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Post-match Thread: Milton Keynes v Charlton Athletic | Tue 26 Jan 2021 | 7pm
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Yes they were considered better chances than the one that was scored.eaststandmike said:
Thanks but................if the yellow arrow is the actual goal why are there 2 x larger shapes, your break down means the circle over the pen spot and the hex near the six yard box had more chance of going in than the goal itself???Callumcafc said:
It's all the shot locations from the game and the larger the area of the shape, the more chance it had of going in. I'm still trying to work out how the varying shapes are allocated but I'm guessing it's along the lines of header/shot/set-piece etc. The one with the yellow arrow going into the net is the goal.eaststandmike said:
Out of interest Callum what does this chart show as I do not have a clue?Callumcafc said:
MK Dons 0.56 - Charlton 0.88 is the expected goals score according to xG_mapper's model.
Just because it ended up a goal doesn't mean it was necessarily a better goalscoring opportunity. You could have a game with 5 missed open goals but then your centre back flies one into the top corner out of nowhere. That's what it's trying to depict.0 -
Are you on a wind-up?CraicAddick said:
Did you actually watch the game tonight?southamptonaddick said:
Did you actually watch the game?CraicAddick said:We'll never control possession or the tempo with Pratley in the middle of the park. There must be an alternative option of someone energetic who can also play..?
Pratley had one job tonight, to stop Scott Fraser.
He succeeded and besides succeeding in his main job he also had time to help out in other areas.
I'm sorry, but at this level of professional football you should be able to do more than 'stop' someone playing. We'll never reach the top if these are the types of players we want.
His inclusion in the team invites pressure.. it doesn't alleviate it.
When MK tore us a new one at the Valley Scott Fraser ran the show and we probably should have lost by a lot more than one goal.
Tonight Pratley nullified that threat and we won by one goal.
Every player has a job to do and Pratley did his job to perfection.
If you don't understand that in a particular game the manager needs to 'stop' a dangerous player then I personally don't think you know anything about football.28 -
MK were toothless tonight.ct_addick said:How are MK 16 th? Good team moved the ball well. We did not play the 2nd half but 3 points
From keeper, 10 yards forward to lanky CB, turn and sideways to wingback, sideways inside to lanky CB, back to the keeper, forwards 10 yards to the CB, back to the keeper, forwards to the lanky CB, run 10 yards to the centre circle, back to the first CB, sideways out wide 5 yards, sideways inside 5 yards, back to the lanky CB, sideways to the other CB, sidestep challenge and turn back, pass sideways to Fraser, just avoid certain death as Pratley lunges in, sideways, back to the lanky CB, evade JFC challenge and long ball high towards the wing - and out of play.
Something like that. Watching Brazil? My arse. MK Crabs, more like.
It was like watching Charlton at Christmas.
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We played so much better on Saturday going forward and we only scored 2 from 10 chances.
No Effing gifts tonight at the back and we have a bit of luck at last when they hit the post from the first half corner.
When we make quality crosses we score.
We hardly ever make quality crosses.
We need back to back wins.
MK Dons make more passes than Casanova, but unlike the cad they couldn't score.
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Think you're wrong there on two counts.CraicAddick said:
Did you actually watch the game tonight?southamptonaddick said:
Did you actually watch the game?CraicAddick said:We'll never control possession or the tempo with Pratley in the middle of the park. There must be an alternative option of someone energetic who can also play..?
Pratley had one job tonight, to stop Scott Fraser.
He succeeded and besides succeeding in his main job he also had time to help out in other areas.
I'm sorry, but at this level of professional football you should be able to do more than 'stop' someone playing. We'll never reach the top if these are the types of players we want.
His inclusion in the team invites pressure.. it doesn't alleviate it.
Firstly, Pratley's pressing in the fist 30 minutes or so was probably the key catalyst that made us an attacking threat in that phase of the game, which ended with us scoring the goal.
