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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)
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The starting 11 I'd rate at being the same as the one that finished last season.
Gilbey - B2B(ish)
pratson - Ball winnerJFC - B2B
So far this season we have better balance,
Morgan -passer
Dobson - Ball winner
Clare - B2B
Younger, fitter better. And we still have Gilbey and JFC.
Midfield +1 on last season
Forwards... We had 2.5 really, with Washington playing out wide most.of the time and Schwartz not fancied
Stockley
Aneke
Washington
Schwartz
As it stands we're heading into this season with, effectively, 2.
Stockley
Davisson
Washington
Schwartz
Washington is still 1st choice winger and Schwartz is busy running around a bit and doing sports science stuff.
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At least our subs won't be overly defensive from the first game to the end of the transfer window!
...they might not be overly attacking either
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Are Charlton signing Rob Thomas? Would be a smooth signing. Make it real, or else forget about it.addick1956 said:
What does he expect NA to do ? Rob Thomas and buy players or spend his money behind his back hoping he won't notice the new players.ButtleJR said:5 -
Forward -1 our top goal scorer. I know we’re working on transfers but atm we’re miles behind where I thought we’d be now.CL_Phantom said:The starting 11 I'd rate at being the same as the one that finished last season.
Gilbey - B2B(ish)
pratson - Ball winnerJFC - B2B
So far this season we have better balance,
Morgan -passer
Dobson - Ball winner
Clare - B2B
Younger, fitter better. And we still have Gilbey and JFC.
Midfield +1 on last season
Forwards... We had 2.5 really, with Washington playing out wide most.of the time and Schwartz not fancied
Stockley
Aneke
Washington
Schwartz
As it stands we're heading into this season with, effectively, 2.
Stockley
Davisson
Washington
Schwartz
Washington is still 1st choice winger and Schwartz is busy running around a bit and doing sports science stuff.
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I’m pretty certain it’s real and that’s not his first account. I doubt it’s a wind up because he’s been doing it for so long and other fans rarely interact. Can’t see many fake accounts going so long when they don’t get many bites. Probably muted or blocked by a lot of fans.ButtleJR said:
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Ignoring the tweet why is it clear NA hasn’t been given the funds promised? Regardless of budget if clubs are asking for £1m or £2m+ for good young L1 players then even Ipswich probably aren’t going to pay it.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
There are some crazy people out there.ButtleJR said:
Adkins came in, managed 10 games, lost 1. Clearly hasn't been given the transfer funds he was promised and there's plenty of stories/rumours about the budget being cut. But yes let's sack him!
I think the rumours about budget cuts are likely to be speculation which becomes accepted as the truth because it appears to fit what’s going on. If the budget really had been cut NA won’t be here long, he said himself he wanted the right job. He didn’t stay at Hull, another club who have had ownership issues.Most other clubs in the division are having the same problem. That suggests it’s caused by the market rather than the budget.
This year is very different to 10 years ago when we were able to sign Stephens, Green, Wiggins, Hamer and Morrison for a rumoured £1m between them. Transfer fees are higher, we’ve had the Euros and Copa America in the same summer, Brexit limiting signings from abroad, the impact of Covid and new owners at Ipswich and Wigan paying big wages.I’m expecting a busy end to the window across all leagues, including from us. Hopefully we’ll bring in a couple of exciting young permanent signings and end the speculation about budget cuts.31 -
There was a post on here last week from someone who had a contact within the club who said Nige was reportedly not overly impressed as the budget had been cut.Scoham said:
Ignoring the tweet why is it clear NA hasn’t been given the funds promised? Regardless of budget if clubs are asking for £1m or £2m+ for good young L1 players then even Ipswich probably aren’t going to pay it.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
There are some crazy people out there.ButtleJR said:
Adkins came in, managed 10 games, lost 1. Clearly hasn't been given the transfer funds he was promised and there's plenty of stories/rumours about the budget being cut. But yes let's sack him!
