Its a harsh moment for Rashford as his penalty wasnt even saved
Two inches to the right and it goes in
But it didn’t though mate. The one thing you ensure is you hit the target. I’m not slating him, it’s football. But they were poor pens and I hate those psychology penalties like his, Jorginho, Lyle Taylor etc as you increase the tension and look more silly when it goes wrong.
I’m more gutted we didn’t have a proper go at the game.
Why the fuck are we letting Rashford take a pen, he’s been shit for 7 months. And Saka 18 years old, what a joke.
The saving grace is that this won’t be a one off this with team.
He's good at penalties. Normally, obviously.
Didn't have an issue with Rashford, made sense, but Sancho and Saka, it's a lot of pressure on young guys who don't normally take them.
@ValleyGary Thank you for being able to be critical when it can be levelled. 2 minutes in a game, with no touch of the ball is very, very difficult to then step up and smash home a penalty.
Saka was poor when he came on. I think it is unfair to expect him to take number 5. I'd rather see Pickford step up.
One sub versus four for them. Mancini changed things. Southgate was afraid to make changes until they scored.
We have to just be a little more positive and believe.
But ya know, those who wanted to slag off Southgate have a nice slab of meat to jump on like mange ridden hyenas
You can really be a twisted young man at times....
Not really, just have an expansive vocabulary, there are some already wanting to moan.
Grealish for example, is no where near the pens for Villa, but people are piling in on him. The three that didn't convert are good penalty takers, even Jorginho didn't score, and he never misses
Again, players when they haven't been on the pitch for very long aren't 'in the game'.
Taking a cold penalty with huge amounts of pressure when you've touched the ball maybe twice in 2 hours, isn't the best idea in the world.
Yet look who they replaced, would you have wanted Henderson and Walker taking penalties if they're shite at them?
Equally you'd end up with players out of position to effectively accommodate your penalty takers (Yeah Saka should have been put at Right-Back instead of Rashford) but there is equally the risk that you dont even reach penalties if you plan for them too early.
I think during the game we simply scored too early and sat back after about 30 minutes to get to half time. We never really got the momentum back after that.
You could see England going back into their shell and the subs didn't really do much to help us keep the ball and put pressure back onto Italy. They grew into the game in the second half and other than a period during extra time, Italy were well on top for the rest of the game.
Penalties are penalties and are a lottery at the end of the day. Just seemed like Italy were more confident of winning them and England should have gone for it during extra time a little bit more.
Players like Sterling looked knackered from about half-time onwards.
Its a harsh moment for Rashford as his penalty wasnt even saved
Two inches to the right and it goes in
But it didn’t though mate. The one thing you ensure is you hit the target. I’m not slating him, it’s football. But they were poor pens and I hate those psychology penalties like his, Jorginho, Lyle Taylor etc as you increase the tension and look more silly when it goes wrong.
I’m more gutted we didn’t have a proper go at the game.
But we’ve been having a go at teams for 55 years and never got as close as this. A semi final and a final in back to back tournaments. Just feel like Southgate and team deserve a bit more trust to do it their way. Because it’s clearly working better than anything we’ve tried in the past.
Been great but Southgate got that wrong IMO. Late subs, shit ourselves after a great 45 mins, poor pens, I dunno. It’s hard cos he’s been great but fucking hell that Italian team are average. I really disappointed.
34 games unbeaten is better than average. They will not go down as one of the greats but they won the tournament and that’s all that matters
The frustrating thing is Rashford is probably our best penalty taker. Would have preferred him to take one of his standard ones than a Lyle Tayloresque effort. Pickford is a great penalty keeper but missing three gave him no chance.
Scoring so early shocked Italy, but it shocked England too. Italy had no option but to recover with time to do so. If we could have another couple of early opportunities and a bit of luck, it could have opened up into a different game. Italy dragged us back into a chess match and we lost all forward momentum. It’s was a bit like an MMA match where the striker got an early, surprise knock down, but then found it hard to land strikes and was taken to the mat and ground down for the remaining rounds.
On a positive note, this young team will have learnt a lot about winning, as well as what it takes on big occasions. Stick with them.
The frustrating thing is Rashford is probably our best penalty taker. Would have preferred him to take one of his standard ones than a Lyle Tayloresque effort. Pickford is a great penalty keeper but missing three gave him no chance.
