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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,553
    WSS said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.
    And you're blaming the comms team for that?

    Chats happened on Tuesday, I can imagine in some cases reduced terms were offered and players were given a couple of days to decide whether to accept or not.
    and I'm guessing when announced it will be that some have been offered deals but are considering their options.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    LargeAddick said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.

    the season only finished five days ago, I suppose we should have announced it by midday Monday, discussions held in the dressing room after the match.

    And we didn't know what division we would be in until Sunday, most other clubs basically knew weeks in advance.

    Nah we should have told them weeks ago and potentially been in the play offs with 5 or 6 players knowing they would be unemployed either way.  I am sure that would have been a great idea.

    Or not 
  • Addickhead86
    Addickhead86 Posts: 1,148
    Lest we forget, we didn't know which division we would be in next year until 2pm on Sunday. Teams that had their status known could obviously deal with contracts earlier. 
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,159
    Maccn05 said:
    The club are looking a bit silly this week, all the players breaking rank and confirming their exits. 

    Our comms team has always been a weak link in the club. Slow to react and normally we find things out on here or in the press first
    Bit harsh to call them a weak link. Conversations can be ongoing regarding contracts and if you have a set date you're planning to announce your released list then you will stick to it. Obviously these players have had conversations where they've been told they're off, and they've then chosen to take the release of information into their own hands. They aren't supposed to, but I guess if you've just been told you're out of a job you aren't particularly beholden to your former employer's wishes. You will always hear things here or in the media first because there's a big difference between a leak and a press release. It happens at every single football club in the world, I can't think of a manager sacking or any transfer above non-league level that hasn't been reported on before it's officially done. Do you really think the club looks silly because Deji went on his personal Twitter - having played zero games for the new manager - before there was an official announcement?
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,483
    edited May 2021
    J BLOCK said:
    Maccn05 said:
    The club are looking a bit silly this week, all the players breaking rank and confirming their exits. 

    Our comms team has always been a weak link in the club. Slow to react and normally we find things out on here or in the press first
    Not really, who cares whether the club release it first or not. It's pretty minor. 
    Agree, doesn't really matter, can't blame the players, they are just getting themselves into the shop window asap, instead of waiting for the club to eventually announce the list.
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,678
    WSS said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.
    And you're blaming the comms team for that?

    Chats happened on Tuesday, I can imagine in some cases reduced terms were offered and players were given a couple of days to decide whether to accept or not.

    And others were just told to jog. It's not a one-size-fits-all approach.
    The comms team shouldn’t be criticising the players for announcing it before the club.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,343
    flyingkiwiDK said:
    charlton_hero said:
    Maccn05 said:
    Jordan Graham - released by Gills, another winger we were linked with in Jan. 

    Had a great season and was really highly rated by Wolves as a youngster but plagued by injuries, could be worth a punt on a free.
    Connor Ogilvie & Jack Bonham have also turned down their contract offers from the Gills, meaning they are now free agents.
    How about Vadaine Oliver? He had a great season for the Gills.
    So are we planning on signing up the Gills side that finished below us, despite people criticising our own players?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,836
    SELR_addicks said:
    Liam Walsh being released by Bristol City. Only 23 years old. 

    Defensive midfielder so would be a good replacement for Pratley. 
    Been out injured for much of the season...
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,664
    killerandflash said:
    SELR_addicks said:
    Liam Walsh being released by Bristol City. Only 23 years old. 

    Defensive midfielder so would be a good replacement for Pratley. 
    Been out injured for much of the season...
    Should fit in perfectly then
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,442
    Seems to be the only injury he's had in his career though, played a decent amount the year before. 
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  • LonelyNorthernAddick
    LonelyNorthernAddick Posts: 2,421
    WSS said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.
    And you're blaming the comms team for that?

    Chats happened on Tuesday, I can imagine in some cases reduced terms were offered and players were given a couple of days to decide whether to accept or not.

    And others were just told to jog. It's not a one-size-fits-all approach.
    There's possibly some players who are still discussing/weighing up options/wage wrangling, with the management so need to wait for it all to be fully nailed down for those with contracts ending before they can release a full official list. 
  • Maccn05
    Maccn05 Posts: 967
    LargeAddick said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.

    the season only finished five days ago, I suppose we should have announced it by midday Monday, discussions held in the dressing room after the match.

