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  • Addictedoldgit
    Addictedoldgit Posts: 1,825
    Stoke just lost 5 - 0 to Leeds. Their GD will change from -7 to -12.
    Hey presto we jump over Stoke cos our GD is -10!
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,916
    Addictedoldgit said:
    Stoke just lost 5 - 0 to Leeds. Their GD will change from -7 to -12.
    Hey presto we jump over Stoke cos our GD is -10!
    That table I posted before you commented is how it looks now 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,625
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Obviously they're appealing, as they have nothing to lose by doing so.

    Pretty sure Sheffield Wednesday will also appeal if they're given a deduction too, anything to try and string it out.

    Worst case scenario they lose the appeal and get -12 anyway.
    Best case scenario, they win the appeal.
    Next best scenario, they drag it out so long they just start next season with -12 but stay in the championship for one more season.
    It should be in the rules that if you appeal you get another 12 deduction the following season. The rules are pretty clear......go into administration & you get deducted 12 points. No ifs or buts.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,625
    shine166 said:

    Very tight at the bottom. Just 4 points separate 6 teams from Hull upwards......and if Sheff W do get a points deduction of 9 points or more then they (as well as Wigan) are also in there. 
  • peterreeves
    peterreeves Posts: 1,062
    Just can't see the efl making a decision on Sheffield.... Think they will delay it until after the season. Not right but its what they do. 

    As for Wigan.... they will not get away with it because the efl will be sued by every club that's been given a deduction... 
  • johnnyhumphrey
    johnnyhumphrey Posts: 449
    Just have a horrible feeling that Wigan will be shown leniency as the HK investors,who bailed out,did so due to the worldwide exceptional circumstances and financial impact from the virus. Just niggles away at me but hopefully I'm wrong.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    johnnyhumphrey said:
    Just have a horrible feeling that Wigan will be shown leniency as the HK investors,who bailed out,did so due to the worldwide exceptional circumstances and financial impact from the virus. Just niggles away at me but hopefully I'm wrong.
    It is not due to the virus. The virus had nothing to do with it. The virus is not a consideration.
    The club was bought during the virus. Football had re-started.
  • Valleysarr
    Valleysarr Posts: 1,097
    great result here and a free place move. If we keep it tight that’s worth a point on Stoke 
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,782
    johnnyhumphrey said:
    Just have a horrible feeling that Wigan will be shown leniency as the HK investors,who bailed out,did so due to the worldwide exceptional circumstances and financial impact from the virus. Just niggles away at me but hopefully I'm wrong.
    I can’t see them not docking points, but the thing is, hopefully we’ll get to the point where we don’t want Wigan to have points docked this season. 
    If we finish above three other teams and Wigan finish 12 points clear of relegation, then they should be docked 12 points next year which would give us a better chance of yet another year in the Championship. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,625
    lordromford said:
    johnnyhumphrey said:
    Just have a horrible feeling that Wigan will be shown leniency as the HK investors,who bailed out,did so due to the worldwide exceptional circumstances and financial impact from the virus. Just niggles away at me but hopefully I'm wrong.
    I can’t see them not docking points, but the thing is, hopefully we’ll get to the point where we don’t want Wigan to have points docked this season. 
    If we finish above three other teams and Wigan finish 12 points clear of relegation, then they should be docked 12 points next year which would give us a better chance of yet another year in the Championship. 
    Sadly that's not how it works though. 

    I'm 99% certain that their point deduction will stand. The 1% is because we are dealing with the EFL and as we know they are a law unto themselves.
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  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    Wigan will definitely be docked 12 this season. The only way it could be next season is if they would have been relegated without a deduction. They already have 53 so that is not going to happen.
  • Addictedoldgit
    Addictedoldgit Posts: 1,825
    I believe even with a 12 point deduction Wigan will survive.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,625
    Addictedoldgit said:
    I believe even with a 12 point deduction Wigan will survive.
    It wouldnt surprise me but if they do it probably means then beating us .....which would lead to us going down instead.
  • shine166
    shine166 Posts: 13,916
    golfaddick said:
    Addictedoldgit said:
    I believe even with a 12 point deduction Wigan will survive.
    It wouldnt surprise me but if they do it probably means then beating us .....which would lead to us going down instead.
    Not at all, 4 teams below us.. match there results and we are fine. 
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    shine166 said:
    golfaddick said:
    Addictedoldgit said:
    I believe even with a 12 point deduction Wigan will survive.
    It wouldnt surprise me but if they do it probably means then beating us .....which would lead to us going down instead.
    Not at all, 4 teams below us.. match there results and we are fine. 
    Including Weds..5 teams  :)
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    I know we're not brilliant, but we would not lose 5-0 to Leeds.
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,782
    golfaddick said:
    lordromford said:
    johnnyhumphrey said:
    Just have a horrible feeling that Wigan will be shown leniency as the HK investors,who bailed out,did so due to the worldwide exceptional circumstances and financial impact from the virus. Just niggles away at me but hopefully I'm wrong.
    I can’t see them not docking points, but the thing is, hopefully we’ll get to the point where we don’t want Wigan to have points docked this season. 
    If we finish above three other teams and Wigan finish 12 points clear of relegation, then they should be docked 12 points next year which would give us a better chance of yet another year in the Championship. 
    Sadly that's not how it works though. 

