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England v Italy - THE FINAL - Match Thread

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  • I'm going to put 1-1 on my Euro's wall chart with no mention of pens at all.  Italy v England draw, trophy shared. 

    How can I shut my eyes when I see Rashford, Sancho and Saka making such feeble efforts. 

    Feel sorry for the 55 and overs who may have lost their last chance of success.


    Ah but we have had ours in '66 something you may never see !
  • I’m adamant that the better team didn’t win. We let them win.
    100%
  • At 40 years old I am aware this could have been my snatch at seeing an England team win something. Alas Southgate isn't to blame, that poxy experienced Italian manager and the weird tactical advantage going a goal behind gives you is to blame. 

    I'd rather we hadn't sat back so much but, but a key strength of this side is playing on the break. Our problem was we didn't move the ball quick enough in the second half when we could have broken. Not just that, playing on the break against any Italian side is a thankless task let alone against an Italian side that also adore playing a high press pretty successfully 

    Anyway how good was Maguires penalty? What resilience from a human being. The guy has put up with all the media bullshit thrown his way time and time again and shown incredible emotional intelligence to not beat a "journalist" to death with his boots 
  • I'm going to put 1-1 on my Euro's wall chart with no mention of pens at all.  Italy v England draw, trophy shared. 

    How can I shut my eyes when I see Rashford, Sancho and Saka making such feeble efforts. 

    Feel sorry for the 55 and overs who may have lost their last chance of success.


    Er, the 55s and over were about when we won the World Cup. It doesn’t get better than that kiddo.
  • Fuck sake 
  • I mean fuck the football
    Before the game as the players had a stroll and were  leaving the pitch Grealish grabbed SCP and pointed up to not far away where we had our Charlton flag and I did a bit of worshipping of the Charlton god .
    he then pointed to another Charlton flag over the other side . I love SCP 
    Scenes for the goal 
    refused to celebrate any penalty too madly cos never felt comfortable with us , especially when he brought the penalty takers on (proper miserable Cnut I am) …
    still that’s the Europa Cup/ League Cup/Euros tinpot rather than the real deal Champions League/FA Cup World Cup 



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  • I'm just so sorry. What a gutting way to lose. But so much to be proud of and so much to look forward to next winter. 
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    Best penalties: Bonucci (99%) and Maguire (98%)

    Worst penalties: Bernadeschi (59%) and Saka (60%)

    Sancho’s penalty had a better probability of going in than Kane’s one (76% vs 75%).

    Expected penalty score: Italy 3.8 - 3.1 England
  • Watching, say, Italy and Germany tournament after tournament  they seem to exude their Italianness and Germanness. And this force of collective personality and identity is a significant factor in winning tournaments (it seems) And the same with Argentina.

    With the exception of, say,  France (when every member of their cup winning squads were effectively the best players in the world iat that time in their respective positions) I see that a team missing national identity and character falls short at the business end of International tournaments. What do others think? 


  • Best penalties: Bonucci (99%) and Maguire (98%)

    Worst penalties: Bernadeschi (59%) and Saka (60%)

    Sancho’s penalty had a better probability of going in than Kane’s one (76% vs 75%).

    Expected penalty score: Italy 3.8 - 3.1 England
    Don't give a monkey's about 'Stats'. Kane's penalty was perfect. No way was that getting saved.
    Sancho's was saved.
  • Solid post @Chunes
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  • edited July 2021
    Italy lack a Kane like Striker but they played with a high line and passed superbly. Was there an opportunity to try to get behind them more? I think there was, but you can also see why we may have backed ourselves to hold out. In all honesty, Southgate was not going to change his approach and we came close. None of us will remember us going that close before.

    I am all for making Southgate a sir, but I have to admit, I wouldn't be upset if somebody else, a more front foot manager, was in charge for Qatar.
  • Hard to criticise Southgate whose caution steered us into the final. 

    I wish though in the second half when we were being outgunned he'd have thrown that caution to the wind.  Every time we lost the ball we slipped back into zonal areas and allowed them to set up again, if we ventured into their half, they were on us and stopped us by fair means or foul, whichever it took.  We had flair players on the bench, I'd love to have seen them given a chance.  If it didn't work, fair enough at least we'd have died with our boots on.  Grinding out the second half and extra time to the lottery of penalties is just so ... oh I dunno, English.    
    Grinding out the game for the lottery of penalties sounds like exactly what Italy did against Spain.

    Was a very unlucky goal to concede and who knows how things would have turned out with a ref willing to make a big decision. 

    Not slept for over 30 hours and have a 1,200 mile journey home, but, you know what, it was worth it. 
  • We’re not Positive enough, we’ll go on getting bad results, oh Jimmy Hill, why did you say those words, I can’t get them out of my head!
  • se9addick said:

    Surprised he’s not got Saka’s shirt!


  • Major said:
    Maybe, instead of virtue signalling with all the trendy 'woke' messaging throughout the tournament, the England manager had, when it mattered, focused on football matters, he might have remembered the effect of all the pressure he felt when he missed his penalty and not relied on stats from training but actually thought about the situation he sent the kids into.

    Maybe he thought about the pressure on players who didn’t really want to take one and went with the nest five who had put their hats into the ring 
  • MrOneLung said:
    We have got a World Cup next year before this team even peaks in the next euros 

    Southgate is getting us there

    Semi Final
    Runners Up

    next stage - Qatar 

    I think we need to calm down on the World Cup talk. Brazil and Argentina will also be there. We’re heading in the right direction though and even the recent Germany team lost two semi finals and a final before winning something.
  • LoOkOuT said:
    Scoring so early shocked Italy, but it shocked England too. Italy had no option but to recover with time to do so. If we could have another couple of early opportunities and a bit of luck, it could have opened up into a different game. Italy dragged us back into a chess match and we lost all forward momentum. It’s was a bit like an MMA match where the striker got an early, surprise knock down, but then found it hard to land strikes and was taken to the mat and ground down for the remaining rounds. 

    On a positive note, this young team will have learnt a lot about winning, as well as what it takes on big occasions. Stick with them.
    They were vulnerable the first 20 minutes but we didn’t take advantage. It was all Italy after that. 
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