We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they? Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they? Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
Just the two sendings off today.
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Either the players aren't as good as we thought they were or they're just playing for a manager who doesn't know how to get the best out of them.
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they? Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
Just the two sendings off today.
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking about
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
Roddy obviously seeing what we all see! Bowyers seeing him as the main threat to his job as in that statement about problem coming from within the club. Would imagine Roddys on the phone to TS right now!
I read that statement as what had happened before TS had took over not currently. I may be wrong?
Totally, he went on to say that those causing the problems then just disappeared.
No idea whether Roddy and Bowyer get on although given how Bowyer’s been calling out the players public ally I’d be surprised if Roddy was super impressed, don’t think these comments had anything to do with that.
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smyth
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they? Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
Just the two sendings off today.
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking about
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat it
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they? Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
Just the two sendings off today.
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking about
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat it
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?
Take a step back and breath.
What’s the difference in level between us and Swindon since he signed was my question, let me know if you can answer.
I’m talking about setting standards that you mention in your post, what sort of standard are players adhering too when we get beat 3 zip and have 2 sendings off.
It's probably just the pessimist in me after all the shit we've been through in the past few years, but I'm starting to get slightly concerned as to why TS hasn't sacked Bowyer.
I really can't see any reason why Bowyer is still in charge over recent weeks, unless he can't afford to sack him??
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smyth
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they? Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
Just the two sendings off today.
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking about
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat it
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?
Mate it’s the same league, it’s barely a different level. We’re half a dozen places above them. You’ve countered your own argument by alluding to anyone being able to beat anyone.
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smyth
So many players have made a good first impressions, then regressed
Gilbey (before the injury) Washington who had 5 goals in his first 10 games (albeit including penalties), but only 2 since Maatsen who looked the best LB in L1 when he joined, but who has struggled more as the season progressed Schwartz who had that great goal in his second match, but has been invisible in the last few matches DJ who looked exciting in his first sub appearance, but who has been subbed early 2 games running now
And that's not even counting the players who were dumped after 3 months like Bogle, Maddison and Smyth
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smyth
When they left
Aneke?
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start him
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this level
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smyth
When they left
Aneke?
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start him
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this level
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT
Has Bowyer improved him or is it because he barely played last season and we’re in the league below?
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smyth
When they left
Aneke?
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start him
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this level
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT
Has Bowyer improved him or is it because he barely played last season and we’re in the league below?
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt there
We couldn’t beat them
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat them
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.
He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smyth
When they left
Aneke?
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start him
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this level
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT
Has Bowyer improved him or is it because he barely played last season and we’re in the league below?
Dont think thats Bowyer's fault
Im not saying it is, but that’s not the point is it.
We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him there
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they? Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
Just the two sendings off today.
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking about
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat it
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?
I'd argue we were hardly fighting for the play offs when he joined. We may have been in a position near the play offs, albeit slightly artificially due to games in hand, but we had long since performed as a team that had any right to be near them.
It’s just really sad to see this unfolding like this. I really don’t think he deserves some of the name calling.
It seems something bigger has happened that has caused this and bowyer is angry and hurt but I can’t see a way back for him with these players.
You don’t just become a bad manager overnight but he can’t fix this so best for everyone that he goes. Take a break and come back at another club refreshed.
If bowyer lasts you maybe start to think Thomas and maybe even ged side with bowyer on what’s gone on but without knowing it’s hard for fans to take that view after watching the displays lately which are full of players not trying.
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Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?
No idea whether Roddy and Bowyer get on although given how Bowyer’s been calling out the players public ally I’d be surprised if Roddy was super impressed, don’t think these comments had anything to do with that.
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?
What’s the difference in level between us and Swindon since he signed was my question, let me know if you can answer.
I really can't see any reason why Bowyer is still in charge over recent weeks, unless he can't afford to sack him??
Gilbey (before the injury)
Washington who had 5 goals in his first 10 games (albeit including penalties), but only 2 since
Maatsen who looked the best LB in L1 when he joined, but who has struggled more as the season progressed
Schwartz who had that great goal in his second match, but has been invisible in the last few matches
DJ who looked exciting in his first sub appearance, but who has been subbed early 2 games running now
And that's not even counting the players who were dumped after 3 months like Bogle, Maddison and Smyth
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT