For those wanting a draw or loss tonight to make second round easier, you only have to think of Euro 2016 when everyone thought we had an easier game against Iceland.
Agree. Or even last week when we played one of the poniest teams in the competition. An easier game doesnt mean we are through to the qtrs so might aswell go out win tonight and just deal with the next game when it comes.
I don't think there is an obvious weaker half of the draw, unlike in 2018, so it's more important to play well, beat the Czechs and stay at Wembley.
No quarter finals are at Wembley so it's only the second round game. Either finish top and play a very strong side at wembley, finish second probably play Sweden (though it could easily be Spain or anyone in that group) in Copenhagen. I'm not sure what I'd prefer really, keep changing my mind each time I look.
The game in Copenhagen will be against Spain if Sweden beat Poland, which I think is likely. Bookies discounting the Swedish odds because Poland need a result but Poland are pants when it matters in these big tournaments.
Theoretical path if we draw and land in the top half: Spain -> France -> Belgium/Italy -> Netherlands/Germany/Portugal
Theoretical path if we win and go into the bottom half: Germany/Portugal -> Sweden -> Netherlands -> Belgium/Italy/France
That's how they rank all the third placed teams, one from each group. Which makes sense because head to head doesn't exist, they haven't played each other.
The groups themselves go by head to head, then by goal difference etc.
Ok, so best if we lose and finish 3rd. Then we'll get Poland, Austria, Sweden and Australia.
Sure but if you want a serious answer for a moment.
Say we did end up coming third in the group, we’d be playing round of 16 against the Netherlands 75% of the time, with a quarter final against Wales/Denmark OR the winner of Group E (Sweden or Spain) 25% of the time with a quarter final against Czechs / Group F runner up.
Only four combinations left after Switzerland and England are both guaranteed two of the best 3rds: ABCD ACDE ACDF ADEF.
Three of those have Group D third against the Netherlands and the other one doesn’t.
Taking things back into the realm of actually likely, that means that as long as there’s a winner at Hampden today, they are 75% likely to face the Netherlands in the next round. If it’s draw, both the Scots and Croatia are out.
I can't see Scotland beating Croatia, which is the only way third place could be a possibility. They celebrated a draw too much. They may have deserved more but they got a draw so not much to jump about for unless you are happy being a loser
To be fair there has only been one Tournament where England have gotten maximum points from the initial group stage so the fact we've drawn one doesnt change much historically
For those wanting a draw or loss tonight to make second round easier, you only have to think of Euro 2016 when everyone thought we had an easier game against Iceland.
I think that result was the result of disunity in the squad just a day or two after the referendum. Brexit caused a lot of disagreements and I'd be surprised if the England players weren't affected.
For those wanting a draw or loss tonight to make second round easier, you only have to think of Euro 2016 when everyone thought we had an easier game against Iceland.
I think that result was the result of disunity in the squad just a day or two after the referendum. Brexit caused a lot of disagreements and I'd be surprised if the England players weren't affected.
For those wanting a draw or loss tonight to make second round easier, you only have to think of Euro 2016 when everyone thought we had an easier game against Iceland.
I think that result was the result of disunity in the squad just a day or two after the referendum. Brexit caused a lot of disagreements and I'd be surprised if the England players weren't affected.
WTF !
I think Jimmy’s on a wind up or he’s been on the vino, which is what they do this time of day in France 🍷 😉.
So 8 clean sheets in our last 9 games and not conceded for some 600 minutes. That is the way Southgate will continue to play until such time as he finds us in a position where we have to chase the game. It's Mourinho's pragmatism over Guardiola's adventure. Whether that will work against the best teams remains to be seen.
For anyone that needs help keeping track of the third placed teams etc...
Round of 16 fixtures:
26 June: In Amsterdam, Wales will play Denmark In London, Italy will play Austria
27 June: In Seville, Belgium will play Switzerland (25%), Group E third (50%) or Group F third (25%). In Budapest, Netherlands will play Czech Republic (75%) or Group F third (25%).
