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Post-match Thread: Charlton v Wigan — 21/8/2021
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That's the ball Morgan should be playing. Instead he too far up the pitch. Play Morgan like you would Shelvey.....further back.MattF said:12 -
I do respect your differing view, but for me he’s been around the 1st team and played enough games to know what is expected of him,and he still isn’t coming up with the goods. although a young man still, I don’t accept 21 is that young in footballing terms anymore. Last season he was offered out on loan I believe and nobody took him, so how is He being asked to be our most influential player?.I know it’s an extreme example, but you tell Bellingham he will come good at some point!!.MuttleyCAFC said:
I agree with some of the last part but he is 21 and could still come good. We are all frustrated as he should be on the bench at the moment, not our playmaker.paulfox said:
He isn’t good enough full stop. We also shouldn’t be hoping he learns on the job after lots of failed chances to impress, particularly in a team hoping for promotion. He wouldn’t be even close to 1st team football in any other promotion chasing side, and yet we seem to be pinning our hopes on him.( not me I may add, never have and never will). I sadly no longer hang on to the hope he proves me wrong as I don’t see it happening.😬MuttleyCAFC said:To be fair to Morgan, we were at home and you should have one holding midfielder and two attacking ones playing our formation. One of them ought to be occupying the space Morgan is/was and let him play higher. He is basically being asked to do too much and it isn't a given he can play the role with more help. He isn't to blame for not being the finished article.0 -
The buck stops with TS and then Gallen, Roddy and AtkinsSage said:The other week I said we needed 8 players of a certain quality to just be competitive near the higher end of the league.
We signed Kirk of that quality.
We now need 7 more.
It ain’t happening, and neither is being competitive this season.
We are so crap it’s hard to even explain.
Something has gone very wrong somewhere and whoever is responsible for that has to go. That’s where I am at right now.1 -
Nope, just don’t play Morgan!!, he’s not even close to shelvey.golfaddick said:
That's the ball Morgan should be playing. Instead he too far up the pitch. Play Morgan like you would Shelvey.....further back.MattF said:3 -
Very well said - Sandgard is clueless, based on a pathetic pre season lack of squad investmentMuttleyCAFC said:It isn't just about spending money. Duchatelet would have done a lot better giving Powell half the money he spent and let him get on with it. He was a clueless owner that thought he knew it.
If you are going to do what Brentford have done, you have to get the right players and they have to earn their place in the team. You just don't put them in because they are young and have potential. It may not be Sandgaard's plan, he may simply have money problems, but you maintain the strength of the squad at least as a starting point and the young players earn their places.0 -
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I think the real problem is that we do not have an experienced football man running the business.
The owner needs to appoint a good CEO to run the whole club, he can not possibly do it from the USA.
The club is a shambles both on and off the pitch. We are rudderless, nobody seems to be in charge many chiefs and not enough Indians, all building their own mini empires.
The sooner this happens the better but sadly I don’t think TS can see the wood from the trees and the people he has put his trust in are simply not good enough.18 -
That’s how to do it. Football’s a simple game really.MattF said:0 -
The Shinnie question keeps coming up, only because of how bad we're playing. We have to remember that the decision to let him go was when Gilbey was fit and was the preferred choice at the end of last season. Very few questioned letting Shinnie go at the time because of how well Gilbey turned around his season.EveshamAddick said:
1) for whatever reason, Adkins didn’t rate himDavo53 said:Why did we let Shinnie go, there was a player who could have been our number 10 a player with vision someone who could dictate play, someone who got forward and scored goals who could play that early ball down the side of the cbs . Instead of him we’ve got headless chickens in midfield who can run all day and night, but haven’t got a clue with the ball at their feet. Also when I said ts has got to get his wallet out and buy in pre season less bombarded with comments like , I like the way people spend other people’s money and other dickhead comments like that.
2) to save on the wage bill
I have to imagine they have been targeting a new attacking midfielder to come in, surely no one thought Morgan would suddenly be able to turn into one overnight, if they did then a serious question needs to be asked.0 -
I was resigned to missing next week’s Kerry v Tyrone game in the All Ireland Football.
Think I’ll go to the pub and watch that now.2 -
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What exactly has Adkins been doing since the MK game? That Wigan goal is identical. No excuse for that.3
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Absolutely spot on.Hartleypete said:I think the real problem is that we do not have an experienced football man running the business.
The owner needs to appoint a good CEO to run the whole club, he can not possibly do it from the USA.
The club is a shambles both on and off the pitch. We are rudderless, nobody seems to be in charge many chiefs and not enough Indians, all building their own mini empires.
The sooner this happens the better but sadly I don’t think TS can see the wood from the trees and the people he has put his trust in are simply not good enough.
I have worked for some great leaders in my time and their number one similarity was that they appointed good people into a proper structure and trusted them to do their jobs.
Funnily enough, I am working on a short term contract right now where the MD positions himself as the “Celebrity CEO” and micro manages everything and, as a result, the place is a fucking shambles and there are people getting paid $200,000 to delegate everything back to him.
