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Broadband and renationalising aside, the conservatives are increasing spending, aren't they signed up to decarbonising by 2030? And the green new deal is just buzzwords that will be a natural implication of decarbonising by 2030
So yes, I think people might support those policies, it's probably some of the others that might worry them.
Its like saying, Boris Johnson wants to spend more on the NHS, all the electorate agree with that, vote Conservative.
It oversimplifies a complicated argument.2 -
The two main parties don't want a change in the voting system as both benefit from it. It's deeply flawed.SporadicAddick said:
Perhaps a referendum to change it to something more representative, as that would surely be popular...hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Should a 44% share of the vote give a large majority of seats? A flawed electoral system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_United_Kingdom_Alternative_Vote_referendum0 -
Gareth Bacon, Conservative, former Sidcup (R) FC first teamer and staunch Man United supporter, comes off the bench to replace Jo Johnson and wins the the Tory stronghold seat of Orpington (with 30,882 supporters)0
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Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours6 -
Do we need to do another vote? As I can imagine the remainers are crying again.7
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Is that Seth on twitter?4
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“Let’s get breakfast done” lol7
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I'll get out of bed and follow that order.0
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I don't think any single one of the policies were 'radical', taken on their own, but bundled into a massive manifesto together, and sold to a country that has been told it has to be austere, it certainly came across that way.Callumcafc said:
Labour’s manifesto pledges were not radical. The majority of them would have brought us in line with other successful European countries.Dazzler21 said:
I just want parties with realistic policies and proper leaders for the next Election. The options were all so, so poor.Callumcafc said:Thankfully the result hasn't been as disastrous as first feared. The Tories will still have a decent majority but it's not so large that it'll be impossible to overturn in five years. I thought we were looking at 2029 before the opposition had a shot.Time to get a new face in and take the progressive campaign in a different direction. The road to 2024 starts here.
Labour may need til 2029 to wash away the stain of Corbyn and co.
I look forward to seeing how they transforms from here.
The “cult” of Corbyn and Brexit have contributed to the defeat sure but these policies are actually quite popular if you isolate them from the man.
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Classic bants! Should be a Daily Mail journalist.Dannoo_86 said:Do we need to do another vote? As I can imagine the remainers are crying again.7 - Sponsored links:
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That's where I live.Addick Addict said:Gareth Bacon, Conservative, former Sidcup (R) FC first teamer and staunch Man United supporter, comes off the bench to replace Jo Johnson and wins the the Tory stronghold seat of Orpington (with 30,882 supporters)
One of the strongest Tory seats in the country.
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Sad but true. A few people I know are Labour activists and during this election, and I saw undecided voters ask them very genuine questions on Facebook about policies and whatnot, and in return they got a lengthy, condescending lecture on how racist and bigoted it would be to vote for the Conservatives and how only stupid people would do that. Hardly going to pull people to your side.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours7 -
At least f*wits like Katie Hopkins are restricted to partisan media channels.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours
Mark Steel will get another BBC "comedy" commission.1 -
Fair point about bundling everything together - maybe picking and choosing a few as in 2017 may have been a better play.Chunes said:
I don't think any single one of the policies were 'radical', taken on their own, but bundled into a massive manifesto together, and sold to a country that has been told it has to be austere, it certainly came across that way.Callumcafc said:
Labour’s manifesto pledges were not radical. The majority of them would have brought us in line with other successful European countries.Dazzler21 said:
I just want parties with realistic policies and proper leaders for the next Election. The options were all so, so poor.Callumcafc said:Thankfully the result hasn't been as disastrous as first feared. The Tories will still have a decent majority but it's not so large that it'll be impossible to overturn in five years. I thought we were looking at 2029 before the opposition had a shot.Time to get a new face in and take the progressive campaign in a different direction. The road to 2024 starts here.
Labour may need til 2029 to wash away the stain of Corbyn and co.
I look forward to seeing how they transforms from here.
The “cult” of Corbyn and Brexit have contributed to the defeat sure but these policies are actually quite popular if you isolate them from the man.It’s a very very sorry situation regardless.I’m desperate for the U.K. to move towards aligning our politics with the likes of Germany and Scandinavia but we have a one way ticket to the politics of the US and frankly it’s depressing.7 -
I find it impossible to disagree with this. There were simply too many things in the Labour manifesto that simply would have forced much higher taxes not only to medium and high earners, but low earners too. We'd all have "free" this and that but all of us that work to earn our money would be footing the bill and have lower income as a result.Chunes said:
I don't think any single one of the policies were 'radical', taken on their own, but bundled into a massive manifesto together, and sold to a country that has been told it has to be austere, it certainly came across that way.Callumcafc said:
Labour’s manifesto pledges were not radical. The majority of them would have brought us in line with other successful European countries.Dazzler21 said:
I just want parties with realistic policies and proper leaders for the next Election. The options were all so, so poor.Callumcafc said:Thankfully the result hasn't been as disastrous as first feared. The Tories will still have a decent majority but it's not so large that it'll be impossible to overturn in five years. I thought we were looking at 2029 before the opposition had a shot.Time to get a new face in and take the progressive campaign in a different direction. The road to 2024 starts here.
