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Rumours Rumours - Summer 2021 edition (Deadline Day from p814)

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  • Its lovely to see people are finally on the same wave length as me with the Schwartz penalty

    Am sure a lot always have been but felt at times as though I was solely banging my head against the wall when saying that the one particular moment against Oxford couldnt be used to define what happened last season.

    If anything you could look back at that moment, and perhaps the miss against Bristol Rovers as being signs where Ronnie just wasnt going to get any luck here at the club - Had he scored against the latter he'd have had two quick goals early in his Charlton career and he could well have ended up flying!!
    Agreed - butterfly effect and all that.

    But the Birmingham equalizer caused our demise in the Championship season ;-)
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  • Adkins wants tall players.
    Wiki says Lowery is 5ft 6 in.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Listened to the "Not The Top 20" podcast predictions and they go 
    1. Rotherham
    2. Ipswich
    3. Sunderland
    4. MK Dons
    5. Lincoln
    6. Charlton
    Was that recored before Martin went to Swansea? 
    Yes and they are massive Martin fans and were at pains to emphasise it was their "with Martin" prediction. I suspect running it again now they would be looking at top 10 rather than top 4, not just due to losing him but the week before the season as well.
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    I might be clutching at straws but it seems that the posters who saw through ESI from the start are very different from the posters who are panicking over our so-so summer signings. If there was an overlap between the two groups I'd be concerned.
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  • I might be clutching at straws but it seems that the posters who saw through ESI from the start are very different from the posters who are panicking over our so-so summer signings. If there was an overlap between the two groups I'd be concerned.
    How about...Posters that complained about season ticket prices and the fact in their opinion there was not  enough of an 'offer' on them and then those same posters complaining about TS not putting his hand in his pocket to build a strong enough team. How many of those are there ? Maybe there was no overlap. 
  • Leuth said:
    It really bugs me when people don't understand basic causality. If Schwartz had scored his penalty there's no saying what would have happened in later games
    People seem to forget that Stockley missed one v Peterbro 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.

    My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
    So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.
    What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔.  Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.  
    Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team. 
    You could make up what if's all day.

    What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)

    What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon

    What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?

    What if Bowyer had gone in February?

    What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.

    All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight. 
    Source?
  • So logic and facts rear up on the rumours thread again, well said @Dazzler21, let's hope the whole hindsight theory about penalty misses etc can be put to be bed, and we can get back to good old fashioned rumours,....anyone got anything... B)
  • What if there was a pitch invasion while no fans were allowed in. The list is endless.
  • edited August 2021
    Dazzler21 said:
    Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.

    My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
    So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.
    What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔.  Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.  
    Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team. 
    You could make up what if's all day.

    What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)

    What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon

    What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?

    What if Bowyer had gone in February?

    What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.

    All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight. 
    Had the penalty at Oxford been scored it would have been 1-0 as no time was left after really.  That is not conjecture. 1 point less for them, 2 more for us.

    My point is there were 3 instances where we took it away from ourselves. Not 1, not 2 but 3.
    Had Crewe not scored in the last minute at the Valley we'd have been in the Play-Offs

    They equalised that night with the last kick of the game... Swindon pretty much did the same when we played there
  • Cafc43v3r said:

    Would certainly take that, but honestly, I cannot see Sheffield, Wycombe, or particularly Rotherham being that low down.
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  • Dazzler21 said:
    Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.

    My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
    So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.
    What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔.  Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.  
    Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team. 
    You could make up what if's all day.

    What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)

    What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon

    What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?

    What if Bowyer had gone in February?

    What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.

    All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight. 
    Had the penalty at Oxford been scored it would have been 1-0 as no time was left after really.  That is not conjecture. 1 point less for them, 2 more for us.

    My point is there were 3 instances where we took it away from ourselves. Not 1, not 2 but 3.
    Had Crewe not scored in the last minute at the Valley we'd have been in the Play-Offs

    They equalised that night with the last kick of the game...
    Yes so that is 4 . Then there is Shrewsbury away too in the last minute. 
    Not to mention Oxford lost against Accrington | Northampton | Wimbledon after our draw - Had we beaten them thanks to Schwartz's penalty, whats to say they wouldnt have won those games as they'd have had a little more desperation about them
  • Adkins wants tall players.
    Wiki says Lowery is 5ft 6 in.
    We should be signing Highery.
  • Cafc43v3r said:


    Think I'd take that.
    Think? I'd take that no question.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Yes, but a riposte to Dazzler's throwaway line about Bowyer's mood change, which is subjective and no doubt tongue in cheek.

    My comment about Ronnie's miss is factual, in that if Ronnie had scored that, it would have been a 3 point swing against the team that made the playoffs. Just playing the hypothetical game.
    So are my examples. It always seems to be Ronnie miss that gets mentioned. Not the stockley or Washington ones.
    What if Bogle had taken the penalty at Gillingham and scored 🤔.  Then Washington could not have missed it but we wouldn't have known that was the play-off clincher.  
    Schwartz miss cost us 2 points against an eventual play-off team. 
    You could make up what if's all day.

    What if Schwartz scored his penalty (that was well saved)

    What if Oxford didn't have a man sent off giving away a silly and needless penalty against AFC Wimbledon

    What if James Henry had stayed on the pitch and assisted/scored another goal?

    What if Bowyer had gone in February?

    What if we had a rumours thread that stayed dedicated to rumours and not last seasons results, random barbecues and loads of other pointless shit.

    All the what-iffery in the world simply won't change the outcome because it is not reality... It is hindsight. 
    Had the penalty at Oxford been scored it would have been 1-0 as no time was left after really.  That is not conjecture. 1 point less for them, 2 more for us.

    My point is there were 3 instances where we took it away from ourselves. Not 1, not 2 but 3.
    We shot ourselves in the foot numerous times last season, the last minute goals handed to Swindon and shrewsbury.

    our squad needs strengthening, without question. We will be on the mix come may but we do need to stop the stupid individual errors that have cost us for 2 seasons running.
  • Didn't we get a last minute equaliser at home to Swindon?
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Oggy Red said:
    Listened to the "Not The Top 20" podcast predictions and they go 
    1. Rotherham
    2. Ipswich
    3. Sunderland
    4. MK Dons
    5. Lincoln
    6. Charlton
    Was that recored before Martin went to Swansea? 
    No 30 July. They actually said MK Dons prediction depended on keeping Martin.
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    iaitch said:
    Didn't we get a last minute equaliser at home to Swindon?
    Scored in the 90th minute, but still played a further six minutes

    We did however get a last min equaliser @ Accrington
  • I might be clutching at straws but it seems that the posters who saw through ESI from the start are very different from the posters who are panicking over our so-so summer signings. If there was an overlap between the two groups I'd be concerned.
    I suggest if you follow them on Twitter you'd be in for an unpleasant shock.....
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