I think the rumours about budget cuts are likely to be speculation which becomes accepted as the truth because it appears to fit what’s going on. If the budget really had been cut NA won’t be here long, he said himself he wanted the right job. He didn’t stay at Hull, another club who have had ownership issues.Most other clubs in the division are having the same problem. That suggests it’s caused by the market rather than the budget.
This year is very different to 10 years ago when we were able to sign Stephens, Green Wiggins, Hamer and Morrison for a rumoured £1m between them. Transfer fees are higher, we’ve had the Euros and Copa America in the same summer, Brexit limiting signings from abroad, the impact of Covid and new owners at Ipswich and Wigan paying big wages.I’m expecting a busy end to the window across all leagues, including from us. Hopefully we’ll bring in a couple of exciting young permanent signings and end the speculation about budget cuts.
Of course it might be complete nonsense but after all it is a rumour and this is the rumour thread.1 -
So I guess, in an ideal world, a manager who loses/gets rid of half his squad in the close season would bring in just a few players, play a few games and see where the gaps really are and what type of players he then actually needs then start looking to bring them in rather than bring a load of players in and hope they all fit together. Obviously balancing that approach with a looming season start is the tricky part but if you can get a pretty decent team out for the first few games then having back up for spaces isn’t such a pressing urgency.0
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There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.1 -
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This side of the start of the season clubs and agents will be asking silly money for players because they know there will be mugs that will pay it. Come Saturday the window starts counting down and those clubs that desperately need to bring transfer fee money in or get a player off their payroll to survive, ie most clubs outside the PL, will begin to be more and more realistic in what they can get.Scoham said:There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.1 -
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Clubs will also be wanting to upgrade their squads, but will not be letting them go until they have replacements. The Premier League has been slow so far, but when they make their moves the market will liven up down the pyramid. As always.letthegoodtimesroll said:
This side of the start of the season clubs and agents will be asking silly money for players because they know there will be mugs that will pay it. Come Saturday the window starts counting down and those clubs that desperately need to bring transfer fee money in or get a player off their payroll to survive, ie most clubs outside the PL, will begin to be more and more realistic in what they can get.Scoham said:There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.
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My rumour is that football fans are impatient and people are too inclined to believe conspiracy theories because, in reality, life is mundane, confusing, and frustrating.35
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A good performance on and off the pitch on Saturday, live on Sky, might go a long way to opening up a few opportunities to getting some PL loans coming our way that might otherwise go elsewhereRedrobo said:
Clubs will also be wanting to upgrade their squads, but will not be letting them go until they have replacements. The Premier League has been slow so far, but when they make their moves the market will liven up down the pyramid. As always.letthegoodtimesroll said:
This side of the start of the season clubs and agents will be asking silly money for players because they know there will be mugs that will pay it. Come Saturday the window starts counting down and those clubs that desperately need to bring transfer fee money in or get a player off their payroll to survive, ie most clubs outside the PL, will begin to be more and more realistic in what they can get.Scoham said:There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.1 -
To be honest I don’t want more than one PL youngster. Much prefer to get some experienced but surplus Championship loans in. Adkins needs players that can regularly start not ones that are just arriving for experience. There are always exceptions of course but that’s what I’d prefer as a strategy.3
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Clough did that at Derby...addick1956 said:
What does he expect NA to do ? Rob Thomas and buy players or spend his money behind his back hoping he won't notice the new players.ButtleJR said:1 -
So is Rob Thomas signing or not?
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Hope so. Some clubs may have a few players they could sell but might only need to sell one. We probably need a long list of options per position to work through as we’ll likely be competing with several clubs for the same players.letthegoodtimesroll said:
This side of the start of the season clubs and agents will be asking silly money for players because they know there will be mugs that will pay it. Come Saturday the window starts counting down and those clubs that desperately need to bring transfer fee money in or get a player off their payroll to survive, ie most clubs outside the PL, will begin to be more and more realistic in what they can get.Scoham said:There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.0 -
Some people across social media are now saying that because NA didn't smile much, if at all, in yesterday's post match press conference, that obviously something is wrong and it must be the lack of signings and TS not keeping his promises!