Labour may need til 2029 to wash away the stain of Corbyn and co.
I look forward to seeing how they transforms from here.
The “cult” of Corbyn and Brexit have contributed to the defeat sure but these policies are actually quite popular if you isolate them from the man.1 -
Social media just seems to end up with people hurling insults at each other.Chunes said:
Sad but true. A few people I know are Labour activists and during this election, and I saw undecided voters ask them very genuine questions on Facebook about policies and whatnot, and in return they got a lengthy, condescending lecture on how racist and bigoted it would be to vote for the Conservatives and how only stupid people would do that. Hardly going to pull people to your side.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours5 -
I'm not a Tory supporter but he is a friend of mine (our respective 16 year olds have been at the same schools since they were 4) and really "gets" sport. In addition to playing rugby at a decent level and being a United supporter, he also plays squash and tennis on a regular basis and would make a decent Sports Minister in my opinion - and hopefully a proper influence for the retention and increase of sports facilities!blackpool72 said:
That's where I live.Addick Addict said:Gareth Bacon, Conservative, former Sidcup (R) FC first teamer and staunch Man United supporter, comes off the bench to replace Jo Johnson and wins the the Tory stronghold seat of Orpington (with 30,882 supporters)
One of the strongest Tory seats in the country.
I've lost count of how many protest votes I've done0 -
That would cost money.Addick Addict said:
I'm not a Tory supporter but he is a friend of mine (our respective 16 year olds have been at the same schools since they were 4) and really "gets" sport. In addition to playing rugby at a decent level and being a United supporter, he also plays squash and tennis on a regular basis and would make a decent Sports Minister in my opinion - and hopefully a proper influence for the retention and increase of sports facilities!blackpool72 said:
That's where I live.Addick Addict said:Gareth Bacon, Conservative, former Sidcup (R) FC first teamer and staunch Man United supporter, comes off the bench to replace Jo Johnson and wins the the Tory stronghold seat of Orpington (with 30,882 supporters)
One of the strongest Tory seats in the country.
I've lost count of how many protest votes I've done0 -
In that case I wish him all the bestAddick Addict said:
I'm not a Tory supporter but he is a friend of mine (our respective 16 year olds have been at the same schools since they were 4) and really "gets" sport. In addition to playing rugby at a decent level and being a United supporter, he also plays squash and tennis on a regular basis and would make a decent Sports Minister in my opinion - and hopefully a proper influence for the retention and increase of sports facilities!blackpool72 said:
That's where I live.Addick Addict said:Gareth Bacon, Conservative, former Sidcup (R) FC first teamer and staunch Man United supporter, comes off the bench to replace Jo Johnson and wins the the Tory stronghold seat of Orpington (with 30,882 supporters)
One of the strongest Tory seats in the country.
I've lost count of how many protest votes I've done1 -
Personally I'd be willing to sacrifice a small amount each year so that it benefits those more needy than myself but then perhaps that's the difference between myself and the majority in the country we now live in. We live in a selfish time where people only look out for themselves.Dazzler21 said:
I find it impossible to disagree with this. There were simply too many things in the Labour manifesto that simply would have forced much higher taxes not only to medium and high earners, but low earners too. We'd all have "free" this and that but all of us that work to earn our money would be footing the bill and have lower income as a result.Chunes said:
I don't think any single one of the policies were 'radical', taken on their own, but bundled into a massive manifesto together, and sold to a country that has been told it has to be austere, it certainly came across that way.Callumcafc said:
Labour’s manifesto pledges were not radical. The majority of them would have brought us in line with other successful European countries.Dazzler21 said:
I just want parties with realistic policies and proper leaders for the next Election. The options were all so, so poor.Callumcafc said:Thankfully the result hasn't been as disastrous as first feared. The Tories will still have a decent majority but it's not so large that it'll be impossible to overturn in five years. I thought we were looking at 2029 before the opposition had a shot.Time to get a new face in and take the progressive campaign in a different direction. The road to 2024 starts here.
Labour may need til 2029 to wash away the stain of Corbyn and co.
I look forward to seeing how they transforms from here.
The “cult” of Corbyn and Brexit have contributed to the defeat sure but these policies are actually quite popular if you isolate them from the man.
One thing that has intrigued me is that during the whole Brexit issue and what the deal looks like is leavers constantly pointed to Scandinavia and how they do well outside. But what about the high taxation there? That is conveniently ignored during this election when it came to Labour's proposals.1 - Sponsored links:
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What a pathetic little man.AFKABartram said:Key example of my bug bear of over exaggeration and social media dominance in escalating a divisive society.