Secondly, Fraser (or Jackson as Curbs was calling him) took us to pieces at the Valley. He didn't tonight and was mainly reduced to shuffling the ball sideways.
Other that the sprawling save Amos made, they were mainly reduced to long crosses and set pieces for chances.
It takes a blend of things to win a game (we are in the third division, not the Champions League) and Pratley was a crucial ingredient in that tonight. My only criticism of him is that he should have leathered it when he went through just before the Millar goal - a chance he created by (yet again) turning over possession if I recall correctly.22 -
On Schwartz, if that was the first time we’d seen him tonight major alarm bells would have been going off as that was a complete turkey of an appearance. Been a while since I’ve seen a player look so off pace.Hopefully it was a one off, and he proves more like the previous appearances. Will naturally take a while to get match sharpness and used to playing so frequent games.8
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king addick said:
This is the mindset unfortunately.
We are a league 1 team mate...chill out.CraicAddick said:
Did you actually watch the game tonight?southamptonaddick said:
Did you actually watch the game?CraicAddick said:We'll never control possession or the tempo with Pratley in the middle of the park. There must be an alternative option of someone energetic who can also play..?
Pratley had one job tonight, to stop Scott Fraser.
He succeeded and besides succeeding in his main job he also had time to help out in other areas.
I'm sorry, but at this level of professional football you should be able to do more than 'stop' someone playing. We'll never reach the top if these are the types of players we want.
His inclusion in the team invites pressure.. it doesn't alleviate it.
His inclusion frees up things for the creative players whilst he does the dirty work.
I'd argue his inclusion actually makes it more difficult for the creative players.. it's much easier to create chances and getting play if their teammates maintain possession, give them options on the ball and create space for them.
Not watching the game go by and then closing down one player whenever he gets the ball..0 -
All I want is enough points to get out of the piss awful league, hopefully never to return. If we have to do that by winning 1-0 every week with a team of 10 Darren Pratleys and a goalkeeper then I'll will take that all day long.
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Thats the creative players fault then but Pratley had a job and done it brilliantly.Leuth said:
Tbf, there wasn't much creating going onking addick said:
We are a league 1 team mate...chill out.CraicAddick said:
Did you actually watch the game tonight?southamptonaddick said:
Did you actually watch the game?CraicAddick said:We'll never control possession or the tempo with Pratley in the middle of the park. There must be an alternative option of someone energetic who can also play..?
Pratley had one job tonight, to stop Scott Fraser.
He succeeded and besides succeeding in his main job he also had time to help out in other areas.
I'm sorry, but at this level of professional football you should be able to do more than 'stop' someone playing. We'll never reach the top if these are the types of players we want.
His inclusion in the team invites pressure.. it doesn't alleviate it.
His inclusion frees up things for the creative players whilst he does the dirty work.
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Pass the pot when you’re finished , I’ve got no shame I don’t mind your sloppy seconds and stirring your porridge custardpaulfox said:Thank f**k for that, it really wasn’t great but a win!!!!, and any excuse to get the custard out for a bit of cock dipping!!!! I nearly put it back in the cupboard!!😂5 -
The shapes are to differentiate between the different players - Washingtons efforts are all circles for example.Callumcafc said:
It's all the shot locations from the game and the larger the area of the shape, the more chance it had of going in. I'm still trying to work out how the varying shapes are allocated but I'm guessing it's along the lines of header/shot/set-piece etc. The one with the yellow arrow going into the net is the goal.eaststandmike said:
Out of interest Callum what does this chart show as I do not have a clue?Callumcafc said:
MK Dons 0.56 - Charlton 0.88 is the expected goals final score according to @xG_mapper 's model.1 -
Ah, back to early-season 'feeling uncomfortable whilst actually defending quite comfortably'... much better than the recent 'feeling comfortable whilst actually only 10 seconds from massive cock-up', or even the Accrington game 'feeling uncomfortable whilst actually being really uncomfortable'... loving the ugly 1-0.
