cantersaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

cantersaddick said:

bobmunro said:

Southbank said:

2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap.
2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract  the EU etc from  trying to cut our supply.

It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.

Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.

End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.

Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses. 

I disagree. If we have a pretty free summer with most things open, cases and deaths low, then I'm pretty sure inertia will set in. People won't see the need to go for the 2nd dose or will just be too lazy or busy enjoying the freedom. I suspect there will be issues persuading the under 40s in August- October.

Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.

Todds_right_hook said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

cantersaddick said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

cantersaddick said:

bobmunro said:

Southbank said:

2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap.
2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract  the EU etc from  trying to cut our supply.

It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.

Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.

End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.

Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses. 

I disagree. If we have a pretty free summer with most things open, cases and deaths low, then I'm pretty sure inertia will set in. People won't see the need to go for the 2nd dose or will just be too lazy or busy enjoying the freedom. I suspect there will be issues persuading the under 40s in August- October.

Either way making vaccine passports based on just one dose sends completely the wrong message.

Agree that to achieve a passport full vaccination must happen but I’m not convinced that the under 40’s will decline to be vaccinated in great numbers. I think there might be an issue with the 18 - 30’s based on them not seeing Covid as a threat to them personally. I think the passport is an excellent carrot though.

The carrot needs to be dangled. In December, I knew of a handful of people in their 40’s adamant that they wouldn’t take the vaccine. 

All have now changed their mind and have had or will have it, so that they can go on holiday. The success of the programme may have something to do with it, but mainly, the dangled carrot of a holiday did the trick

Arsenetatters said:

Well after yesterday’s 2nd dose I’ve not got any arm pain (didn’t for the first jab) but I did have a bit of a hot then cold night. I’m exaggerating the extent of the side effects to Mr Tatters and an enjoying the first lie in I’ve had since the first jab while he gets the chickens up.

Covid-19: Vaccine rollout in England extends to 44-year-olds

ShootersHillGuru said:

cantersaddick said:

bobmunro said:

Southbank said:

2 observations ( not based on any inside knowledge). 1 There seems to be increasing evidence that the vaccines are incredibly succesful at stopping both infection and contagion. But the Government is loath to bang the drum as they think we will all go wild and party if we know that. I think that it would be better to bang the drum in order to convince everybody to get vaccinated asap.
2 They must have much more vaccine in stock than they have let on. April was supposed to be the slowdown month but half a million people have been vaccinated virtually every day. I expect this subterfuge was to distract  the EU etc from  trying to cut our supply.

It did slow down in the first half of April but is now ramping up.

Once everyone (end of July, maybe earlier) has been offered the vaccine then, and only then, they can introduce vaccine passports - that will be the best recruiting sergeant for almost full vaccine take-up.

End of October. Vaccine passports can only be based on both doses otherwise there is no incentive to get the 2nd dose and get full protection.

Surely that’s only true of vaccine sceptics. I or pretty much anyone I know doesn’t need an incentive of any kind in order two have both doses. 

Arsenetatters said:

BalladMan said:

Arsenetatters said:

BalladMan said:

Arsenetatters said:

BalladMan said:

Valley27000 said:

When will they start the under 45's?.

I am 42 and got the notification from my GP yesterday, so its ramping up now.

Whereabouts are you based? I have a friend who is 43 with asthma who is hoping to get one in Swanley ASAP.

New Eltham, but doctors in Greenwich. It does seem Greenwich is slightly ahead of Kent borders based on anecdotal evidence.  

I would suggest to keep trying this site daily in order as it might offer a slightly earlier view (depending on area) https://www.nhs.uk/book-a-coronavirus-vaccination/do-you-have-an-nhs-number. 

I presume your friend has spoken to GP as some of my family got it earlier (under 40s) due to chronic Asthma.

Thanks - I'll get her onto it. She was meant to have one a while back but her doc said that although she'd been to hospital last year with an asthma attack she hadn't had to stay in overnight so didn't qualify!

Sorry to hear that about your friend.  I am pretty certain the vast majority of over 40s will be done by mid-May to keep the timeline of end July, so not long to wait worst case. 

My mate (43) tried the online booking and it let her book for this Friday. Very pleased for her. I think it was @suzisausage that suggested it might work as well. Thanks both!

redashdave said:

AddicksAddict said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

AddicksAddict said:

An acquaintance's son is doing research at one of our top universities into the effects of the vaccines.  People who've had the two jabs with a four week gap, as originally planned, now have only 30% antibodies compared to what they had after the vaccines had kicked in to full effect.  If the twelve week gap jabs replicate this, there will be a big surge in cases around September.  So, book your holidays for August.

To give you an idea of how good the group is he's working in at his uni, they predicted pretty much everything that happened from last June onwards once the Government laid out the restrictions or lack of them.

Could you please provide a link to the data or if not at least which university this research is being conducted so I can have a look see. This is the most significant comment I have seen for weeks so would really like to dig into this. Seems to go against the published data so far ? 

@ShootersHillGuru
@bobmunro
@cantersaddick

I can't provide a link to the published results because, as far as I'm aware, it hasn't been published yet.

I can't tell you the university because, again as far as I'm aware, the information is confidential and I don't want to drop the bloke in the mire.

As I was told it, antibody levels are down to 30%.  Of course, that may have got garbled in the telling as it is third-hand by the time it gets to me.

Perhaps you should start an idle gossip thread

cafcnick1992 said:

I mean there's no need for a second vaccine if you've already had Covid.

cafcnick1992 said:

I mean there's no need for a second vaccine if you've already had Covid.

ShootersHillGuru said:

cafcnick1992 said:

I mean there's no need for a second vaccine if you've already had Covid.

I’m sure you’re trolling with this comment. Either that or 16 months into a pandemic and you’ve actually understood nothing. 

AddicksAddict said:

redashdave said:

AddicksAddict said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

AddicksAddict said:

An acquaintance's son is doing research at one of our top universities into the effects of the vaccines.  People who've had the two jabs with a four week gap, as originally planned, now have only 30% antibodies compared to what they had after the vaccines had kicked in to full effect.  If the twelve week gap jabs replicate this, there will be a big surge in cases around September.  So, book your holidays for August.

To give you an idea of how good the group is he's working in at his uni, they predicted pretty much everything that happened from last June onwards once the Government laid out the restrictions or lack of them.

Could you please provide a link to the data or if not at least which university this research is being conducted so I can have a look see. This is the most significant comment I have seen for weeks so would really like to dig into this. Seems to go against the published data so far ? 

@ShootersHillGuru
@bobmunro
@cantersaddick

I can't provide a link to the published results because, as far as I'm aware, it hasn't been published yet.

I can't tell you the university because, again as far as I'm aware, the information is confidential and I don't want to drop the bloke in the mire.

As I was told it, antibody levels are down to 30%.  Of course, that may have got garbled in the telling as it is third-hand by the time it gets to me.

Perhaps you should start an idle gossip thread

If it was idle gossip, I wouldn’t have posted it. 

killerandflash said:

You need 2 jabs to do the job properly

Left hook followed by the uppercut