Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

Richard J said:

Olly Lee (Robert's son) has signed on permanently at Gillingham .

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

Richard J said:

Olly Lee (Robert's son) has signed on permanently at Gillingham .

Oh Lord no. That guarantees Rob Lee will be the guest on Charlton TV when we play them next year.

The only player who appeared on there all last season that I didn't feel showed any real feeling for us and certainly the only player who guested that I felt no real warmth towards.

RonnieMoore said:

Nigel Adkins was in town today .... 

Fortune 82nd Minute said:

Richard J said:

Olly Lee (Robert's son) has signed on permanently at Gillingham .

Oh Lord no. That guarantees Rob Lee will be the guest on Charlton TV when we play them next year.

The only player who appeared on there all last season that I didn't feel showed any real feeling for us and certainly the only player who guested that I felt no real warmth towards.

Billy_Mix said:

LargeAddick said:

Henry Irving said:

LargeAddick said:

Henry Irving said:

RedRobin said:

Cousins will no doubt end up at Luton as Jones took him to Stoke and was his coach in our academy. Move on guys! 

To team up at Luton with Joe Pigott, strangely a former player who doesn't draw the same "we must never sign old players" reaction

in my opinion Piggott played once or twice for us, was released and has gone elsewhere, scored goals and shown he is good enough for the Championship, is young, fit and hungry. Cousins has gone elsewhere, not pulled up any trees, not really progressed and has missed a lot of games through injury. I'd take Piggott back but not Cousins.

But PIggot is a former player so can't be re-signed on your "never go back" principal.

Or are you now saying we should sign players who improve the team, regardless of whether they played for us before?

I'm not saying never sign players who have played for you before but in my opinion it's never as good second time around. In my opinion there is a difference too between Piggott and Cousins, I'd have the former back but not the latter. Just my opinion, which is what I thought this forum was for.

Jason Euell was a shadow of his former self when he returned in 2011 but was an able squad player for 3rd division football in that title winning season and his time with us since then has been worthwhile, hasn't it?

Henry Irving said:

https://twitter.com/bromleyfc/status/1400104929449086989?s=20

another local lad we've missed out on

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

I hate the way football fans talk about footballers sometimes. Imagine being some bloke who would be given the run around by the under 14s sitting at their laptop and confidently saying a professional footballer playing in the first or second division is 'dogshit' or 'dreadful' with 'no footballing brain'. What a weird life. I wonder if they heckle window cleaners and dentists as well

Do what?

So unless we are better than a footballer we can never describe one negatively?

Not sure where you're getting that from as that's not what I said. Sure people can be negative about footballers, the way some talk about them is ridiculous though. Saying that people who make a good living out of football are 'shit' footballers is just needlessly unpleasant and makes that person look a bit thick. Of course that player isn't shit, if he was no-one would pay him thousands of pounds a week. Just makes me wonder if those people are also going round screaming at the people who work at Sainsbury's if they're too slow at the till or leave abusive reviews on Twitter for films they didn't enjoy watching. It's weird that some fans don't seem to have any ability to talk about footballers in a balanced way. It makes Twitter a cesspit.

But I think cousins is shit, I could explain why and use a few big words if I wanted but I didn’t on this occasion.  Perhaps try not getting so offended by a difference of opinion on something so irrelevant, it’s not like I’ve said this to cousins directly, that I don’t like, but this is the perfect place to express your opinions. 

He's not shit though, he's a professional footballer who is paid to play football. I'm shit at football, but that's why I never got past Sunday League and no-one will ever pay me to attempt it at any level. Calling a player who has played over 200 games in the Championship shit is just silly. That's sort of the point I'm making, it's not that the words are scary and upsetting, it's that they're ridiculous. It's not big words you need to use, it's a bit of awareness of scale.

Well when I say he’s shit who do think I’m comparing him to??  Players that might win us this league or the man in the street?? Absolutely staggering that needs explaining.

So your point is that you can call Cousins shit (but not to his face, you wouldn't do that, just on message boards) as long as you're comparing him to, say, Kante? My original point, and still my point, was that the way some people talk about footballers is stupid and unpleasant, calling a professional shit at their job because you don't think they're good enough for your team or you'd rather have someone else is a bit sad really. It doesn't matter who you're comparing him to. That's always been my point. I think we're just going to be going round in circles here though.

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

I hate the way football fans talk about footballers sometimes. Imagine being some bloke who would be given the run around by the under 14s sitting at their laptop and confidently saying a professional footballer playing in the first or second division is 'dogshit' or 'dreadful' with 'no footballing brain'. What a weird life. I wonder if they heckle window cleaners and dentists as well

Do what?

So unless we are better than a footballer we can never describe one negatively?