Curbs said it at half time... "we'll get a chance, whether we put it away shapes the comfort of the game". We didn't. It was therefore scrappy.
Final point in the Pearce sub. Not the usual Bowyer 'put an extra man there, that'll work', but the far more educated 'push Gunter out right so we can double up on the left winger who looks the only threat'. Now that's better, Lee.11 -
Unfortunately, the creative players were too occupied spending the majority of game sprinting back into defensive positions because we can't keep hold of the ball. As a Central midfielder, It's also part of Pratleys job to keep possession and offer for the ball.king addick said:
Thats the creative players fault then but Pratley had a job and done it brilliantly.Leuth said:
Tbf, there wasn't much creating going onking addick said:
We are a league 1 team mate...chill out.CraicAddick said:
Did you actually watch the game tonight?southamptonaddick said:
Did you actually watch the game?CraicAddick said:We'll never control possession or the tempo with Pratley in the middle of the park. There must be an alternative option of someone energetic who can also play..?
Pratley had one job tonight, to stop Scott Fraser.
He succeeded and besides succeeding in his main job he also had time to help out in other areas.
I'm sorry, but at this level of professional football you should be able to do more than 'stop' someone playing. We'll never reach the top if these are the types of players we want.
His inclusion in the team invites pressure.. it doesn't alleviate it.
His inclusion frees up things for the creative players whilst he does the dirty work.
Not much time to create.3 -
Truth is we can’t afford to lose many more. Sunderland a point behind us with two games in hand and Accrington currently four points adrift but five in hand. We can easily find ourselves mid table and probably will. This disastrous run has killed us.0
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It’s odd, every team plays with a midfielder who can break up play and doesn’t necessarily offer too much going forward, but some people think we’re too good for a player like Pratley. It’s broken thinking; not every player in a team can be a creative presence, and those who can both destroy and create play at a higher level. The fact is Pratley does exactly what’s asked of him and brings organisation, professionalism and commitment into our whole team. When he’s not in our midfield other players, good as they are, aren’t anywhere near as cohesive. If you’re looking at Pratley and thinking he’s the kind of player we need to move on from then you’re focusing on the wrong areas32
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"He said he was ill" is a bit of a worryLouisMend said:13 -
Today was an XG leveller, I called it before the game , the performances have been better than the results recently and today it was the other way round , I felt totally comfortable, yes the oppo were shit but that’s because most of them are in this league.Cafc43v3r said:We have come back from 3-1 down against the team in 18th, 2 down against the team in 23rd, and beaten the teams in 16th and 19th 1-0 away and people honestly think that's good and gutsy?We are slowly heading in the right direction from a sea of complete shit admittedly and yes it will confuse a lot of our fan base when we go on a good run and go nowhere in the table .3 -
You need a player to win the ball back. Creative players can do that but an out and out CM doing it just frees up counter attacks etc.CraicAddick said:
This is the mindset unfortunately.king addick said:
We are a league 1 team mate...chill out.CraicAddick said:
Did you actually watch the game tonight?southamptonaddick said:
Did you actually watch the game?CraicAddick said:We'll never control possession or the tempo with Pratley in the middle of the park. There must be an alternative option of someone energetic who can also play..?
Pratley had one job tonight, to stop Scott Fraser.
He succeeded and besides succeeding in his main job he also had time to help out in other areas.
I'm sorry, but at this level of professional football you should be able to do more than 'stop' someone playing. We'll never reach the top if these are the types of players we want.
His inclusion in the team invites pressure.. it doesn't alleviate it.
His inclusion frees up things for the creative players whilst he does the dirty work.
I'd argue his inclusion actually makes it more difficult for the creative players.. it's much easier to create chances and getting play if their teammates maintain possession, give them options on the ball and create space for them.
Not watching the game go by and then closing down one player whenever he gets the ball..
He should, in theory, win the ball back lay it off to a team mate and push up/drop accordingly.