Forget the fact he is just recovering from Covid!
There seems to be theories popping up everywhere about our lack of incomings, despite NA saying just yesterday we have bids in for players and waiting for the outcomes! If people just wait until the end of the transfer window then we can judge the success or otherwise!9 -
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Given what’s happened because of COVID I doubt there are that many clubs in a position to sign players. Finances are probably shot to pieces across the leagues. TS has brought stability and a boost to Charlton and he he has seen his main business put in a good performance. I suspect those two scenarios aren’t being matched at too many clubs at the moment, certainly not in our league and the ones where there has been some money thrown at the transfer budget look like they gone out and been spending it like kids in a sweet shop.Scoham said:
Hope so. Some clubs may have a few players they could sell but might only need to sell one. We probably need a long list of options per position to work through as we’ll likely be competing with several clubs for the same players.letthegoodtimesroll said:
This side of the start of the season clubs and agents will be asking silly money for players because they know there will be mugs that will pay it. Come Saturday the window starts counting down and those clubs that desperately need to bring transfer fee money in or get a player off their payroll to survive, ie most clubs outside the PL, will begin to be more and more realistic in what they can get.Scoham said:There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.1 -
I should imagine the lack of depth concerns Adkins also.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Jac_52 said:RodneyCharltonTrotta said:mendonca said:Are we backing NA in the transfer market?
Just something does not seem right to me at the moment. You don't bring in an experienced and proven manager like him, get everybody on board about a huge rebuild. We have 3 "Senior" pros in Ronnie, Gilbey and Watson who have hardly played any pre-season minutes, let alone the new boys. The AMB situation still looms.
One thing NA wanted at the end of last season - to replace squad players with first team players and reduce the average age of the team. Recently Gallen mentioned how we might bring in some experienced players to help for a season or two. We might have grossly misread and understood the transfer market this season. I feel we have.
I think we are very unprepared and weaker than how we ended the season.
I think we're very prepared in terms of the actual football. I also don't think we're really weaker than last year. Our midfield is such a huge upgrade already in terms of mobility and playing style, we're just severely lacking depth.
Hope you're right mate and hope we have less injuries than we seemed to have past few years as the lack of depth really concerns me.
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Some clubs have taken out the monitored loans from the EPL. They either have to operate under a soft embargo or pay them back.Scoham said:
Hope so. Some clubs may have a few players they could sell but might only need to sell one. We probably need a long list of options per position to work through as we’ll likely be competing with several clubs for the same players.letthegoodtimesroll said:
This side of the start of the season clubs and agents will be asking silly money for players because they know there will be mugs that will pay it. Come Saturday the window starts counting down and those clubs that desperately need to bring transfer fee money in or get a player off their payroll to survive, ie most clubs outside the PL, will begin to be more and more realistic in what they can get.Scoham said:There was one I shared from Twitter but it was then pointed out where it likely came from which put doubts on how reliable it was.
As you say it might be complete nonsense, which is why I questioned why you said it was clear he hasn’t been given the budget he was promised. The lack of activity isn’t proof of that, it might simply be clubs, players and agents asking for a lot more than we want to pay. It would explain why so many other clubs also need several more signings.
If for example Crewe took one (I have no idea if they did or didn't) they would ideally only sell 1 or 2 of their assets and pay it back and will price their assets accordingly.
If they haven't generated the funds as 1st September edges nearer they may think they now have to sell 3 or even four to generate it and their asking price will dramatically drop.
