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  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,212
    J BLOCK said:
    If Bowyer stays, I won't be buying anymore games. Can't bare to watch this rudderless team drift into mid table any longer. 
    I watched Leeds v Southampton followed by Atletico V Chelsea Tuesday night instead of ordering our game and it was the best decision I’ve made this week.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,350
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Would booooooing this team make them worse or better 🤷‍♂️
    It would make me feel better
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,160
    Arsenetatters said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Would booooooing this team make them worse or better 🤷‍♂️
    I can't imagine it would make them better. Has it ever improved a team? (serious question)
    How can we ever tell
    would the boooo'd teams have got even shittier( a bit like this pathetic bunch ) or did they improve because of the booooing 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,627
    I’ve never booed a Charlton team or player and never will. Those that do should give their heads a wobble.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    Let's hope performances improve. If we continue averaging a point a game for the rest of the season it will be pretty depressing.
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,627
    AFKABartram said:
    I’m actually quite comforted that on the face of it, Sandgaard doesn’t appear to be a trigger happy lunatic 
    Just a lunatic
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    J BLOCK said:
    If Bowyer stays, I won't be buying anymore games. Can't bare to watch this rudderless team drift into mid table any longer. 
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Looks like Bowyer will be here for the rest of the season.  Like all Charlton fans, I hope he turns it around & really want him to, but I won't be watching.

     Im not paying £10 a game to watch any more of this rubbish under Bowyer.
    I don’t think I could ever not go/watch Charlton out of choice. The chance of missing a great performance, a stunning goal, the emergence of a young player. 
    Being there at the lows makes the high points sweeter. I guess the hard core supporters are made up of the optimistic and the nothing better to do. 🙂
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,437
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,212
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
    Depends, if you’re not watching charlton cos you fancy watching eastenders instead then yes.

    But if you’re not watching charlton because there’s a chance it’ll put you in a foul mood for the remainder of the week and you’ll come close to putting your foot through the screen, then no.
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
    There are 100s of reasons I haven't watched Charlton games over the last 30 odd years.  Being "a bit shit" has never been one of them. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Callumcafc said:
    I think it’s fairly clear he’s here for the rest of the season now so I will be fully behind Bowyer for the remaining third of the season.
    I'll 100% be behind him to turn things around and for us to go on a run.

    But until I see evidence of that happening in results and feedback on here I won't be watching another minute on Valley Pass. The football is just awful to watch currently. 

    I preferred it last season when we had a bunch of kids, fighting against quality teams like Leeds - then watching us get torn apart by a sloppy team like Burton. 
    I feel the same. I couldn't watch the last two because of work but I'm not forking out £10 a match to watch garbage. Despite thinking he has no chance, naturally I want us to win every game so if he turns it round I'll hold my hands up and would be delighted to do so. 
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    edited February 2021
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
    It's easier not to watch these days I guess. 

    Personally I am in the tight finances bucket, especially with the current covid situation, but am still paying for quite a few games this season, looking back it's 18 so far......(Watching the rest on the snide too). Shame we didn't have a season ticket VP only option as I possibly would have spent around the same and used VP throughout. 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,437
    BR7_addick said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
    Depends, if you’re not watching charlton cos you fancy watching eastenders instead then yes.

    But if you’re not watching charlton because there’s a chance it’ll put you in a foul mood for the remainder of the week and you’ll come close to putting your foot through the screen, then no.
    Cafc43v3r said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
    There are 100s of reasons I haven't watched Charlton games over the last 30 odd years.  Being "a bit shit" has never been one of them. 
    Dazzler21 said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?
    It's easier not to watch these days I guess. 

    Personally I am in the tight finances bucket, especially with the current covid situation.
    Three good responses, thanks guys

    Not trying to piss people off as know its an area that can question people's loyalty so appreciate the replies
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    I remember starting a thread a while ago asking 'how many will be buying today's stream' and got battered for not being a real and supportive fan. 

    It's clear that more than a dozen have decided against buying the next stream. Maybe this form of fan feedback is important, rather than social media abuse.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Redrobo said:
    J BLOCK said:
    If Bowyer stays, I won't be buying anymore games. Can't bare to watch this rudderless team drift into mid table any longer. 
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Looks like Bowyer will be here for the rest of the season.  Like all Charlton fans, I hope he turns it around & really want him to, but I won't be watching.

     Im not paying £10 a game to watch any more of this rubbish under Bowyer.
    I don’t think I could ever not go/watch Charlton out of choice. The chance of missing a great performance, a stunning goal, the emergence of a young player. 
    Being there at the lows makes the high points sweeter. I guess the hard core supporters are made up of the optimistic and the nothing better to do. 🙂
    i'll take my chances with that one...
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    edited February 2021
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?