If our players are giving it away more often than not then he will need drop more.0 - Sponsored links:
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Also our defence has looked hopelessly exposed without someone doing that job.Garrymanilow said:It’s odd, every team plays with a midfielder who can break up play and doesn’t necessarily offer too much going forward, but some people think we’re too good for a player like Pratley. It’s broken thinking; not every player in a team can be a creative presence, and those who can both destroy and create play at a higher level. The fact is Pratley does exactly what’s asked of him and brings organisation, professionalism and commitment into our whole team. When he’s not in our midfield other players, good as they are, aren’t anywhere near as cohesive. If you’re looking at Pratley and thinking he’s the kind of player we need to move on from then you’re focusing on the wrong areas
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"I’ve got Liam Millar, in the 88th minute, defending a cross at the far post outstandingly, like a seasoned full-back."LouisMend said:
Oh fuck.
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I’m not arsed about the games in hand. That’s a lot of games for a lot of squads to fit in.5
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Really good result tonight. First half performance was strong, second was nervy but we saw it out.
I would be very surprised if there’s a better player in the middle of the pitch in this division at the moment than JFC.3 -
Have a feeling we’re not going to see much of Maddison for remainder of the season.Leeds_Addick said:
"He said he was ill" is a bit of a worryLouisMend said:5 -
Hmm. Concerned regarding Marcus, but sounds like he is still coming in and doing what he can.
“I’ve not seen him for a few days. I think I saw him yesterday from a distance with the fitness people, ticking boxes.“Ticking the box to see if he could start training again. But he’s not been in and around us for a few days now.”
If he's been injured then ill then I kind of get why he's not been around. But I am concerned what he means by "Marcus Says he was ill"2 -
Good away win, wanted a second to make it more comfortable but we did what we had to in the end. After we scored and MK Dons hit the post it felt like our luck was turning after recent games.Millar for Smyth/the injured Doughty, Stockley for Bogle and Shinnie back in the team improves us. Great performance from Pratley, Fraser couldn't run straight through the middle like he did in the home game.We did well going forward in the first half. Didn't threaten much in the second half but we were 1-0 up and playing who have a lot of possession. As good as it can look their league position shows it's not getting them results.
For some it won't be enough, for me we're improving. Bowyer's picking more balanced sides that have threats going. Attacking subs came on other than Pearce with a few minutes to go. Only one game but we got through the first half without giving the opposition a 2/3 goal lead.
I said after Saturday I'd stick with 4-4-2 and play Morgan on the right. Good decision from Bowyer to go more defensive with Pratley in the middle. Due to that Shinnie then started in that role on the right. It gives the midfield a good balance with Millar's pace, energy and dribbling ability on one side and Shinnie on the other. He's just as comfortable on the ball but offers a different threat with his passing rather than pace.
I've seen a few negative comments about tonight's win on here and social media. Maybe it's easy to forget that our promotion winning sides in the recent past didn't dominate all game and neither was every win comfortable. Look back there are plenty of examples of grinding out narrow wins. I remember reading comments from opposition fans claiming "Charlton aren't that good" when we were regularly winning games in 11/12. There were flaws in that side but we built a team that was very consistent, strong defensively and could score goals. The 18/19 team under Bowyer had a lot of narrow wins and players we rate now like Dijksteel, Bielik and Aribo were improving as the season went on. In Parker we had a striker who couldn't score, even Bogle's scored twice this season.
We haven't looked like a team at times this season but I've seen positive changes recently, even though there's still room and a need to improve further. It feels to me like all the small improvements here and there are adding up and those fine margins are moving in our favour. There will be bumps along the way but I can see us going on a good run and unless there's another big injury crisis we should have enough to at least make the play-offs. With TS as owner I'm looking forward to seeing how the squad looks once the window has closed. Based on what we've done so far I think we can be confident we'll be stronger than we were at the start of January.
If a new manager had replaced Bowyer from the Rochdale game I think most would be thinking they've made a promising start.18
