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Alfie Doughty thread
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Matthews signing has nothing to do with Doughty being injured, it would have gone through either way.Weegie Addick said:Dazzler21 said:I'm confused why people think us signing Matthews relates to us signing Doughty?
Doughty (although left-footed) has been playing forward on the right. Some have suggested Matthews could play RWB with Gunter as right centre back in a three. We actually are quite well-served by left-footed players in the squad but fewer capable of putting a good ball in from the right.
As Bowyer said he wants two per position, they left room within the salary cap to add a second RB to the squad.
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The injuries are already starting to pile up! Get well soon Alfie.0
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Let's hope it's not a Mickey Bennett type injury.SouthNorwoodAddick said:Looks like he's out for a while according to his Instagram
He had pace to burn as a youngster but lost that edge after a serious injury.
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Biggest fear is the injury knocks his pace down, which would be absolutely gutting for him and us as it’s the real star quality he brings to the team...
Get well (fully) soon!0 -
Because 1 of the said players that KM signed on a long term deal told me how much he was getting. Let's put it this way, it was well above this seasons salary cap.Scoham said:
How do you know that? And what would you call not low?cafc999 said:
The wages were not low...Scoham said:
RD and KM gave out some long term contracts to young players, remember Kennedy getting 2.5 year deal...Cafc43v3r said:Alfie Doughty is a good example of how hard it is to get the right teenage players on good, long term contracts.
On his 20th birthday he had just been recalled from Bromley during our biggest injury crisis since the last one.
He had done nothing as a teenager to suggest he was a "special talent" 1 month later Fulham and others were sniffing around.
What do you do, give a contract to someone your not sure can make if?
Like Grant the opportunity to give the right contract, that both parties would have been happy with was very small.
It's not like Aribo, where it was 18 months long.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/70207/kennedy-and-staunton-pen-new-deals
It looked a good decision at the time, and his wages would have been relatively low, but he's a player that got nowhere near breaking into the first team.0 -
Our luck with injuries continues0
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Its a hammy isn't it? Surely weeks rather than months. Unless a complete tear!0
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You know what happens to our players when they are injured...MuttleyCAFC said:Its a hammy isn't it? Surely weeks rather than months. Unless a complete tear!4 -
Grade 1 I would expect 2-4 weeks (Quite minor, would probably feel tight, but with a dead leg bruised feel can be healed in days)MuttleyCAFC said:Its a hammy isn't it? Surely weeks rather than months. Unless a complete tear!
Grade 2 I would expect 4-8 weeks (more severe, may involve minor tearing, probably hurts to walk, but only a bit, running will cause further damage)
Grade 3 I would expect months. (Complete rupture - would likely require surgery)3 -
anything from 6 weeks to 3 months, depending on the severity of it.1
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We have zero luck with injuries4
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Just found the NHS guide to Hamstring Strains:Dazzler21 said:
Grade 1 I would expect 2-4 weeks (Quite minor, would probably feel tight, but with a dead leg bruised feel can be healed in days)MuttleyCAFC said:Its a hammy isn't it? Surely weeks rather than months. Unless a complete tear!
Grade 2 I would expect 4-8 weeks (more severe, may involve minor tearing, probably hurts to walk, but only a bit, running will cause further damage)
Grade 3 I would expect months. (Complete rupture - would likely require surgery)
Mild hamstring strains (grade 1) will usually cause sudden pain and tenderness at the back of your thigh. It may be painful to move your leg, but the strength of the muscle should not be affected.Partial hamstring tears (grade 2) are usually more painful and tender. There may also be some swelling and bruising at the back of your thigh and you may have lost some strength in your leg.
Severe hamstring tears (grade 3) will usually be very painful, tender, swollen and bruised. There may have been a "popping" sensation at the time of the injury and you'll be unable to use the affected leg.
Recovering from a hamstring injury may take days, weeks or months, depending on how severe it is. A completely torn hamstring may take several months to heal and you'll be unable to resume training or play sport during this time.
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It's Charlton it's going to be Grade 3. In fact they will probably devise a grade 4 or 5 to ensure he's out for the rest of the season
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I am today it seems. I just don't believe our injury record over the years especially recently.Oggy Red said:
Are you sitting under Golfie's big black cloud, Len?LenGlover said:It's Charlton it's going to be Grade 3. In fact they will probably devise a grade 4 or 5 to ensure he's out for the rest of the season
The worry with Alfie in particular is the potential effect of a severe hamstring (or whatever) injury on that pace which makes him different and such a threat.