Sandgaard has zero experience in football, none, nada, rien, zilch, fuck all - so how can he expect to run the club?
If I bought a a vineyard tomorrow I wouldn’t appoint myself as CEO, no matter how much I may want to, because I know nothing about the wine industry in the same way Sandgaard knows nothing about the football industry.8 -
They put in a few diagonal crosses that looked like potential goals as well. We were clueless.EveshamAddick said:
That’s how to do it. Football’s a simple game really.MattF said:
Kirk had a shot on target so I make that one in 180 minutes at home.0 -
Complaining that players are devoid of confidence after booing them 3 games in seems rather senseless. And before anyone says anything, I was at MK.4
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I wasn't surprised he didn't play him as Gilbey had the shirt but it did surprise me he wasn't on the bench a few times.redman said:
From memory Adkins didn't play him at the end of last season. My conclusion is he either didn't rate him or didn't want that type of player. Could be wrongMuttleyCAFC said:Adkins must have thought better than Shinnie was coming in because it is looking increasingly stupid letting him go.1 -
This sums everything up. Perfect descriptions of the issue at hand.Ormiston_Addick said:
Absolutely spot on.Hartleypete said:I think the real problem is that we do not have an experienced football man running the business.
The owner needs to appoint a good CEO to run the whole club, he can not possibly do it from the USA.
The club is a shambles both on and off the pitch. We are rudderless, nobody seems to be in charge many chiefs and not enough Indians, all building their own mini empires.
The sooner this happens the better but sadly I don’t think TS can see the wood from the trees and the people he has put his trust in are simply not good enough.
I have worked for some great leaders in my time and their number one similarity was that they appointed good people into a proper structure and trusted them to do their jobs.
Funnily enough, I am working on a short term contract right now where the MD positions himself as the “Celebrity CEO” and micro manages everything and, as a result, the place is a fucking shambles and there are people getting paid $200,000 to delegate everything back to him.
Sandgaard has zero experience in football, none, nada, rien, zilch, fuck all - so how can he expect to run the club?
If I bought a a vineyard tomorrow I wouldn’t appoint myself as CEO, no matter how much I may want to, because I know nothing about the wine industry in the same way Sandgaard knows nothing about the football industry.1 -
I think I've worked out the difference between Morgan raising one or both arms at corners.
One arm means he'll get it one foot off the ground.
Two arms means he'll get it two feet off the ground.17 -
Agree. I don't think it will solve problems over night but it would stop us making silly mistakes, unless the CEO is another meireOrmiston_Addick said:
Absolutely spot on.Hartleypete said:I think the real problem is that we do not have an experienced football man running the business.
The owner needs to appoint a good CEO to run the whole club, he can not possibly do it from the USA.
The club is a shambles both on and off the pitch. We are rudderless, nobody seems to be in charge many chiefs and not enough Indians, all building their own mini empires.
The sooner this happens the better but sadly I don’t think TS can see the wood from the trees and the people he has put his trust in are simply not good enough.
I have worked for some great leaders in my time and their number one similarity was that they appointed good people into a proper structure and trusted them to do their jobs.
Funnily enough, I am working on a short term contract right now where the MD positions himself as the “Celebrity CEO” and micro manages everything and, as a result, the place is a fucking shambles and there are people getting paid $200,000 to delegate everything back to him.
Sandgaard has zero experience in football, none, nada, rien, zilch, fuck all - so how can he expect to run the club?
If I bought a a vineyard tomorrow I wouldn’t appoint myself as CEO, no matter how much I may want to, because I know nothing about the wine industry in the same way Sandgaard knows nothing about the football industry.0 -
Could he afford a decent CEO now?
Think he's blown his budget on Roddy and Mumford.2 -
He hired Roddy to be in charge of everything football wise …….. which is where it’s all going wrongDamoNorthStand said:
This sums everything up. Perfect descriptions of the issue at hand.Ormiston_Addick said:
Absolutely spot on.Hartleypete said:I think the real problem is that we do not have an experienced football man running the business.
The owner needs to appoint a good CEO to run the whole club, he can not possibly do it from the USA.
The club is a shambles both on and off the pitch. We are rudderless, nobody seems to be in charge many chiefs and not enough Indians, all building their own mini empires.
The sooner this happens the better but sadly I don’t think TS can see the wood from the trees and the people he has put his trust in are simply not good enough.
I have worked for some great leaders in my time and their number one similarity was that they appointed good people into a proper structure and trusted them to do their jobs.
Funnily enough, I am working on a short term contract right now where the MD positions himself as the “Celebrity CEO” and micro manages everything and, as a result, the place is a fucking shambles and there are people getting paid $200,000 to delegate everything back to him.
Sandgaard has zero experience in football, none, nada, rien, zilch, fuck all - so how can he expect to run the club?
