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Euro 2020 Thread
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2 words. START SANCHO.Garrymanilow said:Very interested to see how we line up against Germany, whether we match up with their wing backs or not. It would be a bit strange to completely change formation now, but Southgate might be concerned about the trouble Gosens can cause on his his flank and the space Kimmich creates for Ginter to get crosses in. One thing we can take from this tournament so far is that England have been solid defensively and Germany have been shambolic, horrifically susceptible to counter attacks. They repeatedly got caught on the break by France and were lucky to only concede one, got opened up from their own corner by Portugal for their first goal and got done both on a counter and then from a kick off with a ball over the top against Hungary. With that in mind I'd expect England to invite the Germans onto them and then look to release the likes of Sterling and Foden on the counter. I don't think Grealish will be as well suited to this style of playing so I think he'll be there as a sub. It's a shame Rashford is playing so poorly at the moment as he's one of the best counter-attacking forwards going and he's spent the last couple of seasons at Man Utd playing that way.0 -
I love that you thought “4 might be a little bit early, I’ll go for 4:10”!IdleHans said:Just booked a pub table for Tuesday afternoon, from 4:10pm to make sure nicely settled for the build up. Maximum length of booking 3 hours, which I've since worked out might mean we get chucked out in the second half of extra time...
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I know it seems a bit weird, but the train arrives at 3.54 and i dont want to run anywhere in my wretched physical state. That extra ten minutes might be the difference between a casual saunter and a cardiac arrest.
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Mesaged my mum...
'Mum, how would you and Dad fancy dinner with us next Tuesday?'
'So Dad can watch the football with you while I help look after the lit'luns? Dad said he'll bring the Stella!'
Got to love the old dears!
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Anyone doing Wembley Box Park pre match for the England game? Can't see that they're selling tables, maybe i'm wrong?0
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Sunny day and you might see even less on that TV than when Croatia played in black on a half shadow pitch.IdleHans said:Just booked a pub table for Tuesday afternoon, from 4:10pm to make sure nicely settled for the build up. Maximum length of booking 3 hours, which I've since worked out might mean we get chucked out in the second half of extra time...0 -
Germany play a 3-4-3. Their weaknesses are a lack of a true number 9 and decent but not world class centre backs.
Their strengths are Kimmich and Gosens in the wing back roles and Kroos & Gundogan running the midfield. Their goalie ain’t bad either.
If they choose a front three of Gnabry, Havertz, Werner, I will be extremely concerned about Maguire/Mings ability to keep up. Stones should be ok but needs to be partnered by someone who won’t be beaten for pace.
Similarly, you need Mount in the side to help stifle the ability of Kroos to dictate the pace of the match. We also need speed in attacking areas to exploit their defensive weaknesses.2 -
Your team ?Callumcafc said:Germany play a 3-4-3. Their weaknesses are a lack of a true number 9 and decent but not world class centre backs.
Their strengths are Kimmich and Gosens in the wing back roles and Kroos & Gundogan running the midfield. Their goalie ain’t bad either.
If they choose a front three of Gnabry, Havertz, Werner, I will be extremely concerned about Maguire/Mings ability to keep up. Stones should be ok but needs to be partnered by someone who won’t be beaten for pace.
Similarly, you need Mount in the side to help stifle the ability of Kroos to dictate the pace of the match. We also need speed in attacking areas to exploit their defensive weaknesses.0 -
I think it'll be no massive changes...johnnybev1987 said:
Your team ?Callumcafc said:Germany play a 3-4-3. Their weaknesses are a lack of a true number 9 and decent but not world class centre backs.
Their strengths are Kimmich and Gosens in the wing back roles and Kroos & Gundogan running the midfield. Their goalie ain’t bad either.
If they choose a front three of Gnabry, Havertz, Werner, I will be extremely concerned about Maguire/Mings ability to keep up. Stones should be ok but needs to be partnered by someone who won’t be beaten for pace.
Similarly, you need Mount in the side to help stifle the ability of Kroos to dictate the pace of the match. We also need speed in attacking areas to exploit their defensive weaknesses.
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Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
-----Rice Henderson
---Foden Mount Sterling
--------Kane
Rice and Henderson dropping in to cover the attacking full backs where needed. Or Rice can temporarily drop into a back three to weather a storm when required.
Trying to reinvent the wheel and fitting in DCL, Grealish, Sancho just doesn't seem likely, as much as I'd like to see them in the side.
I personally would take out Mount and Sterling, stick Sancho and Grealish wide left and right of Kane and drop Foden into the central midfield three. I don't think Kroos would be able to keep up with Foden's dribbling ability from deep.
Something more like this is more to my liking...
--------Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
----------Rice
---Foden -------Henderson
---Sancho Kane Grealish
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Hummels is technically a good defender but I doubt there are many slower. That has to be something we can exploit.0
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Yeah not predicted line up, actual team you would pick hypetically? The reason i say that as 4231 doesn't negate any of their attacking forwards, also not the quickest frontline (bar sterling. Not nitpicking just generally interested?Callumcafc said:
I think it'll be no massive changes...johnnybev1987 said:
Your team ?Callumcafc said:Germany play a 3-4-3. Their weaknesses are a lack of a true number 9 and decent but not world class centre backs.