We have nobody else remotely comparable from what I can see unless someone else is lurking in the U18s or somewhere I know nothing about.1 -
Injury recovery must be an area where TS can improve our team due to his contacts with the medical industry in the States.4
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Could Alfie's injury have been avoided?
On the face of it clearly not.
What I will say is, he makes 4 or 5 of his lung busting end to end runs per match.
Is that healthy? I'm not so sure.
I know Bowyer says that these injuries are part and parcel of the game but the frequency of them is getting concerning.
I'm not a sports scientist, but I'm guessing the technology available and expertise on hand has changed a hell of a lot in the 6 years since Roland Duchatelet took over.
The no doubt high cost and his interest levels would suggest that we are not and have not been at the cutting edge of this technology for many years.
I've mentioned marginal gains in another thread and their importance in a wage capped league. Any edge we can get will help us achieve where we want to be.
I'm hopeful TS is taking a serious look into improving things. Bowyer kind of said as much in his talksport interview yesterday. I hope he gets all of the help he needs.3 -
In retrospect Alfie may have been overplayed, like Bonne was around Christmas time.carly burn said:Could Alfie's injury have been avoided?
On the face of it clearly not.
What I will say is, he makes 4 or 5 of his lung busting end to end runs per match.
Is that healthy? I'm not so sure.
I know Bowyer says that these injuries are part and parcel of the game but the frequency of them is getting concerning.
I'm not a sports scientist, but I'm guessing the technology available and expertise on hand has changed a hell of a lot in the 6 years since Roland Duchatelet took over.
The no doubt high cost and his interest levels would suggest that we are not and have not been at the cutting edge of this technology for many years.
I've mentioned marginal gains in another thread and their importance in a wage capped league. Any edge we can get will help us achieve where we want to be.
I'm hopeful TS is taking a serious look into improving things. Bowyer kind of said as much in his talksport interview yesterday. I hope he gets all of the help he needs.
While our other attacking players have been rotated by Bowyer, or integrated into the side slowly, Alfie had been virtually ever present, playing all 7 league games, both EFL Cup games and even making a sub appearance in the EFL Trophy1 -
4-5 Wouldn't be excessive. It's literally what wingers across the land do 5-10 times a game... Someone like JBG or Lookman managed it fine. The only difference is stature, Alfie is a bit gangly and seems a little weak shoulder to shoulder.carly burn said:Could Alfie's injury have been avoided?
On the face of it clearly not.
What I will say is, he makes 4 or 5 of his lung busting end to end runs per match.
Is that healthy? I'm not so sure.
I know Bowyer says that these injuries are part and parcel of the game but the frequency of them is getting concerning.
I'm not a sports scientist, but I'm guessing the technology available and expertise on hand has changed a hell of a lot in the 6 years since Roland Duchatelet took over.
The no doubt high cost and his interest levels would suggest that we are not and have not been at the cutting edge of this technology for many years.
I've mentioned marginal gains in another thread and their importance in a wage capped league. Any edge we can get will help us achieve where we want to be.
I'm hopeful TS is taking a serious look into improving things. Bowyer kind of said as much in his talksport interview yesterday. I hope he gets all of the help he needs.
Maybe some flexibility with some loaded resistance training would do him well? (He may already be working towards this) He might lose a yard of pace, but that may benefit him a little as he often overstrides onto his forward knocks and he'd still have a yard more than most...
Also Celtic still won't leave him alone: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/10/26/absolutely-brilliant-too-good-for-us-celtics-reported-january-target-shines-again/
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I have not watched us this season but Smyth is rapid isn't he? Maybe he could do a similar job.LenGlover said:
I am today it seems. I just don't believe our injury record over the years especially recently.Oggy Red said:
Are you sitting under Golfie's big black cloud, Len?LenGlover said:It's Charlton it's going to be Grade 3. In fact they will probably devise a grade 4 or 5 to ensure he's out for the rest of the season
The worry with Alfie in particular is the potential effect of a severe hamstring (or whatever) injury on that pace which makes him different and such a threat.
