Post-match Thread: Plymouth Argyle v Charlton Athletic| Tue 20 April

Dazzler21 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ColinTat said:

Both JFC and Gilbey are able to press, win the ball, and more importantly not lose out goal side.  This has meant Watson's not always playing on top of our box, and you can see his quality more often than not taking the ball on the half turn.  Much better blend but against the better more physical teams Pratley should play.

I still think Albie's got a massive part to play, in that positionally he's much sharper than Millar or Jaiyesimi and he's the only one who looks to put in a cross first time which is crucial for Stockley against good teams.  Jaieysimi was very good last night but never seems to put in a first time cross.

Morgan is not a winger. If we're going to play 433 we can't afford to have someone like him playing wide. I'm generally a fan but I do feel people are very generous towards him because he's from the academy. He shouldn't be starting in this team. In fact, I wouldn't even have him on the bench. 

Very strange, he's our best passer of the ball, at worst he's equal to Shinnie in the passing stakes. 

I understand why he's struggling to get on the bench/on pitch at the moment. 

Shinnie is better in positioning, tackling and reading the game, so will be ahead of Morgan in the pecking order. 

I think Gilbey and JFC are in there on merit, but I still question the need for Watson or Pratley starting. Jake can do the job in front of the back four and has done it well several times this season. 

I'd suggest our best 18 for a 4-3-3 would be: 

Amos

Matthews - Inniss - Pearce - Purrington

Shinnie - F.Caskey - Gilbey

Jaiyesimi - Aneke - Millar

Subs: 
M.Brewer, Gunter/Oshilaja, Maatsen, Famewo, Morgan, Watson, Stockley

I know I have dropped Schwartz. It was typing this out that I began to realise that on the whole I agree with Adkins selections with only the Watson/Pratley as starting players questionable, but for both Bowyer and Adkins to regularly pick them, they obviously add more than most of us really see.

He is a decent passer and I still hope he has a decent future but he's massively inconsistent. He needs a loan for me, a regular run and build up some confidence and knowledge of the game. 

I don't mind your side but I do like having Pratley/Watson in the middle with JFC and Gilbey. The other one on the bench with Shinnie. I'd also definitely have Washington on the bench, could play out wide or up front if we went 2 up top. 

cafcfan1990 said:

Dazzler21 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ColinTat said:

Both JFC and Gilbey are able to press, win the ball, and more importantly not lose out goal side.  This has meant Watson's not always playing on top of our box, and you can see his quality more often than not taking the ball on the half turn.  Much better blend but against the better more physical teams Pratley should play.

I still think Albie's got a massive part to play, in that positionally he's much sharper than Millar or Jaiyesimi and he's the only one who looks to put in a cross first time which is crucial for Stockley against good teams.  Jaieysimi was very good last night but never seems to put in a first time cross.

Morgan is not a winger. If we're going to play 433 we can't afford to have someone like him playing wide. I'm generally a fan but I do feel people are very generous towards him because he's from the academy. He shouldn't be starting in this team. In fact, I wouldn't even have him on the bench. 

Very strange, he's our best passer of the ball, at worst he's equal to Shinnie in the passing stakes. 

I understand why he's struggling to get on the bench/on pitch at the moment. 

Shinnie is better in positioning, tackling and reading the game, so will be ahead of Morgan in the pecking order. 

I think Gilbey and JFC are in there on merit, but I still question the need for Watson or Pratley starting. Jake can do the job in front of the back four and has done it well several times this season. 

I'd suggest our best 18 for a 4-3-3 would be: 

Amos

Matthews - Inniss - Pearce - Purrington

Shinnie - F.Caskey - Gilbey

Jaiyesimi - Aneke - Millar

Subs: 
M.Brewer, Gunter/Oshilaja, Maatsen, Famewo, Morgan, Watson, Stockley

I know I have dropped Schwartz. It was typing this out that I began to realise that on the whole I agree with Adkins selections with only the Watson/Pratley as starting players questionable, but for both Bowyer and Adkins to regularly pick them, they obviously add more than most of us really see.

He is a decent passer and I still hope he has a decent future but he's massively inconsistent. He needs a loan for me, a regular run and build up some confidence and knowledge of the game. 

I don't mind your side but I do like having Pratley/Watson in the middle with JFC and Gilbey. The other one on the bench with Shinnie. I'd also definitely have Washington on the bench, could play out wide or up front if we went 2 up top. 

Very true I ignored the injured players, but seems most are back in contention. 

The bench is the hardest bit, who do you sacrifice for another forward option? for me it's either the Gunter/Oshilaja position or it's the Pratley/Watson alt. 

Morgan should have been allowed out on loan this season, maybe he drew no interest we know Bowyer said similar in the summer...

Dazzler21 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ColinTat said:

Both JFC and Gilbey are able to press, win the ball, and more importantly not lose out goal side.  This has meant Watson's not always playing on top of our box, and you can see his quality more often than not taking the ball on the half turn.  Much better blend but against the better more physical teams Pratley should play.

I still think Albie's got a massive part to play, in that positionally he's much sharper than Millar or Jaiyesimi and he's the only one who looks to put in a cross first time which is crucial for Stockley against good teams.  Jaieysimi was very good last night but never seems to put in a first time cross.

Morgan is not a winger. If we're going to play 433 we can't afford to have someone like him playing wide. I'm generally a fan but I do feel people are very generous towards him because he's from the academy. He shouldn't be starting in this team. In fact, I wouldn't even have him on the bench. 

Very strange, he's our best passer of the ball, at worst he's equal to Shinnie in the passing stakes. 

I understand why he's struggling to get on the bench/on pitch at the moment. 

Shinnie is better in positioning, tackling and reading the game, so will be ahead of Morgan in the pecking order. 

I think Gilbey and JFC are in there on merit, but I still question the need for Watson or Pratley starting. Jake can do the job in front of the back four and has done it well several times this season. 

I'd suggest our best 18 for a 4-3-3 would be: 

Amos

Matthews - Inniss - Pearce - Purrington

Shinnie - F.Caskey - Gilbey

Jaiyesimi - Aneke - Millar

Subs: 
M.Brewer, Gunter/Oshilaja, Maatsen, Famewo, Morgan, Watson, Stockley

I know I have dropped Schwartz. It was typing this out that I began to realise that on the whole I agree with Adkins selections with only the Watson/Pratley as starting players questionable, but for both Bowyer and Adkins to regularly pick them, they obviously add more than most of us really see.

 I don't really rate Watson but can't argue with his performance last night.

Agree JFC can do that role but it takes away from what he is good at. It will be Pratley or Watson in again and I'd be more than happy with that.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Washington coming back and if that changes our working formation.

OldRed51 said:

1StevieG said:

Sunderland please go up automatically....

I know it might sound crazy but if we beat Peterborough it's still possible for us to do it.

They will have 3 games and could fail to get the 2 points they might need.

.

esseffect said:

Dazzler21 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ColinTat said:

Both JFC and Gilbey are able to press, win the ball, and more importantly not lose out goal side.  This has meant Watson's not always playing on top of our box, and you can see his quality more often than not taking the ball on the half turn.  Much better blend but against the better more physical teams Pratley should play.

I still think Albie's got a massive part to play, in that positionally he's much sharper than Millar or Jaiyesimi and he's the only one who looks to put in a cross first time which is crucial for Stockley against good teams.  Jaieysimi was very good last night but never seems to put in a first time cross.

Morgan is not a winger. If we're going to play 433 we can't afford to have someone like him playing wide. I'm generally a fan but I do feel people are very generous towards him because he's from the academy. He shouldn't be starting in this team. In fact, I wouldn't even have him on the bench. 

Very strange, he's our best passer of the ball, at worst he's equal to Shinnie in the passing stakes. 

I understand why he's struggling to get on the bench/on pitch at the moment. 

Shinnie is better in positioning, tackling and reading the game, so will be ahead of Morgan in the pecking order. 

I think Gilbey and JFC are in there on merit, but I still question the need for Watson or Pratley starting. Jake can do the job in front of the back four and has done it well several times this season. 

I'd suggest our best 18 for a 4-3-3 would be: 

Amos

Matthews - Inniss - Pearce - Purrington

Shinnie - F.Caskey - Gilbey

Jaiyesimi - Aneke - Millar

Subs: 
M.Brewer, Gunter/Oshilaja, Maatsen, Famewo, Morgan, Watson, Stockley

I know I have dropped Schwartz. It was typing this out that I began to realise that on the whole I agree with Adkins selections with only the Watson/Pratley as starting players questionable, but for both Bowyer and Adkins to regularly pick them, they obviously add more than most of us really see.

 I don't really rate Watson but can't argue with his performance last night.

Agree JFC can do that role but it takes away from what he is good at. It will be Pratley or Watson in again and I'd be more than happy with that.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Washington coming back and if that changes our working formation.

I don't rate Watson either but agree he was better last night. Him and Pratley both look good in that limited holding role in a 3-man midfield, it doesn't ask so much of them. 

Asking them to play in a 2-man was crazy.

And asking them to play together in a 2-man... 

... ... ... ... ...