    I'm 99% certain that their point deduction will stand. The 1% is because we are dealing with the EFL and as we know they are a law unto themselves.
    I think you’re right actually golfie - I think I was thinking of the situation where if Wigan were to be relegated even without the deduction, then their points deduction would be carried over. 
    It does seem to me though, that points deductions issued mid season ought to be carried over In any situation where those deductions are of little consequence. For example, Birmingham’s 9 points deduction from last year should be applied to this year, which would put them in deep shit. And deservedly so.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763

  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited July 2020
    Wigan:
    Barnsley (A)
    Hull (H)
    Charlton (A)
    Fulham (H)

    Barnsley:
    Wigan (H)
    Leeds (A)
    Forest (H)
    Brentford (A)

    Luton:
    QPR (H)
    Hull (A)
    Blackburn (H)

    Hull:
    Millwall (H)
    Wigan (A)
    Luton (H)
    Cardiff (A)

    Stoke:
    Birmingham (H)
    Bristol C (A)
    Brentford (H)
    Forest (A)

    Charlton:
    Reading (H)
    Birmingham (A)
    Wigan (H)
    Leeds (A)

    Huddersfield:
    Sheff Wed (A)
    West Brom (H)
    Millwall (A)

    Middlesbrough:
    Bristol C (H)
    Reading (A)
    Cardiff (H)
    Sheff Wed (A)

    Birmingham:
    Stoke (A)
    Charlton (H)
    Preston (A)
    Derby (H)
  • thai malaysia addick
    thai malaysia addick Posts: 18,333
    Callumcafc said:
    Wigan:
    Barnsley (A)
    Hull (H)
    Charlton (A)
    Fulham (H)

    Barnsley:
    Wigan (H)
    Leeds (A)
    Forest (H)
    Brentford (A)

    Luton:
    QPR (H)
    Hull (A)
    Blackburn (H)

    Hull:
    Millwall (H)
    Wigan (A)
    Luton (H)
    Cardiff (A)

    Stoke:
    Birmingham (H)
    Bristol C (A)
    Brentford (H)
    Forest (A)

    Charlton:
    Reading (H)
    Birmingham (A)
    Wigan (H)
    Leeds (A)

    Huddersfield:
    Sheff Wed (A)
    West Brom (H)
    Millwall (A)

    Middlesbrough:
    Bristol C (H)
    Reading (A)
    Cardiff (H)
    Sheff Wed (A)

    Birmingham:
    Stoke (A)
    Charlton (H)
    Preston (A)
    Derby (H)
    No point making any predictions. I’d be surprised if anyone got half of the results correct amongst the relegation contenders since the restart.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    Yeah but if you’re bored... feel free to have a go. :-)

    https://thefishy.co.uk/calculator0.php?Competition=2
  • Stewart
    Stewart Posts: 2,451
    I’ve got a horrible feeling I’m not going to enjoy the next 10 days. 
  • mattinfinland
    mattinfinland Posts: 1,096
    Huddersfield could be in trouble with those fixtures 
  • Webbja77
    Webbja77 Posts: 1,104
    Huddersfield won’t be picking up any more points and Barnsley will get 3 max
  • Addictedoldgit
    Addictedoldgit Posts: 1,825
    mattinfinland said:
    Huddersfield could be in trouble with those fixtures 
    And they played rubbish today against Luton.
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    I think it could all get very tight with 7 or 8 teams within 3 or 4 points of each other. 
  • German
    German Posts: 95
    I have Barnsley, Hull & Stoke @ 12/1 for relegation. . . Beginning to smoke 😉😉 . . . 

  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Webbja77 said:
    Huddersfield won’t be picking up any more points and Barnsley will get 3 max
    If Brentford and Forest have secured a play off spot they could field weakened teams against Barnsley saving players for the 2 legs 
  • Danepak
    Danepak Posts: 1,628
    Webbja77 said:
    Huddersfield won’t be picking up any more points and Barnsley will get 3 max
    Oh yes, they'll get 3 points at the toolbox on the final day of the season.
  • Oggy Red
    Oggy Red Posts: 44,954
    Danepak said:
    Webbja77 said:
    Huddersfield won’t be picking up any more points and Barnsley will get 3 max
    Oh yes, they'll get 3 points at the toolbox on the final day of the season.
    That's what worries me too. In their heads, the Millwall players will be on the beach.

    And if it stiffs us over, Scum will think it's a good day's work.


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