We have nobody else remotely comparable from what I can see unless someone else is lurking in the U18s or somewhere I know nothing about.1 - Sponsored links:
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Smyth isn't slow (in Charlton terms) but I wouldn't say he was exceptionally quick from what I have seen of him.Athletico Charlton said:
I have not watched us this season but Smyth is rapid isn't he? Maybe he could do a similar job.LenGlover said:
I am today it seems. I just don't believe our injury record over the years especially recently.Oggy Red said:
Are you sitting under Golfie's big black cloud, Len?LenGlover said:It's Charlton it's going to be Grade 3. In fact they will probably devise a grade 4 or 5 to ensure he's out for the rest of the season
The worry with Alfie in particular is the potential effect of a severe hamstring (or whatever) injury on that pace which makes him different and such a threat.
We have nobody else remotely comparable from what I can see unless someone else is lurking in the U18s or somewhere I know nothing about.0 -
Does he need to be exceptionally quick at this level? Doughty may be exceptionally quick, but his ball control often lets him down when he tries to get the ball to the line, he's better when he's cutting back inside but runs the ball out quite often. If Smyth has better control, he can probably be used in this way.LenGlover said:
Smyth isn't slow (in Charlton terms) but I wouldn't say he was exceptionally quick from what I have seen of him.Athletico Charlton said:
I have not watched us this season but Smyth is rapid isn't he? Maybe he could do a similar job.LenGlover said:
I am today it seems. I just don't believe our injury record over the years especially recently.Oggy Red said:
Are you sitting under Golfie's big black cloud, Len?LenGlover said:It's Charlton it's going to be Grade 3. In fact they will probably devise a grade 4 or 5 to ensure he's out for the rest of the season
The worry with Alfie in particular is the potential effect of a severe hamstring (or whatever) injury on that pace which makes him different and such a threat.
We have nobody else remotely comparable from what I can see unless someone else is lurking in the U18s or somewhere I know nothing about.0 -
They are so full of shit it's unbelievable, so many things wrong with thatDazzler21 said:
4-5 Wouldn't be excessive. It's literally what wingers across the land do 5-10 times a game... Someone like JBG or Lookman managed it fine. The only difference is stature, Alfie is a bit gangly and seems a little weak shoulder to shoulder.carly burn said:Could Alfie's injury have been avoided?
On the face of it clearly not.
What I will say is, he makes 4 or 5 of his lung busting end to end runs per match.
Is that healthy? I'm not so sure.
I know Bowyer says that these injuries are part and parcel of the game but the frequency of them is getting concerning.
I'm not a sports scientist, but I'm guessing the technology available and expertise on hand has changed a hell of a lot in the 6 years since Roland Duchatelet took over.
The no doubt high cost and his interest levels would suggest that we are not and have not been at the cutting edge of this technology for many years.
I've mentioned marginal gains in another thread and their importance in a wage capped league. Any edge we can get will help us achieve where we want to be.
I'm hopeful TS is taking a serious look into improving things. Bowyer kind of said as much in his talksport interview yesterday. I hope he gets all of the help he needs.
Maybe some flexibility with some loaded resistance training would do him well? (He may already be working towards this) He might lose a yard of pace, but that may benefit him a little as he often overstrides onto his forward knocks and he'd still have a yard more than most...
Also Celtic still won't leave him alone: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/10/26/absolutely-brilliant-too-good-for-us-celtics-reported-january-target-shines-again/1 -
Agree. If Bowyer wanted a replacement for Alfie tactically, then Paul Smyth is the logical choice.Athletico Charlton said:
I have not watched us this season but Smyth is rapid isn't he? Maybe he could do a similar job.LenGlover said:
I am today it seems. I just don't believe our injury record over the years especially recently.Oggy Red said:
Are you sitting under Golfie's big black cloud, Len?LenGlover said:It's Charlton it's going to be Grade 3. In fact they will probably devise a grade 4 or 5 to ensure he's out for the rest of the season
The worry with Alfie in particular is the potential effect of a severe hamstring (or whatever) injury on that pace which makes him different and such a threat.
We have nobody else remotely comparable from what I can see unless someone else is lurking in the U18s or somewhere I know nothing about.
Maybe he wouldn't be as strong in the air as obviously he's not as big as Alfie, but he's pretty rapid and could play the same wide role (not as wingback though). I keep thinking back to our 2nd goal at Northampton - no reason why Smith wide couldn't be found by an Amos drop kick on the counter, sprint to the line and lay the ball back across the box.