28 June: In Copenhagen, Croatia will play the runner up of Group E. In Bucharest, the winner of Group F will play Switzerland (75%) or Ukraine (25%).
29 June: In London, England will play the runner up of Group F. In Glasgow, the winner of Group E will play Finland (25%), Ukraine (50%) or Czech Republic (25%).
3 games, 1 point, 1 goal simply isn’t good enough if you want to get out of the group’s
back to supporting whoever you pricks are playing 😉
The Scotch invented scotch to drown their sorrows after being beaten by their effeminate southern neighbours again. Unfortunately skirts and Graeme Sounsess teeth don't win tournaments
For anyone that needs help keeping track of the third placed teams etc...
Round of 16 fixtures:
26 June: In Amsterdam, Wales will play Denmark In London, Italy will play Austria
27 June: In Seville, Belgium will play Switzerland (25%), Group E third (50%) or Group F third (25%). In Budapest, Netherlands will play Czech Republic (75%) or Group F third (25%).
28 June: In Copenhagen, Croatia will play the runner up of Group E. In Bucharest, the winner of Group F will play Switzerland (75%) or Ukraine (25%).
29 June: In London, England will play the runner up of Group F. In Glasgow, the winner of Group E will play Finland (25%), Ukraine (50%) or Czech Republic (25%).
To take this a step further, it's fairly safe to assume Group F will have three teams qualify based on the market odds available (shorter than 1/10 on both Germany and Portugal).
This narrows the possibilities down from 4 to only 2 (between Ukraine and Group E for the last qualifying spot, sorry Finland). From there, the third placed possibilities look like this:
In Seville, Belgium will play Group E third (50%) or Group F third (50%).
In Budapest, Netherlands will play Czech Republic (50%) or Group F third (50%).
In Bucharest, the winner of Group F will play Switzerland.
In Glasgow, the winner of Group E will play Ukraine (50%) or Czech Republic (50%).
Maybe Scotland will become a better team when they look determined and frustrated getting a draw with England rather than celebrating like they have won something! They certainly edged the Wembley match but look who tops the Group and who is bottom!
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Only four combinations left after Switzerland and England are both guaranteed two of the best 3rds: ABCD ACDE ACDF ADEF.
The crowd capacity at Wembley will be raised to more than 60,000 for the semi-finals and final of Euro 2020, says the UK government.
It means the stadium will be at 75% capacity for the games.
The increase will also see the largest crowds assembled for a sporting event in the UK in more than 15 months.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57546042
3 games, 1 point, 1 goal simply isn’t good enough if you want to get out of the group’s
back to supporting whoever you pricks are playing 😉
Round of 16 fixtures:
26 June:
In Amsterdam, Wales will play Denmark
In London, Italy will play Austria
27 June:
In Seville, Belgium will play Switzerland (25%), Group E third (50%) or Group F third (25%).
In Budapest, Netherlands will play Czech Republic (75%) or Group F third (25%).
28 June:
In Copenhagen, Croatia will play the runner up of Group E.
In Bucharest, the winner of Group F will play Switzerland (75%) or Ukraine (25%).
29 June:
In London, England will play the runner up of Group F.
In Glasgow, the winner of Group E will play Finland (25%), Ukraine (50%) or Czech Republic (25%).
To take this a step further, it's fairly safe to assume Group F will have three teams qualify based on the market odds available (shorter than 1/10 on both Germany and Portugal).
This narrows the possibilities down from 4 to only 2 (between Ukraine and Group E for the last qualifying spot, sorry Finland). From there, the third placed possibilities look like this:
In Seville, Belgium will play Group E third (50%) or Group F third (50%).
In Budapest, Netherlands will play Czech Republic (50%) or Group F third (50%).
In Bucharest, the winner of Group F will play Switzerland.
In Glasgow, the winner of Group E will play Ukraine (50%) or Czech Republic (50%).