Not sure where you're getting that from as that's not what I said. Sure people can be negative about footballers, the way some talk about them is ridiculous though. Saying that people who make a good living out of football are 'shit' footballers is just needlessly unpleasant and makes that person look a bit thick. Of course that player isn't shit, if he was no-one would pay him thousands of pounds a week. Just makes me wonder if those people are also going round screaming at the people who work at Sainsbury's if they're too slow at the till or leave abusive reviews on Twitter for films they didn't enjoy watching. It's weird that some fans don't seem to have any ability to talk about footballers in a balanced way. It makes Twitter a cesspit.

But I think cousins is shit, I could explain why and use a few big words if I wanted but I didn’t on this occasion.  Perhaps try not getting so offended by a difference of opinion on something so irrelevant, it’s not like I’ve said this to cousins directly, that I don’t like, but this is the perfect place to express your opinions. 

He's not shit though, he's a professional footballer who is paid to play football. I'm shit at football, but that's why I never got past Sunday League and no-one will ever pay me to attempt it at any level. Calling a player who has played over 200 games in the Championship shit is just silly. That's sort of the point I'm making, it's not that the words are scary and upsetting, it's that they're ridiculous. It's not big words you need to use, it's a bit of awareness of scale.

Well when I say he’s shit who do think I’m comparing him to??  Players that might win us this league or the man in the street?? Absolutely staggering that needs explaining.

So your point is that you can call Cousins shit (but not to his face, you wouldn't do that, just on message boards) as long as you're comparing him to, say, Kante? My original point, and still my point, was that the way some people talk about footballers is stupid and unpleasant, calling a professional shit at their job because you don't think they're good enough for your team or you'd rather have someone else is a bit sad really. It doesn't matter who you're comparing him to. That's always been my point. I think we're just going to be going round in circles here though.

Yes, exactly that, I can say Cousins is shit on a football forum.  To his face, no, because it isn’t very nice.  Unless he reads charlton life to which I apologise JC.

Nope, not comparing to Kante, you know this of course because I literally just said against players who might win you this league.

So if saying cousins is shit, is not very nice even when he can’t see or hear it, my view is that you’re a tad sensitive for football forums.

dwb said:

A Millwall supporting friend had just told me that Lyle Taylor may be joining them on loan!

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

BR7_addick said:

Garrymanilow said:

I hate the way football fans talk about footballers sometimes. Imagine being some bloke who would be given the run around by the under 14s sitting at their laptop and confidently saying a professional footballer playing in the first or second division is 'dogshit' or 'dreadful' with 'no footballing brain'. What a weird life. I wonder if they heckle window cleaners and dentists as well

Do what?

So unless we are better than a footballer we can never describe one negatively?

Not sure where you're getting that from as that's not what I said. Sure people can be negative about footballers, the way some talk about them is ridiculous though. Saying that people who make a good living out of football are 'shit' footballers is just needlessly unpleasant and makes that person look a bit thick. Of course that player isn't shit, if he was no-one would pay him thousands of pounds a week. Just makes me wonder if those people are also going round screaming at the people who work at Sainsbury's if they're too slow at the till or leave abusive reviews on Twitter for films they didn't enjoy watching. It's weird that some fans don't seem to have any ability to talk about footballers in a balanced way. It makes Twitter a cesspit.

But I think cousins is shit, I could explain why and use a few big words if I wanted but I didn’t on this occasion.  Perhaps try not getting so offended by a difference of opinion on something so irrelevant, it’s not like I’ve said this to cousins directly, that I don’t like, but this is the perfect place to express your opinions. 

He's not shit though, he's a professional footballer who is paid to play football. I'm shit at football, but that's why I never got past Sunday League and no-one will ever pay me to attempt it at any level. Calling a player who has played over 200 games in the Championship shit is just silly. That's sort of the point I'm making, it's not that the words are scary and upsetting, it's that they're ridiculous. It's not big words you need to use, it's a bit of awareness of scale.

Well when I say he’s shit who do think I’m comparing him to??  Players that might win us this league or the man in the street?? Absolutely staggering that needs explaining.

So your point is that you can call Cousins shit (but not to his face, you wouldn't do that, just on message boards) as long as you're comparing him to, say, Kante? My original point, and still my point, was that the way some people talk about footballers is stupid and unpleasant, calling a professional shit at their job because you don't think they're good enough for your team or you'd rather have someone else is a bit sad really. It doesn't matter who you're comparing him to. That's always been my point. I think we're just going to be going round in circles here though.

Yes, exactly that, I can say Cousins is shit on a football forum.  To his face, no, because it isn’t very nice.  Unless he reads charlton life to which I apologise JC.

Nope, not comparing to Kante, you know this of course because I literally just said against players who might win you this league.

So if saying cousins is shit, is not very nice even when he can’t see or hear it, my view is that you’re a tad sensitive for football forums.

As I said, round in circles. While I agree with you that saying that about players isn't very nice, and quite cowardly if you're willing to do it sat behind your keyboard but nowhere else, the overall point is it's also stupid, because it's wrong. He's a professional footballer who you think is 'shit' despite actual football employers disagreeing. You're wrong. But never mind, this feels a bit like I'm trying to explain house prices to a bowl of soup. We'll move on.

