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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc

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  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Bairstow just as clueless as the batsmen with the ball coming out the rough. Just missed a stumping 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,849
    edited August 2019
    How did the saffers get smith out in their series? 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    blackpool72 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    blackpool72 said:
    I can't be arsed to Google it but what is Foakes and Bairstow s batting average in 1st class cricket this season  ?
    Bairstow hasn't played a first class match, I think. 
    Are test matches not conciderd as 1st class matches. 
    Serious question. 
    Yes.  Test matches are included in First Class figures. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    blackpool72 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    blackpool72 said:
    I can't be arsed to Google it but what is Foakes and Bairstow s batting average in 1st class cricket this season  ?
    Bairstow hasn't played a first class match, I think. 
    Are test matches not conciderd as 1st class matches. 
    Serious question. 
    Technically yes they are.  In that case Bairstow averages 1.6 and Foakes 30.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    MrOneLung said:
    How did the saffers get smith out in their series? 
    He was bowled and lbw to Cummins and Siddle in the warm-up match.  Maybe they're the last two straight ones he'll miss this season. 
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,735
    Where is Woakes?!?!?!
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,671
    Cafc43v3r said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    blackpool72 said:
    I can't be arsed to Google it but what is Foakes and Bairstow s batting average in 1st class cricket this season  ?
    Bairstow hasn't played a first class match, I think. 
    Are test matches not conciderd as 1st class matches. 
    Serious question. 
    Technically yes they are.  In that case Bairstow averages 1.6 and Foakes 30.
    Thanks for that.
    So although not great
    Foakes  averages 30
    Bairstow 1.6
    Add to that Foakes is a better keeper than Bairstow and you can see why some people think Foakes should be in the test side.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    MrOneLung said:
    How did the saffers get smith out in their series? 
    Don't know but he averaged 23 with a HS of 50 odd.  Maybe someone could phone a friend. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    Graeme Swann is only 40 , get him back in .. he also averaged over 22 with the bat in tests 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    Head goes .. VERY tidy catch by the scapegoat Bairstow
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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,952
    MrOneLung said:
    How did the saffers get smith out in their series? 
    Reported his team for ball tampering?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,995
    soapboxsam said:
    Covered End said:
    I have to say watching Anderson bat, I'm not expecting him to bowl. 

    Where ever you read or heard Jimmy was bowling flat out was fake news because I heard on the radio someone say gingerly before he came into bat. This could yet be one of the worst calls when Anderson and the fitness coaches gave the green light.
    I'm convinced they score 150 in their 1st innings if a fit Anderson or 4th seamer was available when they were 8 down for 120 odd.
    NB it wasn't fake news because Sky showed him charging in full pace, which I saw.
    He broke down again subsequently.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited August 2019
    This is why Test cricket between England and Australia is the ultimate contest in England. Not in Australia because England normally roll over and throw the tail in after losing the first test.
    Like many wise Judges on CL I couldn't work out how we would get Smith out if he wasn't run out in this series.

    Root looked mentally exhausted after the WC and when Buttler said I don't care about anything else in my career now ! (2 weeks before an ashes series)
    Ali being honest (or stupid) saying my form with bat is poor.
    Just felt that England weren't prepared for a motivated Aussie ex captain Smith and team.
    I said when England was on top I fancied the Aussies to win because of our short comings when chasing a smallish total on a 5th day against the only decent spinner in this match plus their seamers who are as honest as a test match is long.

    Just like at Blackburn will be glad to be proven wrong as both Buttler and Bairstow can be match winners on a flat pitch where only a top off spinner may cause havoc.

    Ps I mean getting Smith out before he has a massive score.( Think both innings in this match)
     
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    MrOneLung said:
    How did the saffers get smith out in their series? 
    Durban, 56 caught (Maharaj), 38 lbw (Elgar) 
    Port Elizabeth, 25 lbw (Rabada), 11 caught behind (Maharaj) 
    Cape Town, 5 caught (Morkel), 7 caught behind (Morkel) 

    The obvious conclusion is that, if we want to put Smith under pressure, we need to pick a slow left arm bowler to back up seamers. 

