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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.0 -
Totally, he went on to say that those causing the problems then just disappeared.Bedsaddick said:
I read that statement as what had happened before TS had took over not currently. I may be wrong?dajavouslagan said:Roddy obviously seeing what we all see! Bowyers seeing him as the main threat to his job as in that statement about problem coming from within the club. Would imagine Roddys on the phone to TS right now!
No idea whether Roddy and Bowyer get on although given how Bowyer’s been calling out the players public ally I’d be surprised if Roddy was super impressed, don’t think these comments had anything to do with that.0 -
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smythhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.When they left4 -
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat itJ BLOCK said:
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking aboutForeverAddickted said:
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?J BLOCK said:
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they?ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?Just the two sendings off today.
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?1 -
Dazzler21 said:So what's the concensus?
Is the issue:
A - Bowyer has lost the dressing room as suggested by a player to J Block
Or
B - ThE PlAyErS ArEn'T gOoD eNoUgH.Both0 -
J BLOCK - you have been telling fans what many of them have only just worked out since the beginning of December and still they argue with you!!!!2
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Take a step back and breath.ForeverAddickted said:
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat itJ BLOCK said:
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking aboutForeverAddickted said:
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?J BLOCK said:
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they?ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?Just the two sendings off today.
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?
What’s the difference in level between us and Swindon since he signed was my question, let me know if you can answer.I’m talking about setting standards that you mention in your post, what sort of standard are players adhering too when we get beat 3 zip and have 2 sendings off.0 -
It's probably just the pessimist in me after all the shit we've been through in the past few years, but I'm starting to get slightly concerned as to why TS hasn't sacked Bowyer.
I really can't see any reason why Bowyer is still in charge over recent weeks, unless he can't afford to sack him??5 -
Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smythhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.When they left1 -
Mate it’s the same league, it’s barely a different level. We’re half a dozen places above them. You’ve countered your own argument by alluding to anyone being able to beat anyone.ForeverAddickted said:
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat itJ BLOCK said:
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking aboutForeverAddickted said:
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?J BLOCK said:
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they?ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?Just the two sendings off today.
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?3 -
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Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start himForeverAddickted said:
Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smythhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.When they left0 -
Get Coleman in for rest of the season.0
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So many players have made a good first impressions, then regressed
Gilbey (before the injury)
Washington who had 5 goals in his first 10 games (albeit including penalties), but only 2 since
Maatsen who looked the best LB in L1 when he joined, but who has struggled more as the season progressed
Schwartz who had that great goal in his second match, but has been invisible in the last few matches
DJ who looked exciting in his first sub appearance, but who has been subbed early 2 games running now
And that's not even counting the players who were dumped after 3 months like Bogle, Maddison and Smyth4 -
Coleman isn’t going to leave Accrington for a job until the end of the season.Valley27000 said:Get Coleman in for rest of the season.0 -
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this levelcafcfan1990 said:
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start himForeverAddickted said:
Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smythhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.When they left
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT0 -
I hope he means John rather than Chris!!cafcfan1990 said:
Coleman isn’t going to leave Accrington for a job until the end of the season.Valley27000 said:Get Coleman in for rest of the season.2 -
Has Bowyer improved him or is it because he barely played last season and we’re in the league below?ForeverAddickted said:
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this levelcafcfan1990 said:
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start himForeverAddickted said:
Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smythhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.When they left
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT2 -
I presume he did.ForeverAddickted said:
I hope he means John rather than Chris!!cafcfan1990 said:
Coleman isn’t going to leave Accrington for a job until the end of the season.Valley27000 said:Get Coleman in for rest of the season.Although Olivia wouldn’t do worse than Bowyer at the moment.3 -
Dont think thats Bowyer's faultcafcfan1990 said:
Has Bowyer improved him or is it because he barely played last season and we’re in the league below?ForeverAddickted said:
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this levelcafcfan1990 said:
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start himForeverAddickted said:
Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smythhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.When they left
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT0 -
Im not saying it is, but that’s not the point is it.ForeverAddickted said:
Dont think thats Bowyer's faultcafcfan1990 said:
Has Bowyer improved him or is it because he barely played last season and we’re in the league below?ForeverAddickted said:
11-goals in League One, only three behind his best tally which is equally at this levelcafcfan1990 said:
Wouldn’t know, Bowyer doesn’t start himForeverAddickted said:
Aneke?cafcfan1990 said:
I can only think of two. Omar Bogle and Paul Smythhoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Can't think of a single player who has improved this season...cafcfan1990 said:
I never said we do. You said the bar was low because he was in a relegation fight. We’re in the same league against the same opposition. The point was he’s gone from being a star player in League 1 to someone who looks like he’s never played football.ForeverAddickted said:
And yet being higher in the league doesnt give us a devine right to beat themcafcfan1990 said:
We couldn’t beat themForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him no doubt thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
If teams down the bottom never beat teams further up the League, this would be rather a boring predictable sport right?He’ll come good soon though, Bowyer improves players.When they left
Good job he didnt start him today, would have been sent off before HT
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I'd argue we were hardly fighting for the play offs when he joined. We may have been in a position near the play offs, albeit slightly artificially due to games in hand, but we had long since performed as a team that had any right to be near them.ForeverAddickted said:
Well when Jaiyesimi signed, one team were fighting for the Play-Offs, the other were fighting relegation that is a different level within the league isnt it? - However you sarcastically want to sugar coat itJ BLOCK said:
I am and I haven’t change the discussion. You’re talking about level and standards I’m questioning what ‘level’ and ‘standards’ you are talking aboutForeverAddickted said:
Sorry I thought we were talking about Jaiyesimi... Why are you suddenly changing the discussion?J BLOCK said:
I’m not sure Charlton and Swindon are performing at that much of a different level are they?ForeverAddickted said:
Hence why Swindon were struggling in a relegation fight? - Bar was already set very low for him thereJ BLOCK said:We talk about players regressing under bowyer. How about the lad from Swindon, has gone from being their best player to someone who can’t even last longer than 45 minutes in one of the worst Charlton teams in years.