Swisdom said:

Just my tuppence worth - I'm not a massive fan of Pigott.  I think he did well at Wimbledon as he was a bigger fish in a smaller pond.  Not sure he will cut it at a bigger club to be honest.  Time will tell I guess.

As for Cousins - I'd definitely get him in for a trial.  His engine was excellent and whilst he was limited on the ball he is probably better than Pratley technically and more mobile than both he and Watson.  He always said he'd like to return and I would like us to at least make contact.  He should be fresh having not played a vast amount in the last few seasons and he should be in his prime at 27.  He is also able to operate in a few positions.

As Curbs always used to say he wanted players that were "Hungry and angry" and I wonder if Jordan fits into that mould...

Cafc43v3r said:

Swisdom said:

Just my tuppence worth - I'm not a massive fan of Pigott.  I think he did well at Wimbledon as he was a bigger fish in a smaller pond.  Not sure he will cut it at a bigger club to be honest.  Time will tell I guess.

As for Cousins - I'd definitely get him in for a trial.  His engine was excellent and whilst he was limited on the ball he is probably better than Pratley technically and more mobile than both he and Watson.  He always said he'd like to return and I would like us to at least make contact.  He should be fresh having not played a vast amount in the last few seasons and he should be in his prime at 27.  He is also able to operate in a few positions.

As Curbs always used to say he wanted players that were "Hungry and angry" and I wonder if Jordan fits into that mould...

Why the hell would Cousins come for a trial?

I doubt we will sign him but he has been released by Stoke, not Wycombe or Sheffield Wednesday.  Plenty of championship clubs will have a sniff.  If we can offer him something better, not necessarily financially, he might be tempted. 

Cafc43v3r said:

Swisdom said:

Just my tuppence worth - I'm not a massive fan of Pigott.  I think he did well at Wimbledon as he was a bigger fish in a smaller pond.  Not sure he will cut it at a bigger club to be honest.  Time will tell I guess.

As for Cousins - I'd definitely get him in for a trial.  His engine was excellent and whilst he was limited on the ball he is probably better than Pratley technically and more mobile than both he and Watson.  He always said he'd like to return and I would like us to at least make contact.  He should be fresh having not played a vast amount in the last few seasons and he should be in his prime at 27.  He is also able to operate in a few positions.

As Curbs always used to say he wanted players that were "Hungry and angry" and I wonder if Jordan fits into that mould...

Why the hell would Cousins come for a trial?

I doubt we will sign him but he has been released by Stoke, not Wycombe or Sheffield Wednesday.  Plenty of championship clubs will have a sniff.  If we can offer him something better, not necessarily financially, he might be tempted. 

Swisdom said:

Cafc43v3r said:

Swisdom said:

Just my tuppence worth - I'm not a massive fan of Pigott.  I think he did well at Wimbledon as he was a bigger fish in a smaller pond.  Not sure he will cut it at a bigger club to be honest.  Time will tell I guess.

As for Cousins - I'd definitely get him in for a trial.  His engine was excellent and whilst he was limited on the ball he is probably better than Pratley technically and more mobile than both he and Watson.  He always said he'd like to return and I would like us to at least make contact.  He should be fresh having not played a vast amount in the last few seasons and he should be in his prime at 27.  He is also able to operate in a few positions.

As Curbs always used to say he wanted players that were "Hungry and angry" and I wonder if Jordan fits into that mould...

Why the hell would Cousins come for a trial?

I doubt we will sign him but he has been released by Stoke, not Wycombe or Sheffield Wednesday.  Plenty of championship clubs will have a sniff.  If we can offer him something better, not necessarily financially, he might be tempted. 

Cafc43v3r said:

Swisdom said:

Just my tuppence worth - I'm not a massive fan of Pigott.  I think he did well at Wimbledon as he was a bigger fish in a smaller pond.  Not sure he will cut it at a bigger club to be honest.  Time will tell I guess.

As for Cousins - I'd definitely get him in for a trial.  His engine was excellent and whilst he was limited on the ball he is probably better than Pratley technically and more mobile than both he and Watson.  He always said he'd like to return and I would like us to at least make contact.  He should be fresh having not played a vast amount in the last few seasons and he should be in his prime at 27.  He is also able to operate in a few positions.

As Curbs always used to say he wanted players that were "Hungry and angry" and I wonder if Jordan fits into that mould...

Why the hell would Cousins come for a trial?

I doubt we will sign him but he has been released by Stoke, not Wycombe or Sheffield Wednesday.  Plenty of championship clubs will have a sniff.  If we can offer him something better, not necessarily financially, he might be tempted. 

We would offer a trial to gauge his fitness.  I’d be surprised if there were loads of offers in the current climate so we don’t need to jump without doing due diligence