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ESI 1 v ESI 2 - Initial Hearing 01-02/09/2020, Court of Appeal 17/09/2020 (p127)

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,195
    Chaisty saying Panorama is a shell company and will have no interest in the case. But he's still asking for a speedy trial in case their pessimism is misplaced or some form of relief from the court of appeal which still makes a trial effective.
  • JoshrewCAFC
    JoshrewCAFC Posts: 919
    edited September 2020
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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,444
    Does this mean they club can't be sold until an appeal is heard?
  • dickad1
    dickad1 Posts: 267
    This is looking a bit more interesting than I had thought.

    Attacking fans for abuse (with some justification), attacking LK, wants an appeal and fast trial. Suddenly the prospect of a sale is imminent according to Chaisty following media reports. Yesterday he said that was all just gossip. 
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,587
    Someone just seemed to unmute their mic and let out a cackle while Chaisty was talking. 
  • Gary Poole
    Gary Poole Posts: 1,874
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Chaisty said in light of press releases last night there is no likelihood of a sale not taking place before November. He says the trial in November will be a "non-event" - the shares will be sold and Panorama will have "disappeared into the ether'.
    Twat made the opposite argument yesterday, saying there would be no problem in granting the injunction as the trial would happen before any likely sale
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Leeds_Addick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Chaisty said in light of press releases last night there is no likelihood of a sale not taking place before November. He says the trial in November will be a "non-event" - the shares will be sold and Panorama will have "disappeared into the ether'.
    Surely this is him bringing his own evidence? 

    I thought LK was stopped from doing this yesterday?
    I suspect it's come into the public demain over night.  So is relevant to an appeal? 
  • Atletico Addick
    Atletico Addick Posts: 5,843
    edited September 2020
    For a solicitor, Chaisty states an awful lot of conjuncture trying to dress it as factual. Easy to take sides in this case but I think he certainly needs a lot more substance if he were to impress me. Obvious mind games at the start in trying to scare Kreamer a little.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,195
    Chunes said:
    Does this mean they club can't be sold until an appeal is heard?
    Nope sounds like the Judge is saying that a appeal wont be allowed as looks likely the club will be sold before November
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,519
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Chaisty said in light of press releases last night there is no likelihood of a sale not taking place before November. He says the trial in November will be a "non-event" - the shares will be sold and Panorama will have "disappeared into the ether'.

    Nice to see the judge using last nights news to effectively back up his decision not to award the injunction
     Do deals with snakes, prepare to get bitten.

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  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,336
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Well thats no surprise, Elliott said they'd be appealing the hell out of any decision that wasnt in their favour
    Hopefully heard in November, he seemed happy with that yesterday.

    Was he not busy for several weeks!
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,718
    dickad1 said:
    This is looking a bit more interesting than I had thought.

    Attacking fans for abuse (with some justification), attacking LK, wants an appeal and fast trial. Suddenly the prospect of a sale is imminent according to Chaisty following media reports. Yesterday he said that was all just gossip. 
    1. I don't understand how he's able to bring new evidence into this.

    2. This was the reason the injunction was refused
  • Lordflashheart
    Lordflashheart Posts: 5,627
    There is no issue in being a fan of a football club and also representing it - she stepped down from CAST to sever any link whilst she acted on the case - end of
  • Horsfield9
    Horsfield9 Posts: 3,083
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Chunes said:
    Does this mean they club can't be sold until an appeal is heard?
    Nope sounds like the Judge is saying that a appeal wont be allowed as looks likely the club will be sold before November
    They don't like it up um !
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,718
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leeds_Addick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Chaisty said in light of press releases last night there is no likelihood of a sale not taking place before November. He says the trial in November will be a "non-event" - the shares will be sold and Panorama will have "disappeared into the ether'.
    Surely this is him bringing his own evidence? 