Their strengths are Kimmich and Gosens in the wing back roles and Kroos & Gundogan running the midfield. Their goalie ain’t bad either.
If they choose a front three of Gnabry, Havertz, Werner, I will be extremely concerned about Maguire/Mings ability to keep up. Stones should be ok but needs to be partnered by someone who won’t be beaten for pace.
Similarly, you need Mount in the side to help stifle the ability of Kroos to dictate the pace of the match. We also need speed in attacking areas to exploit their defensive weaknesses.
--------Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
-----Rice Henderson
---Foden Mount Sterling
--------Kane
Rice and Henderson dropping in to cover the attacking full backs where needed. Or Rice can temporarily drop into a back three to weather a storm when required.
Trying to reinvent the wheel and fitting in DCL, Grealish, Sancho just doesn't seem likely, as much as I'd like to see them in the side.
I would guess your line up is close to what it will be, unless they move Grealish in for Foden, from where you have highlighted their strengths (Wings) it doesn't really match up that well.1 -
I can't see Saka not starting after the performance he gave last time.
With all of Foden's qualities, if we're playing counter attack we need a quick direct runner that can take players on. Foden was never that.1 -
I think Saka may play over Mount or Foden (depending on the self-isolating thing), and possibly still Phillips over Henderson, but apart from that you're probably right.Callumcafc said:
I think it'll be no massive changes...johnnybev1987 said:
Your team ?Callumcafc said:Germany play a 3-4-3. Their weaknesses are a lack of a true number 9 and decent but not world class centre backs.
Their strengths are Kimmich and Gosens in the wing back roles and Kroos & Gundogan running the midfield. Their goalie ain’t bad either.
If they choose a front three of Gnabry, Havertz, Werner, I will be extremely concerned about Maguire/Mings ability to keep up. Stones should be ok but needs to be partnered by someone who won’t be beaten for pace.
Similarly, you need Mount in the side to help stifle the ability of Kroos to dictate the pace of the match. We also need speed in attacking areas to exploit their defensive weaknesses.
--------Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
-----Rice Henderson
---Foden Mount Sterling
--------Kane
Rice and Henderson dropping in to cover the attacking full backs where needed. Or Rice can temporarily drop into a back three to weather a storm when required.
Trying to reinvent the wheel and fitting in DCL, Grealish, Sancho just doesn't seem likely, as much as I'd like to see them in the side.
I personally would take out Mount and Sterling, stick Sancho and Grealish wide left and right of Kane and drop Foden into the central midfield three. I don't think Kroos would be able to keep up with Foden's dribbling ability from deep.
Something more like this is more to my liking...
--------Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
----------Rice
---Foden -------Henderson
---Sancho Kane Grealish1 -
Just a quick draft based on what you have highlighted, which i agree. This below team i would go with, again i wouldn't personally want to leave Grealish or Foden out, just makes sense with the set up. Also i know for fact this is nowhere near the team as a couple of people i would have over Southgates preferred eg. Trippier - Walker
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Trippier, Stones, Maguire, Chilwell (Feel he offers alot more in defence and equal going forward sorry Shaw)
Bellingham, Henderson, Mount (Hendo holding)
Sancho, Kane, Sterling
Wingers i feel in this set up need to have pace to scare them. I think we have so many options going forward we really can tailor it to the game.
I'll probably change my team tomorrow
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Sorry, I updated my post afterwards with what I'd want to see... it is more attacking and would leave us a bit exposed perhaps.johnnybev1987 said:
Yeah not predicted line up, actual team you would pick hypetically? The reason i say that as 4231 doesn't negate any of their attacking forwards, also not the quickest frontline (bar sterling. Not nitpicking just generally interested?Callumcafc said:
I think it'll be no massive changes...johnnybev1987 said:
Your team ?Callumcafc said:Germany play a 3-4-3. Their weaknesses are a lack of a true number 9 and decent but not world class centre backs.
Their strengths are Kimmich and Gosens in the wing back roles and Kroos & Gundogan running the midfield. Their goalie ain’t bad either.
If they choose a front three of Gnabry, Havertz, Werner, I will be extremely concerned about Maguire/Mings ability to keep up. Stones should be ok but needs to be partnered by someone who won’t be beaten for pace.
Similarly, you need Mount in the side to help stifle the ability of Kroos to dictate the pace of the match. We also need speed in attacking areas to exploit their defensive weaknesses.
--------Pickford
Walker Stones Maguire Shaw
-----Rice Henderson
---Foden Mount Sterling
--------Kane
Rice and Henderson dropping in to cover the attacking full backs where needed. Or Rice can temporarily drop into a back three to weather a storm when required.
Trying to reinvent the wheel and fitting in DCL, Grealish, Sancho just doesn't seem likely, as much as I'd like to see them in the side.
I would guess your line up is close to what it will be, unless they move Grealish in for Foden, from where you have highlighted their strengths (Wings) it doesn't really match up that well.