There will always be wallies with exaggerated views. That’s not a real problem, but social media gives them a platform and an encouragement to keep going more extreme. That nasty Katie Hopkins is one before some start scrambling to unwind bias.
The sad point in this is not that there’s an individual with this exaggerated view, it’s tge sheer volume of people that like, support, encourage it in just a few hours9 -
In 5 years time there will be people looking for ways to overturn Brexit only to lose another election.
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We already sacrifice for those more needy via tax / benefitscolthe3rd said:
Personally I'd be willing to sacrifice a small amount each year so that it benefits those more needy than myself but then perhaps that's the difference between myself and the majority in the country we now live in. We live in a selfish time where people only look out for themselves.Dazzler21 said:
I find it impossible to disagree with this. There were simply too many things in the Labour manifesto that simply would have forced much higher taxes not only to medium and high earners, but low earners too. We'd all have "free" this and that but all of us that work to earn our money would be footing the bill and have lower income as a result.Chunes said:
I don't think any single one of the policies were 'radical', taken on their own, but bundled into a massive manifesto together, and sold to a country that has been told it has to be austere, it certainly came across that way.Callumcafc said:
Labour’s manifesto pledges were not radical. The majority of them would have brought us in line with other successful European countries.Dazzler21 said:
I just want parties with realistic policies and proper leaders for the next Election. The options were all so, so poor.Callumcafc said:Thankfully the result hasn't been as disastrous as first feared. The Tories will still have a decent majority but it's not so large that it'll be impossible to overturn in five years. I thought we were looking at 2029 before the opposition had a shot.Time to get a new face in and take the progressive campaign in a different direction. The road to 2024 starts here.
Labour may need til 2029 to wash away the stain of Corbyn and co.
I look forward to seeing how they transforms from here.
The “cult” of Corbyn and Brexit have contributed to the defeat sure but these policies are actually quite popular if you isolate them from the man.
One thing that has intrigued me is that during the whole Brexit issue and what the deal looks like is leavers constantly pointed to Scandinavia and how they do well outside. But what about the high taxation there? That is conveniently ignored during this election when it came to Labour's proposals.1 -
Sky news really need to stop using the term Stonking
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Labour supporters who have been vocal all over Facebook , this morning:
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One example that absolutely mystified me. Yes, many countries do nationalise key industries but is it truly truly a priority in the scheme of things in the UK right now? A government always has the option to tighten regulation around those they regard as key strategic industries. And Royal Mail also? Why in God’s name would we want to re-nationalise Royal Mail?Chunes said:
I don't think any single one of the policies were 'radical', taken on their own, but bundled into a massive manifesto together, and sold to a country that has been told it has to be austere, it certainly came across that way.Callumcafc said:
Labour’s manifesto pledges were not radical. The majority of them would have brought us in line with other successful European countries.Dazzler21 said:
I just want parties with realistic policies and proper leaders for the next Election. The options were all so, so poor.Callumcafc said:Thankfully the result hasn't been as disastrous as first feared. The Tories will still have a decent majority but it's not so large that it'll be impossible to overturn in five years. I thought we were looking at 2029 before the opposition had a shot.Time to get a new face in and take the progressive campaign in a different direction. The road to 2024 starts here.
Labour may need til 2029 to wash away the stain of Corbyn and co.
I look forward to seeing how they transforms from here.
The “cult” of Corbyn and Brexit have contributed to the defeat sure but these policies are actually quite popular if you isolate them from the man.Also, some of the policies around intervention on business, plus 4 day weeks were damaging rather than radical. Whilst it was reported that certain of the utility companies were putting in place plans to change their corporate structure in order to protect themselves from some of the aspects of nationalisation, what you won’t hear of now is what I know certain non-utility FTSE 100 companies were planning to do had Labour won. Some of the proposed tax revenues Labour were banking on in their manifesto were heading out of this country quicker than you could say “ For the many, not the few”.
In my opinion, whilst we have dodged a bullet, the Tories need to deliver now and they really do need to address the ever widening disparity in incomes that is becoming more and more divisive in this country.1 -
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FTSE 250 just risen by 4%. Let's hope that this is an indication that investment will flow once more now that Parliament has been unblocked.4
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Thank you Britain, you didn't elect an anti-semite prime minister.
The PM you did elect isn't much better so no thanks for that but what real alternative was there?
Maybe we can have a real centre left opposition again, one that actually places winning UK elections above Marxist dogma and a world view that tolerates any form of hate as long as it's anti- Western imperialist.
Corbyn was and always has been a leaver but wouldn't say it. That "long game" he was playing according to his cult, how has that gone?
Depressing.
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