    And we didn't know what division we would be in until Sunday, most other clubs basically knew weeks in advance.

    Not sure the sarcasm is needed there.

    But my comment seems to have riled a few. so to explain my position

    I work in a company where social media and comms are very important in us dealing with a HUGE  fickle, emotional community so everything is very well planned and timely, if these types of leaks occurred or if we're slow to react then it would be really bad news... so maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to the subject

    I also have numerous confidentiality clauses in my employment contract so I'd not be able to do what the players have done - i'm technically they are still employed until June 30th
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    LonelyNorthernAddick said:
    WSS said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.
    And you're blaming the comms team for that?

    Chats happened on Tuesday, I can imagine in some cases reduced terms were offered and players were given a couple of days to decide whether to accept or not.

    And others were just told to jog. It's not a one-size-fits-all approach.
    There's possibly some players who are still discussing/weighing up options/wage wrangling, with the management so need to wait for it all to be fully nailed down for those with contracts ending before they can release a full official list. 
    The 2 boarder line players Amos and Matthews haven't had anything significant leaked. 
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    It’s hopefully fair to assume we are trying to cherry pick the best of our division 1st when recruiting. Without listing there were quite a few sides below us that had standout performances to our misfortune. For example a couple of the Crewe players ran rings around us, as mentioned before. I’m quite excited to see what team gets built.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,495
    paulfox said:
    It’s hopefully fair to assume we are trying to cherry pick the best of our division 1st when recruiting. Without listing there were quite a few sides below us that had standout performances to our misfortune. For example a couple of the Crewe players ran rings around us, as mentioned before. I’m quite excited to see what team gets built.
    We see these players at other clubs two games a season if we are lucky .. just because they have one good game against us don’t mean there excellent players and should be signed 
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    edited May 2021
    RonnieMoore said:
    paulfox said:
    It’s hopefully fair to assume we are trying to cherry pick the best of our division 1st when recruiting. Without listing there were quite a few sides below us that had standout performances to our misfortune. For example a couple of the Crewe players ran rings around us, as mentioned before. I’m quite excited to see what team gets built.
    We see these players at other clubs two games a season if we are lucky .. just because they have one good game against us don’t mean there excellent players and should be signed 
    Yes absolutely, but that’s why we have scouts. Are you suggesting they only play well against us?😜
    I was attempting to be positive about our recruitment, nothing else.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    RonnieMoore said:
    paulfox said:
    It’s hopefully fair to assume we are trying to cherry pick the best of our division 1st when recruiting. Without listing there were quite a few sides below us that had standout performances to our misfortune. For example a couple of the Crewe players ran rings around us, as mentioned before. I’m quite excited to see what team gets built.
    We see these players at other clubs two games a season if we are lucky .. just because they have one good game against us don’t mean there excellent players and should be signed 
    No but one would hope who ever does do the signing has watched, or had them watched, more than twice. 
  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,725
    @Dazzler21 I will take my first green slot now :)
  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,063
    Maccn05 said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.

    the season only finished five days ago, I suppose we should have announced it by midday Monday, discussions held in the dressing room after the match.

    And we didn't know what division we would be in until Sunday, most other clubs basically knew weeks in advance.

    Not sure the sarcasm is needed there.

    But my comment seems to have riled a few. so to explain my position

    I work in a company where social media and comms are very important in us dealing with a HUGE  fickle, emotional community so everything is very well planned and timely, if these types of leaks occurred or if we're slow to react then it would be really bad news... so maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to the subject

    I also have numerous confidentiality clauses in my employment contract so I'd not be able to do what the players have done - i'm technically they are still employed until June 30th
    So you ARE part of the Charlton comms team then?
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,518
    Blimey, came on here for some juicy rumours, was not expecting the sniping, nor digging out of the comms team. How naive of me...

    For what it is worth, I would not blame the comms team one iota. Comms are not an independent unit that can do as they please, they will report to an executive who will either be party to or in communication with those who are conducting exit conversations or contractual renewals. I would hope that a well rounded comms update will come either later today or early next week if they are awaiting responses from one or more players offered new contracts.