Lots of comments coming in about Saka which are very valid, maybe you'd have him in the side over Sancho or Grealish.1 -
ricky_otto said:
I thought he had picked David Jamesstackitsteve said:Besides missing a GK what do we think of that team from Neville?
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Need pace v germany. Defo would start saka
and sterling. Would like hendo or bells to have a half to inject some energy instead of phillips.1 -
We’ve booked one from 11.30am till 4pm when we leave for Wembley, what could possibly go wrong.....IdleHans said:Just booked a pub table for Tuesday afternoon, from 4:10pm to make sure nicely settled for the build up. Maximum length of booking 3 hours, which I've since worked out might mean we get chucked out in the second half of extra time...6 -
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Two goals in 270 minutes…..let’s try playing without a striker!cafcfan1990 said:
I agree about Grealish and Saka. Been talking to my brother and very controversial, but I'd play without a striker.Braziliance said:
Could be a shout, I've said since the start I don't understand why we aren't playing a 433 with those two on the right, they play with eachother week in week out so it just seems logical. Good thinking with the same league, on the flip side the German players may be more comfortable playing against them?orpingtonRED said:
Maybe Sancho and Bellingham? Both play in Germany and might just be right for this game.Braziliance said:
That's my concern, they're our biggest rivals with Scotland and the players will know how big the game is, hopefully it doesn't effect us. Need to play players who won't get stage frighthoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will be down to strength of character - I hope we don't have a repeat of the Scotland performance.Braziliance said:Literally cannot wait. Going to be a cracking game, favours us, Germans have shown they are vulnerable on the counter and if we match them we should find more space than in our group stage games.
Very happy with that draw and run if we can do em'
I feel Grealish and Saka MUST start, Germany don't look their usual composed self at all and those two will run at them without fear and cause them trouble. I also think this will be Kane's game, I reckon he will bully that German back line.
I genuinely favour us 70/30 atm. My biggest concern with them is Kimmich and Gnabry, if they have quiet games we will do them
I'd play Foden as a false 9, with Grealish just behind, Saka down the right and Sterling down the left. If Foden drops deep Sterling will try get in behind with Grealish pushing left. The German backline isn't the quickest, let's do them with pace and movement.
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"yeah we beat Germany, but they were only 12th in the world"ForeverAddickted said:8 -
I’m struggling with us playing Germany, we can’t seem to score more than 1 goal at the moment.
The last time we beat them in a competition was 1966, and we were blooming woeful against Scotland.
If we had smashed everyone 3 or 4 nil in the group stage , I’d be singing from the rooftops, someone give me some reasons to be cheerful, 1,2,3 as the song goes.0 -
Germany haven’t been that good. They struggled through due to one lucky win. They were on the verge of going out.Mendonca In Asdas said:I’m struggling with us playing Germany, we can’t seem to score more than 1 goal at the moment.
The last time we beat them in a competition was 1966, and we were blooming woeful against Scotland.
If we had smashed everyone 3 or 4 nil in the group stage , I’d be singing from the rooftops, someone give me some reasons to be cheerful, 1,2,3 as the song goes.
England have been pretty solid as a team and didn’t concede a goal over the 3 games.
Kane will start scoring goals, as will Foden, Grealish, Mount etc
England have a lot of youngsters in the squad that won’t give a shit about how great Germany have been in the past
England’s style works better against better teams. They are mostly PL players after all. 3 of the 4 finalists in the two European club finals this last season were PL teams which tends to support the style of PL football as having a slight edge over the others.The only really crap performance in the first stage was against Scotland. Those games are always crap. It’s like a FA Cup game against a team 3 or 4 levels below you, it’s their cup final and the football tends to gravitate to the lower level of the two sides.
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I have absolutely no clue how this game with Germany will go. But in my 34 years on this earth, all I can ever remember is them beating us at major tournaments. I really hope the hoodoo ends here, it would've been a pretty dull euros if we bow out now.1
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I really think we will beat them. Ive not been impressed with us really, but they are not a great side. Definitely a better draw than Portugal or France in my opinion.2
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A couple of comments saying we've not beaten Germany for 50 years in a tournament game...
We beat them 1-0 in the group stage of Euro 200016 -
I think the Germans will fear our offensive pace and will probably play deeper as a result. If we do the same it will be in danger of being a bit of a stalemate. If I was Southgate I want pace and the ability to beat a man. We won't want to be just passing the ball in front of them as I suspect it will counter our advantage and they have players who can hurt us defensively.1
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Portugal are a one man team. It’s not that they haven’t got some really great players in their side but Ronaldo is key to holding them together.LegacyFan said:I really think we will beat them. Ive not been impressed with us really, but they are not a great side. Definitely a better draw than Portugal or France in my opinion.France have yet to be tested despite being in the ‘group of death’. I’m not convinced they are together as a team’ at the moment though there’s no denying they have an edge.
Italy is another country where I think the results have flattered them. They look like a bunch of players where too many of them want to be the one that gets all the glory and are not playing for their teammates. When they come up a tougher side that attitude could blow up big time.0