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This may be in hope more than anything, but has
anything been reported by the club as to the extent
of injury?.
So far all I have seen is the instagram post, and
everyone on CL with their diagnosis, unless i have
missed something official.
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Do Rangers and Celtic have an academy? As the last couple of years they seem to have done nothing but grab up and coming youth for low prices from lower English leagues.addick1956 said:
What is up with Scotland...do they do nothing for themselves. Tell 'em to grow their own.Dazzler21 said:
4-5 Wouldn't be excessive. It's literally what wingers across the land do 5-10 times a game... Someone like JBG or Lookman managed it fine. The only difference is stature, Alfie is a bit gangly and seems a little weak shoulder to shoulder.carly burn said:Could Alfie's injury have been avoided?
On the face of it clearly not.
What I will say is, he makes 4 or 5 of his lung busting end to end runs per match.
Is that healthy? I'm not so sure.
I know Bowyer says that these injuries are part and parcel of the game but the frequency of them is getting concerning.
I'm not a sports scientist, but I'm guessing the technology available and expertise on hand has changed a hell of a lot in the 6 years since Roland Duchatelet took over.
The no doubt high cost and his interest levels would suggest that we are not and have not been at the cutting edge of this technology for many years.
I've mentioned marginal gains in another thread and their importance in a wage capped league. Any edge we can get will help us achieve where we want to be.
I'm hopeful TS is taking a serious look into improving things. Bowyer kind of said as much in his talksport interview yesterday. I hope he gets all of the help he needs.
Maybe some flexibility with some loaded resistance training would do him well? (He may already be working towards this) He might lose a yard of pace, but that may benefit him a little as he often overstrides onto his forward knocks and he'd still have a yard more than most...
Also Celtic still won't leave him alone: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/10/26/absolutely-brilliant-too-good-for-us-celtics-reported-january-target-shines-again/0 -
The fact Doughty could limp off, albeit painfully, suggests it isn't a Grade 3.
In terms of Scotland producing players, they did manage to produce no shortage of great ones in the past. There only seems to be a very small number now. It is a valid question why this has dried up. Could it be the big two are more interested in buying and nicking foreign talent?0 -
Celtic in particular, really annoy me. They seem to think they are important. Jog on and get your own players.addick1956 said:
What is up with Scotland...do they do nothing for themselves. Tell 'em to grow their own.Dazzler21 said:
4-5 Wouldn't be excessive. It's literally what wingers across the land do 5-10 times a game... Someone like JBG or Lookman managed it fine. The only difference is stature, Alfie is a bit gangly and seems a little weak shoulder to shoulder.carly burn said:Could Alfie's injury have been avoided?
On the face of it clearly not.
What I will say is, he makes 4 or 5 of his lung busting end to end runs per match.
Is that healthy? I'm not so sure.
I know Bowyer says that these injuries are part and parcel of the game but the frequency of them is getting concerning.
I'm not a sports scientist, but I'm guessing the technology available and expertise on hand has changed a hell of a lot in the 6 years since Roland Duchatelet took over.
The no doubt high cost and his interest levels would suggest that we are not and have not been at the cutting edge of this technology for many years.
I've mentioned marginal gains in another thread and their importance in a wage capped league. Any edge we can get will help us achieve where we want to be.
I'm hopeful TS is taking a serious look into improving things. Bowyer kind of said as much in his talksport interview yesterday. I hope he gets all of the help he needs.
Maybe some flexibility with some loaded resistance training would do him well? (He may already be working towards this) He might lose a yard of pace, but that may benefit him a little as he often overstrides onto his forward knocks and he'd still have a yard more than most...
Also Celtic still won't leave him alone: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/10/26/absolutely-brilliant-too-good-for-us-celtics-reported-january-target-shines-again/3 -
Given his reaction I would put it at quite a severe grade2. I'm nailing my flag to the 6-8 weeks post. Just in time to be soldMuttleyCAFC said:The fact Doughty could limp off, albeit painfully, suggests it isn't a Grade 3.
In terms of Scotland producing players, they did manage to produce no shortage of great ones in the past. There only seems to be a very small number now. It is a valid question why this has dried up. Could it be the big two are more interested in buying and nicking foreign talent?
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Alfie will be too good for Scottish football. Better to stay with us in the Champ next season and give promotion a real go. If not let him move on if he wants after that for a fee of course.0