We know both Wycombe and Pompey have take it or leave offers of about 200k on the table for players who's clubs want a million at the moment.5 -
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I don't have any inside knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes but if we go into the season with Leon Clarke 2.0 as our only senior striker I won't be impressed.5
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Where's all this Davison ".... struggled in League Two and even below" come from?SELR_addicks said:
Based on the fact he struggled in League Two and even below?BR7_addick said:
Based on? I’ve seen him play twice when he was 19, you? Davison is an untried and untested improving kid that our new manager deemed too good to loan out, you might be right, but you might wrong.thenewbie said:
Maybe not but I would take any of them instead of Davison frankly.BR7_addick said:
Good for them five strikers none of which id swap for Stockers 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻SELR_addicks said:
They have Edmundson, Chaplin and Fraser not in the squad.BR7_addick said:
One. Week. Before. Seasons. Starts. Teams. Usually. Start. Their. Best. XISELR_addicks said:
It. Is. A. Friendly.BR7_addick said:Ipswich all the rage on here of late and they have had what looks like a good window, but they’re starting either Bonne and Pigott up top today, are we really envious of that, really?!
Ipswich have Pigott, Bonne, Chaplin, Jackson and Norwood as potential strikers. I'm sure they'll be fine.
He played as the target man at Woking, laying off and bringing team mates into play. Scored 3 goals in 11 matches.
It was a short loan, only 11 or 12 weeks.
Promotion chasing League Two Forest Green Rovers were sufficiently impressed to bring Davison in as cover for their big main striker playing the target man role, in good form, scoring goals and never got injured. Rather than be restricted in appearances, Davison adapted to a different role.
In Davison's own words: “At Woking I was the target man, I’d be winning headers and holding the ball up from long balls. At Forest Green I’m asked to spin channels and play off our big striker. The experiences I’ve had this season have been great, helping me to learn different sides of the game. At Charlton I was always known for my work rate so hopefully I’m learning more than just that.”
https://www.valleygold.org.uk/2021/03/22/life-on-loan-josh-davison-on-his-loan-spells-at-woking-and-forest-green-rovers/
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It’ll be the lack of goals @Oggy Red, it’s not an impressive record if we’re going to use him for a promotion challenge in a higher division is it?
I need to be convinced about the rest of his game as well as his goalscoring, though I won’t write him off, he’s young enough to make big improvements in his game.2 -
Because Ipswich and Wigan are not in the same boat and 4 teams that didn't get promoted finished above us, plus the 3 teams that came down, you should argue probably had better squads than ours, so as it stands, with losing Chuks, JFC being injured, then we have a lot of ground to catch up!Todds_right_hook said:
If it’s a covid season and other teams are in the same boat, why have we got no chance of promotionsupaclive said:Thus is still a "Covid" season. With so many games in League 1 and such a thin squad, we have no chance of promotion as it stands.
The other teams in the same position as us will find the same thing. That's why we need a minimum of 6-8 signings, including loans in, very quickly.0 -
A bit disingenuous I feel. Stockley is better that Leon Clarke. He might not be my choice of "frontman" but he showed last season he's good with his head. Only problem is that we aren't great with crossing & have no plan B if hitting it to the big man doesn't work. I'd much prefer a smaller natural striker like BWP or Bent. We dont seem to have had one of those for years. Nearest one was probably Grant.SantaClaus said:I don't have any inside knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes but if we go into the season with Leon Clarke 2.0 as our only senior striker I won't be impressed.4 -
Fair enough, @Scoham ....... forwards are judged by many only on their goals scored. But as you suggest, these days there's more to a striker's role, creating moves and openings for others to score goals also.Scoham said:It’ll be the lack of goals @Oggy Red, it’s not an impressive record if we’re going to use him for a promotion challenge in a higher division is it?
I need to be convinced about the rest of his game as well as his goalscoring, though I won’t write him off, he’s young enough to make big improvements in his game.
And sometimes that role is from the bench, as we saw with Chuks last season.
I'm not really comparing Davison to Chuks, but Davison works hard, physical and can be a handful. If that results in team mates scoring goals then he's made a major contribution.
Most of our judgements on Davison are based on watching the raw and sometimes naive 19 year old Davison thrust into Championship matches long before he would have been ready, 2 years go. I feel Davison himself was trying to say, that his loan spells last season at 2 different clubs playing 2 different roles had expanded his all round game, awareness and development.
We'll be able to judge for ourselves, of course ...... but already he seems to have sufficiently impressed Adkins.
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Spotted some seriously exciting talent... 
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