    Amos, Matthews, Aneke, Pearce etc all may be in talks and with so many leaving a real sweetener would be a new player announcement at the same time, but probably too much to wish for.
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  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,877
    WSS said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.
    And you're blaming the comms team for that?

    Chats happened on Tuesday, I can imagine in some cases reduced terms were offered and players were given a couple of days to decide whether to accept or not.

    And others were just told to jog. It's not a one-size-fits-all approach.
    Agreed. We live in a social media age where players are going to post updates. Nothing to do with the club and it’s not making the club look silly.
  • Maccn05
    Maccn05 Posts: 967
    AllHailTheHen said:
    Maccn05 said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Maccn05 said:
    But it doesn't seem to be the same at other clubs does it... strange how everyone is doing their own thing here. We must be one of the last clubs to confirm their list.

    the season only finished five days ago, I suppose we should have announced it by midday Monday, discussions held in the dressing room after the match.

    And we didn't know what division we would be in until Sunday, most other clubs basically knew weeks in advance.

    Not sure the sarcasm is needed there.

    But my comment seems to have riled a few. so to explain my position

    I work in a company where social media and comms are very important in us dealing with a HUGE  fickle, emotional community so everything is very well planned and timely, if these types of leaks occurred or if we're slow to react then it would be really bad news... so maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to the subject

    I also have numerous confidentiality clauses in my employment contract so I'd not be able to do what the players have done - i'm technically they are still employed until June 30th
    So you ARE part of the Charlton comms team then?
    Well our community is hundreds of millions so it’s a tiny bit bigger ... but in other aspects exactly the same 🤣

    not digging out the social or Comms team specifically more the club as a whole not being proactive. The comms team are just the public face of it 👍🏼
  • stop_shouting
    stop_shouting Posts: 3,678
    Pavoren007 said:
    Blimey, came on here for some juicy rumours, was not expecting the sniping, nor digging out of the comms team. How naive of me...

    For what it is worth, I would not blame the comms team one iota. Comms are not an independent unit that can do as they please, they will report to an executive who will either be party to or in communication with those who are conducting exit conversations or contractual renewals. I would hope that a well rounded comms update will come either later today or early next week if they are awaiting responses from one or more players offered new contracts.

    Amos, Matthews, Aneke, Pearce etc all may be in talks and with so many leaving a real sweetener would be a new player announcement at the same time, but probably too much to wish for.
    Agreed. The comms team aren’t independent from the club and when a representative of the club is on twitter having a dig at employees, that said club have just made redundant, it didn’t sit well with me. That is all.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,836
    Bristol City having a big clear out


  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,210
    Would absolutely go for Hakeeb Adelakun.

    Pacey forward either side of Stockley, what Adkins wanted.  Did well for Hull this season until Bristol City recalled him.  24 and from London.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,344
    edited May 2021
    killerandflash said:
    Bristol City having a big clear out


    Was just about to post this, they have released some seriously decent players from what I remember, particularly Baker, Adelakun & Famara
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,288
    Would be interested in Adelakun did well with Scunthorpe at this level in 2017/18

    Watkins and Rowe too, but didnt realise they were both 30 and over so a bit too old
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,194
    stop_shouting said:
    LargeAddick said:
    Leeds_Addick said:
    chev said:

    Why is the club still not saying anything? So weird
    as the Club (Olly Groome) said yesterday they have to follow protocol and issue one retained list, they said it's a shame players have individually jumped the gun but that's their choice.
    I don’t blame the players one iota for announcing their departures. They are essentially now unemployed and want to put themselves in the shop window immediately. Why should they wait for some retained list to be released before confirming it. The comms team need to be a bit more proactive and less reactive with this sort of thing. 
    I don’t agree, but thank you for saying ‘reactive’ instead of ‘reactionary’. 10 points to Gryffindor. 
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Some decent players on that list, Famara Diédhiou cost them about 5mil and has a 1 in 3 record at Champ level.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,194
    killerandflash said:
    Bristol City having a big clear out


    Henri Lansbury has almost completed his journey to old clogger who wanders around the middle of the pitch kicking people. 
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