivity test. Umpires call is, in my analysts opinion, the best way of dealing with the uncertainty. 
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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited August 2019
    Superb session of test Cricket with
    just the one wicket to a Jaffa.
    Good bowling and Disciplined batting.
    Burns and Root : well played Rory and Joe.
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    Got distracted. Yes boycott. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Chizz said:
    (Take this with a pinch of salt...) 

    Joe Root should have been given out... 

    He missed the ball, but was given out.  The Aussies appealed (and, when you appeal, the appeal covers all forms of dismissal).  The umpire gave it out.  Root reviewed.  

    So, the review process checked, in order, what had taken place.  It correctly showed the bowler hadn't overstepped.  So it went on to check if he edged it and confirmed he didn't.  They then checked whether it hit the pad (so could check the lbw) and confirmed it didn't.  But, as the appeal covers all dismissals, ball tracker should have been used to determine if he had been bowled.  The ball clipped the stumps, so would have shown up as "umpire's call" and the decision (out) should have stood.  
    You are on form today mate.
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    I’ll do the trivia from the ladies loo to avoid spoilers shortly! 
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    Where when and who played in the first international cricket match 
  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    And who won 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    And who won 
    SURREY 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    Was called Rhodesia then wasn't it ;-) 
  • I’ll do the trivia from the ladies loo to avoid spoilers shortly! 

    Did you see anything else interesting in the men's loo
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 16,911
    Cafc43v3r said:
    And who won 
    SURREY 
    Was called Rhodesia then wasn't it ;-) 
    Very good!