  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    As the great Paul Simon would say if he followed cricket: This test is slip, slidin' away from England.

    I would rather he suggest 50 ways to get Smith out....
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    LenGlover said:
    As the great Paul Simon would say if he followed cricket: This test is slip, slidin' away from England.

    I would rather he suggest 50 ways to get Smith out....
    looks more and more like we'll be fortunate to get out of this with a draw .. really depends on how long we must bat on the last day
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    LenGlover said:
    As the great Paul Simon would say if he followed cricket: This test is slip, slidin' away from England.

    I would rather he suggest 50 ways to get Smith out....
    Smith's average against spinners turning it in (e.g. off-spinners) is around 97. Against spinners turning it away (e.g. slow left armers and legbreak bowlers) is around 36. 

    I think Leach will be in the squad for Lord's.  But I also expect a very green, seamer-friendly pitch. 
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Aussies session. Starting to slip out of England’s hands for the first time this test 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Big session coming up, especially for Moeen. Can he fight back?
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    Leuth said:
    Big session coming up, especially for Moeen. Can he fight back?
    we can't afford the rubbish bowling and the concession of 100 runs to find out ((:>)
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Chizz said:
    LenGlover said:
    As the great Paul Simon would say if he followed cricket: This test is slip, slidin' away from England.

    I would rather he suggest 50 ways to get Smith out....
    Smith's average against spinners turning it in (e.g. off-spinners) is around 97. Against spinners turning it away (e.g. slow left armers and legbreak bowlers) is around 36. 

    I think Leach will be in the squad for Lord's.  But I also expect a very green, seamer-friendly pitch. 
    Archer bowls very nice left arm spin. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Question to the crickets fans on CL.

    From what you have seen over this test and knowing India's inability to chase about 180 odd last year at Edgbaston in 4th innings.

    Can England score 180 to 280 to win or draw depending on time and weather.

    I await the predictions from the various experts on here !
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,438
    edited August 2019
    MrOneLung said:
    Chizz said:
    MrOneLung said:
    No. 
    Not even to the extent that, as a long-term team-mate of Bairstow, he knows everything about his game, as both batsman and wicket-keeper; and has formed a trusted relationship, with regards to DRS calls?  

    It's an interesting view that he shouldn't get his preference.  Maybe then, it should just be left to the selectors to continue picking him..?
    The clue is in the name - Selectors
    I thought the England Cricket Captain has a say in selection (so not comparable to say Harry Kane having a say about his team)
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    soapboxsam said:
    Question to the crickets fans on CL.

    From what you have seen over this test and knowing India's inability to chase about 180 odd last year at Edgbaston in 4th innings.

    Can England score 180 to 280 to win or draw depending on time and weather.

    I await the predictions from the various experts on here !
    My view is that with Nathan Lyon bowling on a pitch increasingly taking spin much over 200 will prove to be a step too far for a brittle batting line up.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,438
    Foakes, Wokes and Stokes not quite as good a Lillee, Willey and Kent favourite Dilley rip
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    PrincessFiona said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Chizz said:
    MrOneLung said:
    No. 
    Not even to the extent that, as a long-term team-mate of Bairstow, he knows everything about his game, as both batsman and wicket-keeper; and has formed a trusted relationship, with regards to DRS calls?  

    It's an interesting view that he shouldn't get his preference.  Maybe then, it should just be left to the selectors to continue picking him..?
    The clue is in the name - Selectors
    I thought the England Cricket Captain has a say in selection (so not comparable to say Harry Kane having a say about his team)
    Yes I think he has a seat at the table 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,671
    Anything over 220 and Australia win.
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,145
    We ain’t winning this one ... 
    weak 
  • Addickted2TheReds
    Addickted2TheReds Posts: 7,735
    Get a bit wound up by the anti-Denly journalism. 

    Stokes bowled a wide that didn't even hit the strip and it literally wasn't even mentioned on the live text. 

    Denly over pitches two balls and is labelled "Utter dross" and "dire". He was our most threatening bowler today.

    Stokes is a complete legend for this summer but IMO that is really shitty from the BBC. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    The BBC taking the most idiot-headed, reactionary line on affairs? Blow me down 

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