    No, why would it be? The emotions I get watching Charlton play are completely different to most things I experience in my life - I have no interest in watching any other football, but the level of joy and feeling of contentment I get from watching Charlton win a game is only matched from spending time with my son.

    And at the moment, due to the performances on the pitch, I would rather spend those hours with my family.

    Would you call someone who enjoyed a video game franchise, say FIFA, and played them for every year, a fairweather fan if they choose not to play that years game because the quality was poor? 

    Or the same to a passionate fan of a band, who has gone to every tour show, but chooses not to go to the latest one because the latest album was bad?

    I do hate this view by some people, not saying you at all btw FA, that your 'passion' for Charlton and for Charlton doing well is in someway inferior because you do not want to watch them play a game. 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,818
    I might not have seen too many games over the past 40+ years if I stopped every time we were a 'bit shit'
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,810
    I get most Saturday games, but not midweek matches as it's a mixture of want my evenings to myself, and it'll be impossible to get my eldest to bed if the game was on, and I can't be arsed to deal with an over-emotional 7-year-old when we lose. It's bad enough dealing with you lot after a defeat.
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    cafcfan1990 said: hi
    FishCostaFortune said:
    Callumcafc said:
    I think it’s fairly clear he’s here for the rest of the season now so I will be fully behind Bowyer for the remaining third of the season.
    I'll 100% be behind him to turn things around and for us to go on a run.

    But until I see evidence of that happening in results and feedback on here I won't be watching another minute on Valley Pass. The football is just awful to watch currently. 

    I preferred it last season when we had a bunch of kids, fighting against quality teams like Leeds - then watching us get torn apart by a sloppy team like Burton. 
    I feel the same. I couldn't watch the last two because of work but I'm not forking out £10 a match to watch garbage. Despite thinking he has no chance, naturally I want us to win every game so if he turns it round I'll hold my hands up and would be delighted to do so. 
    Happy to shell out a tenner, even if it is garbage, because 1) we live in hope 2) it supports the club 3) these are critical times, and Bowyer at least deserves that people watch the performances before calling for his sacking. However unlikely it seems, it *is* still just possible we might turn this around. 

    PS Great wicket for Root!
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  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,315
    edited February 2021
    Redrobo said:
    J BLOCK said:
    If Bowyer stays, I won't be buying anymore games. Can't bare to watch this rudderless team drift into mid table any longer. 
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Looks like Bowyer will be here for the rest of the season.  Like all Charlton fans, I hope he turns it around & really want him to, but I won't be watching.

     Im not paying £10 a game to watch any more of this rubbish under Bowyer.
    I don’t think I could ever not go/watch Charlton out of choice. The chance of missing a great performance, a stunning goal, the emergence of a young player. 
    Being there at the lows makes the high points sweeter. I guess the hard core supporters are made up of the optimistic and the nothing better to do. 🙂
    I'd call myself a hardcore supporter. Hitchhiked a lift to see us promoted at Carlisle, once flew from a holiday in Spain for Sunderland away then flew back, I was also at Northwich Victoria ... 

    But i'm not going to watch us going no where out of blind loyalty to a team that won't be here next season. If we could attend games live I would go, as it's more than the football. But the horse has bolted for me now, we're just waiting on the inevitable. 
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    edited February 2021
    I think there’s a difference where the stream is concerned.

    If someone stopped turning up to The Valley to support the side purely because the performances were poor, then yes that for me indicates a fair weather fan.

    However, paying money to watch a game over a stream where you can’t really ‘support’ the side from your front room is an entirely different experience. Behind a stream it doesn’t feel as though we can influence the game in any way.
  • Redvaliant
    Redvaliant Posts: 515
    So there we have it, boycott when RD was the owner, now boycott because we are shite.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,175
    FishCostaFortune said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?

    No, why would it be? The emotions I get watching Charlton play are completely different to most things I experience in my life - I have no interest in watching any other football, but the level of joy and feeling of contentment I get from watching Charlton win a game is only matched from spending time with my son.

    And at the moment, due to the performances on the pitch, I would rather spend those hours with my family.

    Would you call someone who enjoyed a video game franchise, say FIFA, and played them for every year, a fairweather fan if they choose not to play that years game because the quality was poor? 