No doubt we thought he was better than that hence signing him but he's not just moved to a better club but is also having to up his level, after all he's no longer playing for a club that are in a relegation battle (lets cut the boring sarcastic responses!!) is he so has to up his own standards
Bowyer talks about standards, but what standards have we seen this season?Just the two sendings off today.
As for changing the subject, why then are you suddenly talking about two sendings off when Jaiyesimi wasnt sent off today?0 -
Chris.ForeverAddickted said:
I hope he means John rather than Chris!!cafcfan1990 said:
Coleman isn’t going to leave Accrington for a job until the end of the season.Valley27000 said:Get Coleman in for rest of the season.1 -
Yea... No thanks - Bloke is a shocking Manager in club footballValley27000 said:
Chris.ForeverAddickted said:
I hope he means John rather than Chris!!cafcfan1990 said:
Coleman isn’t going to leave Accrington for a job until the end of the season.Valley27000 said:Get Coleman in for rest of the season.0 -
It’s just really sad to see this unfolding like this. I really don’t think he deserves some of the name calling.It seems something bigger has happened that has caused this and bowyer is angry and hurt but I can’t see a way back for him with these players.You don’t just become a bad manager overnight but he can’t fix this so best for everyone that he goes. Take a break and come back at another club refreshed.If bowyer lasts you maybe start to think Thomas and maybe even ged side with bowyer on what’s gone on but without knowing it’s hard for fans to take that view after watching the displays lately which are full of players not trying.4
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Agreed, no thank you. Might get a bit more from the Welsh lot though. Shame we lost two in JanuaryForeverAddickted said:
Yea... No thanks - Bloke is a shocking Manager in club footballValley27000 said:
Chris.ForeverAddickted said:
I hope he means John rather than Chris!!cafcfan1990 said:
Coleman isn’t going to leave Accrington for a job until the end of the season.Valley27000 said:Get Coleman in for rest of the season.1 -
He’s lost the dressing room and they aren’t playing for him, I think it’s clear now.roseandcrown said:It’s just really sad to see this unfolding like this. I really think he deserves some of the name calling.It seems something bigger has happened that has caused this and bowyer is angry and hurt but I can’t see a way back for him with these players.You don’t just become a bad manager but he can’t fix this so best for everyone that he goes. Take a break and come back at another club refreshed.If bowyer lasts you maybe start to think Thomas and maybe even ged side with bowyer on what’s gone on but without knowing it’s hard for fans to take that view after watching the displays lately which are full of players not trying.
I agree that you don’t become a bad manager in just three months.9 -
I could see him doing a really good job at going in and saving clubs near the bottom. Getting them fired up and fighting.J BLOCK said:
He’s lost the dressing room and they aren’t playing for him, I think it’s clear now.roseandcrown said:It’s just really sad to see this unfolding like this. I really think he deserves some of the name calling.It seems something bigger has happened that has caused this and bowyer is angry and hurt but I can’t see a way back for him with these players.You don’t just become a bad manager but he can’t fix this so best for everyone that he goes. Take a break and come back at another club refreshed.If bowyer lasts you maybe start to think Thomas and maybe even ged side with bowyer on what’s gone on but without knowing it’s hard for fans to take that view after watching the displays lately which are full of players not trying.
I agree that you don’t become a bad manager in just three months.Like you say, he’s lost the dressing room and there’s no coming back from it.1 -
Going by his latest remarks, I think he may have also lost these.........................
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There is only one Chris I would want and it ain't Coleman
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There are two different skillsets in managing when things are going for you and managing when they are not. We have discovered that Bowyer doesn't possess the latter skills and he is not alone in this. But the fact can't be ignored.4
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