    I thought LK was stopped from doing this yesterday?
    I suspect it's come into the public demain over night.  So is relevant to an appeal? 
    LK was bringing stuff up that was in the public doman yesterday and Chaisty made a fuss about it and she had to stop
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,195
    Chaisty saying the trial will take 4-5 days. - Judge Pearce now bringing up the subject of transferring the case to London.

    Kreamer wants "speedy resolution" but takes exception to Chaisty saying about Panorama disappearing. Doesn't want that factored into judge's thinking.
  • ButtleJR
    ButtleJR Posts: 1,587
    F**k knows what they're on about now tbh
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    edited June 2024
    PragueAddick said:
    Just re-posting from the other thread. @Rob7Lee has said that "John Burke" was added, early on to the list of attendees, presumably by Elliott's crew. Did anyone else notice this? If so, did they see the person on screen? We are very anxious to ID him.
    Didn't see his face but if Tom from Eltham is reading I'd happily go to Court to say it was him who turned on his mic and shouted "That's because you're a c*** Farnell".
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    The judge isn't an idiot. The imminent sale isn't going to effect things, purely on the basis it was the main reason the injunction wasn't granted yesterday. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,195
    ButtleJR said:
    F**k knows what they're on about now tbh
    Is this basically what we wanted? - the trial becomes between Lex and Panorama

    In the meantime Charlton can be sold as there is no injunction

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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,444
    There are probably different rules of evidence between yesterday and today tbf
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,978
    Lordflashheart said:
    There is no issue in being a fan of a football club and also representing it - she stepped down from CAST to sever any link whilst she acted on the case - end of
    No different to representing yourself IMHO
  • Leeds_Addick
    Leeds_Addick Posts: 4,718
    Chunes said:
    There are probably different rules of evidence between yesterday and today tbf
    You're probably right. Just seems odd. Hopefully this new evidence actually goes in our favour.
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,351
    What about the damages
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Leeds_Addick said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Leeds_Addick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Chaisty said in light of press releases last night there is no likelihood of a sale not taking place before November. He says the trial in November will be a "non-event" - the shares will be sold and Panorama will have "disappeared into the ether'.
    Surely this is him bringing his own evidence? 

    I thought LK was stopped from doing this yesterday?
    I suspect it's come into the public demain over night.  So is relevant to an appeal? 
    LK was bringing stuff up that was in the public doman yesterday and Chaisty made a fuss about it and she had to stop
    You would argue that that could have been submitted as part of the evidence, but as it wasn't tough. 

    You can't include something that had not happened yet as evidence.  But it could influence an appeal. 
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    So yesterday Chaisty wants an injunction cause there's no evidence of an imminent sale, judge says no because it might put off any potential sale, now Chaisty says there is evidence of imminent sale so we want the appeal, this law stuff is bonkers
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,195
    edited September 2020
    Kreamer wants trial transferred to London. Says suggestion it doesn’t matter as hearing is remote not an adequate reason for case to commence in Manchester. Respondent in London so proceedings should have been issued there. Should be transferred.

    Kreamer applying for transfer of the case to the High Court in London.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,104
    edited September 2020
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ButtleJR said:
    F**k knows what they're on about now tbh
    Is this basically what we wanted? - the trial becomes between Lex and Panorama

    In the meantime Charlton can be sold as there is no injunction
    I couldn't care less what happens between Lex and Panorama provided we've already been sold, both sides are dodgy!
  • Horsfield9
    Horsfield9 Posts: 3,083
    ct_addick said:
    What about the damages
    Quick, keep him talking and we'll do his motor .

    joke
  • MattF
    MattF Posts: 3,797
    edited September 2020
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Kreamer wants trial transferred to London. Says suggestion it doesn’t matter as hearing is remote not an adequate reason for case to commence in Manchester. Respondent in London so proceedings should have been issued there. Should be transferred.

    Kreamer applying for transfer of the case to the High Court in London.
    Is this our go at stringing this out
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