If I bought a a vineyard tomorrow I wouldn’t appoint myself as CEO, no matter how much I may want to, because I know nothing about the wine industry in the same way Sandgaard knows nothing about the football industry.4 -
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Play Morgan like Bow plays Chuks... on the benchgolfaddick said:
That's the ball Morgan should be playing. Instead he too far up the pitch. Play Morgan like you would Shelvey.....further back.MattF said:2 -
I’m pleased you’ve sussed it, I thought 1 was hit the 1st man, 2 was miss everyone and go out at the far post.Crusty54 said:I think I've worked out the difference between Morgan raising one or both arms at corners.
One arm means he'll get it one foot off the ground.
Two arms means he'll get it two feet off the ground.0 -
Was a dire game, no system of playing. When the highlight is the new keeper restricting them to just the two goals you know you’re in trouble.Although, the booing and jeering of Adkins personally I think is ridiculous. Our recruitment has been woefully short this summer, and after yet another owner coming in and promising the world, we should be directing the boos towards the directors box.0
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Alternatively. Boo in an envelope and post it to Coloradocafcbart92 said:Was a dire game, no system of playing. When the highlight is the new keeper restricting them to just the two goals you know you’re in trouble.Although, the booing and jeering of Adkins personally I think is ridiculous. Our recruitment has been woefully short this summer, and after yet another owner coming in and promising the world, we should be directing the boos towards the directors box.8 -
Too much money spent on vanity projects which could have been spent on our bread and butter.
Concentrate on the job in hand instead of side projects that can wait for another time and day
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JoshAddick said:Complaining that players are devoid of confidence after booing them 3 games in seems rather senseless. And before anyone says anything, I was at MK.
I actually felt sorry for the players. I sit right at the front of the covered end lower and they looked genuinely hurt by it and like lambs to the slaughter.
Thing is I don't think it's a bunch of players coasting along - in fact the opposite...they are absolutely trying their best it's just individually (for many) and collectively their best isn't good enough. Players like Stockley who don't stop putting their body on the line at both ends of the pitch must wonder what they're doing and what they have signed up for.
They don't strike me as a bunch of hard nut ...let's show these wanker fans and up our game but rather they will go further into their shells and lack confidence which will be a recipe for disaster.
Can't believe how early in a season a fanbase has turned on its players but it is symptomatic of the frustration and disbelief of the bullshit hype that was stirred up and a new dawn that sees an owner strutting around on the pitch to his new song whilst the squad resource appears to have been entirely neglected.
No one really believed the hyperbole of premier league in 5 years but at the same time the impression was given that we would be a competitive prospect and moving forwards football wise....not a backwards step and at best a ill thought out recruitment strategy or at worst complete incompetence/ neglectful squad building.
So whilst I didn't boo and hated seeing it and the reaction in the young players' faces I can understand why it happened.
Atmosphere felt toxic at the end of the game and it will take more than a tweet from TS asking fans to get behind the team to remedy it unfortunately.
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Yes I agree. Parky's team in that televised game was the lowest football can possibly getbromleyjohn said:
That second season in league one under Parkinson. That was some shit team.Bedsaddick said:I defy anyone to show me a squad of the past that is worse than this . How have they let it get this bad ?0 -
4 games in and I’m hoping my dog eats my season ticket so I don’t have to watch this dross again. Just need to buy a dog now.18
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Yes there is something definitely in that. Pros came here because Bowyer was a name and "a character". I'm not sure NA is really either. He's definitely the boardrooms man but is he the players' man?billysboots said:My observations from the ground were that we didn’t appear to have any movement in the team.When we had the ball at the back there was no-one showing for the ball and moving their markers out of position.So we went side to side and invariably failed to retain the ball or hoofed it long.Throw ins were like musical statues.We badly miss a player to keep the midfield ticking . Picking the ball up from the back for , playing one two’s - just being in the right place at the right time.Our Full backs today hardly got into the oppo half.We have no pace across the side.Positives - Kirk looked dangerous . Stockley tried hard but has no gas , keeper made 4 really good saves.All is not lost , but something is definitely wrong behind the scenes.Gallen and Bowyer had a succession of decent signings with a small budget from RD, so what is so different now ? Ok they also had some ropey ones as well, but we haven’t seen players if the Calibre of Cullen , Gallagher , Bilik etc
Perhaps players would to move to play under Bowyer but maybe not Adkins ?Did TS a think that he would retain last years players when he made his upbeat comments about promotion ?I don’t know what’s up , but something isn’t right.1 -
I said EXACTLY this need for the squad a week ago. How is it WE know what is needed but the club don't?DamoNorthStand said:
1) Macgillivraymogodon said:Just out of interest, how many players short do people think we are of being a decent side for this division
2) Matthews or Gunter
3) NEW
4) NEW DCM
5) Inniss
6) Famewo (but need another option to keep them on their toes)
7) NEW CM
8) NEW ACM
9) Kirk
10) Stockley
11) NEW WINGER
5 starters plus two or three strong options to push them from the bench.
Clare and Dobson should be squad players along with Watson. Don’t know enough on CBT but will continue to assume a squad option.2
