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England v Italy - THE FINAL - Match Thread
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You come out with some crackers, this is your best yet.SELR_addicks said:The players don't deserve any criticism for the penalties. They shouldn't have been put in that position with only 2 touches on the ball during the game. And such a young player to take such a pressured penalty.
A pen is a pen, you really should not need match fitness to take a pen.2 -
Since when is Rashford a youngster? Sancho and Saka are first team players at club level.
Let's not over egg the omelette.
Sure the pressure got to them, but it was fantastic the Manager felt he could rely on them.0 -
I think the worst part for me is this was a Euro final at Wembley. We had 80% off the crowd. Home advantage and it still wasn’t enough.When will we put it to bed?I worry that it won’t be in my lifetime.1
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You think rashford would have sliced his penalty if he'd actually touched the ball more than once in the game?orpingtonRED said:
You come out with some crackers, this is your best yet.SELR_addicks said:The players don't deserve any criticism for the penalties. They shouldn't have been put in that position with only 2 touches on the ball during the game. And such a young player to take such a pressured penalty.
A pen is a pen, you really should not need match fitness to take a pen.
There's a reason subs take 5-10 mins to get into the game.3 -
The best England penalty was taken by Maguire, who I thought would miss by a mile.15
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Fuck they will be having parties tonightguinnessaddick said:
North of the border.iainment said:So no fucking Bank Holiday then.0 -
It could be next year. I would like to see a more positive manager have a go, but I can't see how that can happen unless Southgate steps down. Ultimately, he has achieved what no other English manager has achieved in 55 years.1
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It was pointed out by Shearer that Rashford looked up at the keeper just as he struck it. It was a mis-kick nothing to do with how long he'd played. Simply nerves.SELR_addicks said:
You think rashford would have sliced his penalty if he'd actually touched the ball more than once in the game?orpingtonRED said:
You come out with some crackers, this is your best yet.SELR_addicks said:The players don't deserve any criticism for the penalties. They shouldn't have been put in that position with only 2 touches on the ball during the game. And such a young player to take such a pressured penalty.
A pen is a pen, you really should not need match fitness to take a pen.
There's a reason subs take 5-10 mins to get into the game.2 -
The good thing is that this is 2 tournaments now where we've been close. Keep getting deep into tournaments and you'll win one, you'll get that bit of luck etc.Laddick01 said:I think the worst part for me is this was a Euro final at Wembley. We had 80% off the crowd. Home advantage and it still wasn’t enough.When will we put it to bed?I worry that it won’t be in my lifetime.
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The downside with that type of penalty is you don't give yourself time. It is why they are taken by the players with the most ability. Rashford did beat the keeper but for whatever reason, skill or pressure, he didn't execute the kick with the lack of time to find the other side of the goal.Dazzler21 said:
It was pointed out by Shearer that Rashford looked up at the keeper just as he struck it. It was a mis-kick nothing to do with how long he'd played. Simply nerves.SELR_addicks said:
You think rashford would have sliced his penalty if he'd actually touched the ball more than once in the game?orpingtonRED said:
You come out with some crackers, this is your best yet.SELR_addicks said:The players don't deserve any criticism for the penalties. They shouldn't have been put in that position with only 2 touches on the ball during the game. And such a young player to take such a pressured penalty.
A pen is a pen, you really should not need match fitness to take a pen.
There's a reason subs take 5-10 mins to get into the game.
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Some good omens both Portugal and France both lost euro finals at home and eventually put that right. For Qatar we need to be a bit more positive going forward. In extra time we looked the more dangerous why we didn't do that in normal time. So frustrating0
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I dont even think Rashford looked down at the ball. Looked like he had his eyes on the keeper the whole time.Dazzler21 said:
It was pointed out by Shearer that Rashford looked up at the keeper just as he struck it. It was a mis-kick nothing to do with how long he'd played. Simply nerves.SELR_addicks said:
You think rashford would have sliced his penalty if he'd actually touched the ball more than once in the game?orpingtonRED said:
You come out with some crackers, this is your best yet.SELR_addicks said:The players don't deserve any criticism for the penalties. They shouldn't have been put in that position with only 2 touches on the ball during the game. And such a young player to take such a pressured penalty.
A pen is a pen, you really should not need match fitness to take a pen.
There's a reason subs take 5-10 mins to get into the game.0 -
Probably the final post for me tonight. We lacked a little bit of luck tonight but we’ve still had a lot throughout the tournament .North Lower Neil said:
The good thing is that this is 2 tournaments now where we've been close. Keep getting deep into tournaments and you'll win one, you'll get that bit of luck etc.Laddick01 said:I think the worst part for me is this was a Euro final at Wembley. We had 80% off the crowd. Home advantage and it still wasn’t enough.When will we put it to bed?I worry that it won’t be in my lifetime.
I think we will be one of those sides that’s always top 3/4 in terms of talent but never quite had enough. It’s a sad day. Watching us play defense for 45 mins in the game of our life genuinely hurt me.1 -
Out of curiosity... If Rashford missed because he wasn't on for long enough
Did Mbappe miss because he was on the pitch for too long?8 -
Yes because Sunday Morning at Goals is in anyway comparable to Wembley for a European championship final.Dazzler21 said:
I took three competitive penalties in my footy prime (24/25)ricky_otto said:FFS we lost on pens.They weren’t great for sure, but let’s dig the takers out. All of us on here could have taken a better one right?