I think it’s a combination of NA’s innate positivity, a number coming back from injury at the same time generating a bit of competition for slots, some of the other teams finally having their own run of poor form that has contributed to the difference. Whatever it is it’s working, I’m grateful and appreciate the work the squad must be putting in to create nights like last night.

stoneroses19 said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Garrymanilow said:

Cloudworm said:

What does he do about Inniss for Saturday?

Straight back in, he's our best defender. The question is does he keep Pearce in for his excellent form or does he put in Famewo for the extra mobility against a very good Peterborough attack. It's a difficult one because Pearce has been so good recently, but Famewo might be the right choice up against a clever side

I thought Pearce had Clarke-Harris in his pocket when we went there, I'd play him and Inniss together

Same here. We know that Inniss and Famewo is the best CB partnership possible (when both are fully fit), but I think we should make the most of Pearce being on top form. 

To be honest, after the catastrophic injury record we’ve had for the last 2 seasons, it’s a wonderful conversation to be having where we have 3 quality CBs to choose from in starting line up. 

Wouldn't be upset with any combination of 2 of the 3 CBs mentioned. Feels a far cry from starting games with Gunter and Pratley at CB! 

This was the team in Adkin's first game I believe, against AFC:

• 13 Amos
• 2 Gunter
• 22 Maatsen
• 12 Shinnie
• 5 Famewo
• 6 Pearce
• 19 Morgan (Pratley)
• 8 Forster-Caskey
• 9 Stockley
• 14 Washington (Jaiyesimi) 5"
• 27 Millar (Aneke) 68

He's made his mind up with 5 players in that lineup now being 2nd choice in their respective position.

We definitely have some interesting dilemmas ahead if players are coming back, as we are talking about players who were our MOM's before being out the team due to injury. 

Washington, Maatsen, DJ, Millar fighting out for 2 places I would say? If all remain fit, this is exciting simply as it means that we can maintain the pressing game for 90 minutes using 5 subs too. 

ct_addick said:

Chunes said:

esseffect said:

Dazzler21 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ColinTat said:

Both JFC and Gilbey are able to press, win the ball, and more importantly not lose out goal side.  This has meant Watson's not always playing on top of our box, and you can see his quality more often than not taking the ball on the half turn.  Much better blend but against the better more physical teams Pratley should play.

I still think Albie's got a massive part to play, in that positionally he's much sharper than Millar or Jaiyesimi and he's the only one who looks to put in a cross first time which is crucial for Stockley against good teams.  Jaieysimi was very good last night but never seems to put in a first time cross.

Morgan is not a winger. If we're going to play 433 we can't afford to have someone like him playing wide. I'm generally a fan but I do feel people are very generous towards him because he's from the academy. He shouldn't be starting in this team. In fact, I wouldn't even have him on the bench. 

Very strange, he's our best passer of the ball, at worst he's equal to Shinnie in the passing stakes. 

I understand why he's struggling to get on the bench/on pitch at the moment. 

Shinnie is better in positioning, tackling and reading the game, so will be ahead of Morgan in the pecking order. 

I think Gilbey and JFC are in there on merit, but I still question the need for Watson or Pratley starting. Jake can do the job in front of the back four and has done it well several times this season. 

I'd suggest our best 18 for a 4-3-3 would be: 

Amos

Matthews - Inniss - Pearce - Purrington

Shinnie - F.Caskey - Gilbey

Jaiyesimi - Aneke - Millar

Subs: 
M.Brewer, Gunter/Oshilaja, Maatsen, Famewo, Morgan, Watson, Stockley

I know I have dropped Schwartz. It was typing this out that I began to realise that on the whole I agree with Adkins selections with only the Watson/Pratley as starting players questionable, but for both Bowyer and Adkins to regularly pick them, they obviously add more than most of us really see.

 I don't really rate Watson but can't argue with his performance last night.

Agree JFC can do that role but it takes away from what he is good at. It will be Pratley or Watson in again and I'd be more than happy with that.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Washington coming back and if that changes our working formation.

I don't rate Watson either but agree he was better last night. Him and Pratley both look good in that limited holding role in a 3-man midfield, it doesn't ask so much of them. 

Asking them to play in a 2-man was crazy.

And asking them to play together in a 2-man... 

... ... ... ... ...

Watson a much better passer than Pratley. Agree can't play them together. Bit like Gerard and Lampard for England although it is league one !

yet Pratley set up Chuks goal with a neat deft chip and then a great through ball for Chuks to miss what would have been a record breaking one on one.