Missing two and then relying on him to save against Jorginho was cruel enough... He did not deserve to lose
Pickford 8.0: good save in the second half, fully did his job in penalties Stones: 5.5: neither good nor bad Maguire 7.0: not good with ball but good defense and made his pen Walker: 6.0: did his job Rice: 8.0: immense Phillips 6.0: did his job mostly Shaw: 8.5 MOM for England Trippier 5.0: barely noticed Kane 6.5: made his pen, was quite physical but got no chances Mount: 5.0 not his best match Sterling 2.5: an embarrassment with his pratfalls
subs
Grealish: 5.5... should have been brought on 20 min earlier Saka: NA: worst player of the match per minute played Rashford NA blew it Henderson NA stunk Sancho NA should not have been brought on
Southgate: 3.5 bad time for his worst night as manager in this tourney Ref: 7.0 actually glad he let em play and did not fall for all the pratfalls.
No mate, I watched this stone cold sober. We were beaten by a very good team and we took them all the way. Their tactics, skill and drive nullified anything we did after the first 30 minutes and from there most of the game we only had scraps. They all played their part both sides and the officials. Good final.
Mancini's subs changed the game, Southgate's did not. So much for tactical nous. Italy were the better team and we allowed them to play their game by keeping our attacking players on the bench until it was too late. But Mourinho/Southgate will soldier on I am sure.
A quick check shows you've been quiet recently on England and then suddenly post after we lose... funny that.
The problem with the pens is there’s not a lot of obvious players to take them, and everyone in the squad is young. Our experienced players shouldn’t go near a pen and then all you’ve got left is youth. Do you bring on Rashford or let Kyle Walker step up? People still go on about how in 96 we had Les Ferdinand and Robbie Fowler on the bench but we let Southgate take one. It’s so easy to judge with hindsight on penalties but in the end it comes down to luck and who holds their nerve on the night and unfortunately our young players did not. It’s still a fantastic tournament and it’s still progress. We took an Italy team that haven’t lost in 30 odd games to penalties in the final, there’s no part of that that wouldn’t have seemed like a fever dream just a couple of years ago. This was a fantastic tournament and we have a great team and a great manager and there’s more to come
Pickford 8.0: good save in the second half, fully did his job in penalties Stones: 5.5: neither good nor bad Maguire 7.0: not good with ball but good defense and made his pen Walker: 6.0: did his job Rice: 8.0: immense Phillips 6.0: did his job mostly Shaw: 8.5 MOM for England Trippier 5.0: barely noticed Kane 6.5: made his pen, was quite physical but got no chances Mount: 5.0 not his best match Sterling 2.5: an embarrassment with his pratfalls
subs
Grealish: 5.5... should have been brought on 20 min earlier Saka: NA: worst player of the match per minute played Rashford NA blew it Henderson NA stunk Sancho NA should not have been brought on
Southgate: 3.5 bad time for his worst night as manager in this tourney Ref: 7.0 actually glad he let em play and did not fall for all the pratfalls.
No mate, I watched this stone cold sober. We were beaten by a very good team and we took them all the way. Their tactics, skill and drive nullified anything we did after the first 30 minutes and from there most of the game we only had scraps. They all played their part both sides and the officials. Good final.
Fair take and you could be right... but England had em in shock and will still attacking at minute 20 and took their foot off the gas. Add in poor substitutes and questionable penalty choices and it seems like England could have done far better tonight. Italy was the better team but England had control and lost it. That's how it looked from here.
I think Italy were chasing playing high up the pitch and given their lack of pace at the back, it is probably something we could have tried to counter. The goal was coming and using the pace we had on the bench might have changed the balance a little. Of course, if we held out, Southgate would have been lauded a tactical genius. That is football.
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Saka was poor when he came on. I think it is unfair to expect him to take number 5. I'd rather see Pickford step up.
One sub versus four for them. Mancini changed things. Southgate was afraid to make changes until they scored.
We have to just be a little more positive and believe.
Grealish for example, is no where near the pens for Villa, but people are piling in on him. The three that didn't convert are good penalty takers, even Jorginho didn't score, and he never misses
Equally you'd end up with players out of position to effectively accommodate your penalty takers (Yeah Saka should have been put at Right-Back instead of Rashford) but there is equally the risk that you dont even reach penalties if you plan for them too early.
You could see England going back into their shell and the subs didn't really do much to help us keep the ball and put pressure back onto Italy. They grew into the game in the second half and other than a period during extra time, Italy were well on top for the rest of the game.
Penalties are penalties and are a lottery at the end of the day. Just seemed like Italy were more confident of winning them and England should have gone for it during extra time a little bit more.
Players like Sterling looked knackered from about half-time onwards.
I’ll be honest that post does sound stupid. I just can’t understand how
hes not ahead of Sancho in pen responsibilities.
We'll be there.
On a positive note, this young team will have learnt a lot about winning, as well as what it takes on big occasions. Stick with them.
Two were almost identical location to Sancho/Saka third bounced off the post and in off the keepers head. Big difference - No silly run up.
They all played their part both sides and the officials. Good final.
I'll leave it there