    Or passionate fan of a band, who has gone to every tour show, but chooses not to go to the latest one because the latest album was bad?
    I'm not arguing against the wider point about what does and doesn't make a fairweather fan because I think that's not a good argument to have (we're all Charlton fans, some of us have different circumstances), but this is a bad comparison. You buy FIFA with the express intention of it being an enjoyable experience. It's a product made to be an enjoyable experience. If they fail in that then their game hasn't met its purpose. Supporting a football team is completely different though; you don't go to watch Charlton with the express intention that you'll be having a good time, you go in hope and accept that there's a decent chance you'll end up upset or angry at the end of the experience. Football teams don't exist to make you happy like a product does, they exist to compete and survive and hopefully the people who watch them do it get to enjoy it. That's part of the joy of supporting a football team, the good feels so much better because it has to battle through the potential for the bad. If that wasn't the case then there wouldn't be any Charlton fans at all, we'd all follow Bayern Munich. Ten consecutive years of league titles and every time a rival team produces a decent player you just take them off their hands with your financial muscle. Easy. It's more like a relationship; it won't always make you happy, people won't always get it and you can walk away whenever you want depending on the strength of feeling you have there, but it doesn't exist with the sole intention of making you happy like a product does.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Redvaliant said:
    So there we have it, boycott when RD was the owner, now boycott because we are shite.
    Or was the "boycott" under RD over stated because we were, mainly, shite? 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,818
    it might drive me mental watching us at the moment and do nothing for my mood - but it's literally the only thing I have to look forward to sitting at home working all week!.

    Plus I love the whole production, would pay the tenner just to listen to Scotty, Curbs + guests chat over old times
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    edited February 2021
    Garrymanilow said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Probably going to get slated for this and understand completely if people's finances are tight and have to pick and choose games a bit more but is not watching Charlton purely when they're on a bad run a bit fairweather?

    No, why would it be? The emotions I get watching Charlton play are completely different to most things I experience in my life - I have no interest in watching any other football, but the level of joy and feeling of contentment I get from watching Charlton win a game is only matched from spending time with my son.

    And at the moment, due to the performances on the pitch, I would rather spend those hours with my family.

    Would you call someone who enjoyed a video game franchise, say FIFA, and played them for every year, a fairweather fan if they choose not to play that years game because the quality was poor? 

    Or passionate fan of a band, who has gone to every tour show, but chooses not to go to the latest one because the latest album was bad?
    I'm not arguing against the wider point about what does and doesn't make a fairweather fan because I think that's not a good argument to have (we're all Charlton fans, some of us have different circumstances), but this is a bad comparison. You buy FIFA with the express intention of it being an enjoyable experience. It's a product made to be an enjoyable experience. If they fail in that then their game hasn't met its purpose. Supporting a football team is completely different though; you don't go to watch Charlton with the express intention that you'll be having a good time, you go in hope and accept that there's a decent chance you'll end up upset or angry at the end of the experience. Football teams don't exist to make you happy like a product does, they exist to compete and survive and hopefully the people who watch them do it get to enjoy it. That's part of the joy of supporting a football team, the good feels so much better because it has to battle through the potential for the bad. If that wasn't the case then there wouldn't be any Charlton fans at all, we'd all follow Bayern Munich. Ten consecutive years of league titles and every time a rival team produces a decent player you just take them off their hands with your financial muscle. Easy. It's more like a relationship; it won't always make you happy, people won't always get it and you can walk away whenever you want depending on the strength of feeling you have there, but it doesn't exist with the sole intention of making you happy like a product does.
    Yet the moment something bad happens to a footballer on the pitch, such as with Fabrice Muamba, people rush out to claim 'how it puts it all in perspective, and football is only just a game'.

    It can't be both things.

    And also, go on reddit, or forums related specific things like games like Fifa and Call of Duty and you will find that the time, love and passion the some people put into those things are equally as akin to them as football is to others. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Elthamaddick said:
    it might drive me mental watching us at the moment and do nothing for my mood - but it's literally the only thing I have to look forward to sitting at home working all week!.

    Plus I love the whole production, would pay the tenner just to listen to Scotty, Curbs + guests chat over old times
    That just depresses me more. You got Curbs talking such sense and talking about the good old times. Then you watch as Bowyer plays his 56th different formation of the season and the players just walking round like they've just met. 
  • charltonnick
    charltonnick Posts: 3,063
    Thomas has invested a lot of money buying the club. The only regular income the club gets is money from Valley Pass. The least we can do is support the club in this way. Why should Thomas put the money in and then fans turn their backs. If moneys tight , that's different but put your faith in Thomas Sandgaard , where would we be without him.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,875
    Rothko said:
    I get most Saturday games, but not midweek matches as it's a mixture of want my evenings to myself, and it'll be impossible to get my eldest to bed if the game was on, and I can't be arsed to deal with an over-emotional 7-year-old when we lose. It's bad enough dealing with you lot after a defeat.
    Surely putting Charlton on is the perfect way to get a child into bed  ;)

    ”Dad, can’t I go to bed? Or clean my room? Or do some more algebra, anything but watching Charlton lose again!”
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