Chunes said:

esseffect said:

Dazzler21 said:

cafcfan1990 said:

ColinTat said:

Both JFC and Gilbey are able to press, win the ball, and more importantly not lose out goal side.  This has meant Watson's not always playing on top of our box, and you can see his quality more often than not taking the ball on the half turn.  Much better blend but against the better more physical teams Pratley should play.

I still think Albie's got a massive part to play, in that positionally he's much sharper than Millar or Jaiyesimi and he's the only one who looks to put in a cross first time which is crucial for Stockley against good teams.  Jaieysimi was very good last night but never seems to put in a first time cross.

Morgan is not a winger. If we're going to play 433 we can't afford to have someone like him playing wide. I'm generally a fan but I do feel people are very generous towards him because he's from the academy. He shouldn't be starting in this team. In fact, I wouldn't even have him on the bench. 

Very strange, he's our best passer of the ball, at worst he's equal to Shinnie in the passing stakes. 

I understand why he's struggling to get on the bench/on pitch at the moment. 

Shinnie is better in positioning, tackling and reading the game, so will be ahead of Morgan in the pecking order. 

I think Gilbey and JFC are in there on merit, but I still question the need for Watson or Pratley starting. Jake can do the job in front of the back four and has done it well several times this season. 

I'd suggest our best 18 for a 4-3-3 would be: 

Amos

Matthews - Inniss - Pearce - Purrington

Shinnie - F.Caskey - Gilbey

Jaiyesimi - Aneke - Millar

Subs: 
M.Brewer, Gunter/Oshilaja, Maatsen, Famewo, Morgan, Watson, Stockley

I know I have dropped Schwartz. It was typing this out that I began to realise that on the whole I agree with Adkins selections with only the Watson/Pratley as starting players questionable, but for both Bowyer and Adkins to regularly pick them, they obviously add more than most of us really see.

 I don't really rate Watson but can't argue with his performance last night.

Agree JFC can do that role but it takes away from what he is good at. It will be Pratley or Watson in again and I'd be more than happy with that.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Washington coming back and if that changes our working formation.

I don't rate Watson either but agree he was better last night. Him and Pratley both look good in that limited holding role in a 3-man midfield, it doesn't ask so much of them. 

Asking them to play in a 2-man was crazy.

And asking them to play together in a 2-man... 

... ... ... ... ...

Worked more often than not. (Once again we have to ignore the ridiculous defensive pairing for the wins).

Games where Pratley & Watson were both started in midfield - 5

Results: 
Wigan 1-0 
Blackpool 1-0 
Oxford 2-0
Shrewsbury 1-1
Shrewsbury 1-1

Early doors it felt like we were in line for a shoeing
Amos made a good save to keep it nil - nil.

Question: how is deliberate handball on the goal line attempting to stop the ball going in not a straight red card? I know Watts was unsuccessful but he's still a cheat, when I saw the ref reaching for his pocket I thought, he's off.  No harm done, fortunately.  Would have saved Watts from the humiliation of his own goal too.

I missed how it happened but Aimson's early departure was a turning point - his replacement, Moore, and the revised shape didn't work for the pilgrims at all.
Really pleasing how we then tore Plymouth a new one.
The cohesion was lost with the rash of substitutions, understandably, until late on Pratley laid 2 splendid chances on a golden plate for Chuks, who squandered one - indicating perfectly how  his time with Charlton won't extend if we get promoted.

I never took to Ben Reeves and seeing him huff and puff around the park to no discernible impact put the cherry on top of a sweet sweet evening.

killerandflash said:

Oggy Red said:

killerandflash said:

For those of you who like listening to angry and dejected opposition managers 

I 100% agree with Lowe that Plymouth were really soft, both physically and mentally. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpcsAmUeVXU&t=7s

Something rotten in the state of Denmark  Plymouth.

I get that their manager is gutted that they lost, conceding 6 goals.
But ...... nearly every word he uttered implied a divide between him and the players.

Sounds like you've lost the dressing room there, mate. 

It was a bit reminiscent of Paul Cook slagging off his Ipswich players, and not just because they're both scousers!

Let's hope he gets the right reaction from their players in their game against Oxford on Saturday.

For what it's worth, I thought Argyle moved the ball around well last night.
Ourselves though, we were so much better in both boxes.

Dazzler21 said:

Oggy Red said:

jonno said:

Dazzler21 said:

Did we really only get one foul committed on us in 90+ mins? That must be very rare.

It's because it's wrong. Argyle gave away several fouls, others went unpunished - although I thought they invariably tried to play the right way.

Here's another source

And another 

They are all syndicated from the same source, Press Association.

If any statistic to them is reported wrongly or inaccurately formatted, then too bad ....... it's published all round the world, regardless.