Two were almost identical location to Sancho/Saka third bounced off the post and in off the keepers head. Big difference - No silly run up.0 -
We lost the game sitting back and defending a one goal lead, had we continue to press in the second half we could have won the game in normal time.
Both the Italian centre half’s were on a yellow and had to be careful however we never laid a glove on them.
Poor decisions cost us this game not just the penalties.13 -
I will never understand how Sterling was not ahead of Sancho.
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Has barely taken a penalty in his careerLaddick01 said:I will never understand how Sterling was not ahead of Sancho.
Sancho on the other hand has come off the back of a strong season in the Bundesliga and arguably should have played more0 -
Sancho has an excellent penalty record and Sterling doesn’t.Laddick01 said:I will never understand how Sterling was not ahead of Sancho.1 -
Its a percentages game.ForeverAddickted said:Out of curiosity... If Rashford missed because he wasn't on for long enough
Did Mbappe miss because he was on the pitch for too long?
Rashford coming on for 2 mins tops lowers the chance of him scoring.
I guarantee no one that watched Rashford during that walk up and penalty stance thought he was scoring. He stood there for so long after the ref blew the whistle before he took it.
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I assume with a keeper of old dino-ramas size, the best way of scoring your pen is hitting it as hard as possible. You go with a softly placed pen and he goes the right way, he is saving it all day long.2
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Pressure and experience cannot be understatedCallumcafc said:
Sancho has an excellent penalty record and Sterling doesn’t.Laddick01 said:I will never understand how Sterling was not ahead of Sancho.1 -
Italy were bang average, but we shrunk into our shell and let them run the game for too long. I'll sober up and calm down tomorrow, but those 3 penalties were all awful. Just put your foot through it.3
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People can miss for all sorts of reasons. It is the nature of penalties. What frustrates me the most is that we have a great penalty keeper. We are not talking about a Shilton who was too old or a Hart who was so hyped up he dived before the takers touched the ball. But it isn't about blame, it is just what might have been. Although I would like us take a more scientific approach to the art of shoot outs for the World Cup.ForeverAddickted said:Out of curiosity... If Rashford missed because he wasn't on for long enough
Did Mbappe miss because he was on the pitch for too long?0 -
For the millionth time, because he’s shit at them. He’s taken 5 penalties in his career and missed 3. City can’t buy a penalty goal and he still doesn’t get near them. Sancho has scored 10 pens in his career and missed 1.Laddick01 said:I will never understand how Sterling was not ahead of Sancho.2 -
I don’t think that really counts for much. If you’re good at penalties, you’re good at penalties. Just because your pen wasn’t saved doesn’t mean the pressure moment got to you. Sometimes the keeper just guesses the right way and it’s unlucky.Laddick01 said:
Pressure and experience cannot be understatedCallumcafc said:
Sancho has an excellent penalty record and Sterling doesn’t.Laddick01 said:I will never understand how Sterling was not ahead of Sancho.
Besides, there is an argument to be made about the vibrancy of youth and the fact that Saka has been fearless all tournament. So why not lean into that?0 -
Has Southgate said he picked the 1st 5 takers?MuttleyCAFC said:
You make it sound easy. Southgate picked the takers so it is unfair to say players hid. Somebody has to lose. It is frustrating that we missed 3 out of 5 although Pickford was brilliant I thought. His second save was as good a penalty save as you will see. if your keeper saves 2 out of 5, he has more than done his job.orpingtonRED said:
Acclimatise? They only had to take a penalty at Wembley not the himalayas 😀.they stepped up and others hid.Fanny Fanackapan said:PWR.
Very poor decision by GS to give pen kicks to the 3 youngsters , esp the 2 that had barely had time to acclimatise.
Hope he learns from this bitter experience.
I wasn't making out it's easy just saying pro footballers don't need to play for 10mins to acclimatise before taking a pen.1 -
Yet I doubt he could’ve take. A worse pen than Sancho.Garrymanilow said:
For the millionth time, because he’s shit at them. He’s taken 5 penalties in his career and missed 3. City can’t buy a penalty goal and he still doesn’t get near them. Sancho has scored 10 pens in his career and missed 1.Laddick01 said:I will never understand how Sterling was not ahead of Sancho.0 -
Rashford and Sancho are on paper in our top 5 penalty takers.2
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Hes out of form and the manager should of told him no mate Not todaySELR_addicks said:
You think rashford would have sliced his penalty if he'd actually touched the ball more than once in the game?orpingtonRED said:
You come out with some crackers, this is your best yet.SELR_addicks said:The players don't deserve any criticism for the penalties. They shouldn't have been put in that position with only 2 touches on the ball during the game. And such a young player to take such a pressured penalty.
A pen is a pen, you really should not need match fitness to take a pen.
There's a reason subs take 5-10 mins to get into the game.1
