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Maybe, but it was in relation to earlier comments on this threadWheresmeticket? said:
I disagree but I think the HOC site is the place for this.PrincessFiona said:I don't think people are aware of what people really think, as most people are afraid to express what they actually think. The situation on this thread has demonstrated how dangerous accusations (unfounded) can be made, so people keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves.
That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.
The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)0 -
"You" against the crazy pc nutters all around you, right?addick19 said:
Don't feel paranoid because you are far from alone. There are more of us than you think.limeygent said:Interesting that this popped up on facebook today...." I am confusedI used to think that I was just a regular bloke.I was born white, which now, whether I like it or not, makes me a racist.My politics is right of centre, which makes me a racist..I am heterosexual, according to some gays and lesbians this now makes me homophobic.I am non-union which makes me a traitor to the working class, and an ally of big business.I am non religious , which now labels me as an islamophobe.I am older than forty, which means I have no right to vote according to most students.I think I reason, therefore I doubt much that the mainstream media tells me, which must make me a reactionary.I am proud of my heritage, and our inclusive British culture, which now makes me a xenophobe.I value my safety, and that of my family, and I appreciate the police and the legal system, which makes me a right-wing extremist.I believe in hard work, fair play, and fair compensation according to each individuals merits, which makes me an anti-socialist.I believe in the defence and protection of the homeland, for and by all citizens, which now makes me a militant.Please help me come to terms with the new me... because I'm just not sure who I am anymore.I would love to thank my family and friends, for sticking with me through these abrupt new found changes in my life, and my thinking.I just can't imagine or understand what's happened to me, and so quickly.Funny it's all seemed to have happened to me over the last seven or eight years.As if all this wasn't enough to deal with, I'm now afraid to go into either toilet."Strange times we are living in...
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Were you in Scotland for their referendum? I can’t recall hearing anything about this.PrincessFiona said:I don't think people are aware of what people really think, as most people are afraid to express what they actually think. The situation on this thread has demonstrated how dangerous accusations (unfounded) can be made, so people keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves.
That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.
The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)0 -
Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
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My wife has recently been the victim of a false racist claim, it's been a horrible experience. She does not have a racist bone in her body and has been extremely upset by it all, plus the time it has taken and the expense to defend herself against the claim has been something we could have done without.
Thankfully she has cleared her name and the offender was found guilty but it has opened our eyes just how easy it is to get caught out in situations like this.19 -
glad that it all got sorted and hopefully she can put it behind hereaststandmike said:My wife has recently been the victim of a false racist claim, it's been a horrible experience. She does not have a racist bone in her body and has been extremely upset by it all, plus the time it has taken and the expense to defend herself against the claim has been something we could have done without.
Thankfully she has cleared her name and the offender was found guilty but it has opened our eyes just how easy it is to get caught out in situations like this.6 -
Am I right in remembering that Southall or his wife claimed that anger and abuse directed at him was down to racism within the fanbase?0
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Yes they did! Makes my blood boil. That argument doesn't quite fit with the hero's welcome that piece of scum received at his first home match post 'take-over' does it?SantaClaus said:Am I right in remembering that Southall or his wife claimed that anger and abuse directed at him was down to racism within the fanbase?1 -
Yes. And I had a voteiainment said:
Were you in Scotland for their referendum? I can’t recall hearing anything about this.PrincessFiona said:I don't think people are aware of what people really think, as most people are afraid to express what they actually think. The situation on this thread has demonstrated how dangerous accusations (unfounded) can be made, so people keep their true thoughts and feelings to themselves.
That is why so many polls are wrong and people vote etc. differently to what is 'expected'.
The Scottish Referendum was an example of this when Remain in the Union voters were scared to speak out, notably because of the vitriol and criminal damage. Brexit and the last election too (although not so the vitriol)1 -
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
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Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.3 -
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.3 -
Folks, I'm backPrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.9 -
I won’t write any more because I am supposed to avoid topics like this.
However you might reflect on your use of the words ‘they’, and ‘leniently’ and the term ‘dealt with’, and consider whether that language would go without challenge if it were applied to a black, or Asian, or Oriental person.
I shall say no more.16 -
I'm presuming it's poor choice of words but I have to say that talking about people from a certain background (any background) "not being dealt with as they should be" is frankly a very disturbing turn of phrase.7
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Why are you supposed to avoid topics like this?seth plum said:I won’t write any more because I am supposed to avoid topics like this.
However you might reflect on your use of the words ‘they’, and ‘leniently’ and the term ‘dealt with’, and consider whether that language would go without challenge if it were applied to a black, or Asian, or Oriental person.
I shall say no more.
What is wrong with using the word 'they' when referring to any group, be it a minority (or the players in a team for example), 'dealt with' is a common phrase regarding interactions with the police and 'leniently' is a word that could be applied the treatment of anyone, whatever their ethnicity, gender
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Another common phrase regarding interactions with the police might be ‘helped by’, or ‘protected by’.PrincessFiona said:
Why are you supposed to avoid topics like this?seth plum said:I won’t write any more because I am supposed to avoid topics like this.
However you might reflect on your use of the words ‘they’, and ‘leniently’ and the term ‘dealt with’, and consider whether that language would go without challenge if it were applied to a black, or Asian, or Oriental person.
I shall say no more.
What is wrong with using the word 'they' when referring to any group, be it a minority (or the players in a team for example), 'dealt with' is a common phrase regarding interactions with the police and 'leniently' is a word that could be applied the treatment of anyone, whatever their ethnicity, gender
A dangerous precedent.
Leniently used alone is harmless, but adding the two words ‘far too’ changes the way that term is utilised.
In terms of ‘they’ when talking about any group, well above I have already differentiated two apparently distinctive types of traveller, you could add to that ‘new age’ travellers too, and possibly some other categories of non fixed house dwellers too like the growing number of van life people. I wonder if you see all of those as one group.
Incidentally I am supposed to avoid topics like this because of the dozen or so pile on provocateurs who wish to get me banned again, and who will prod and generally behave in a snide way.10 -
why 'help by' or 'protected by' or do you just see the role of the police to help and protect them rather than all the areas that policing covers?seth plum said:
Another common phrase regarding interactions with the police might be ‘helped by’, or ‘protected by’.PrincessFiona said:
Why are you supposed to avoid topics like this?seth plum said:I won’t write any more because I am supposed to avoid topics like this.
However you might reflect on your use of the words ‘they’, and ‘leniently’ and the term ‘dealt with’, and consider whether that language would go without challenge if it were applied to a black, or Asian, or Oriental person.
I shall say no more.
What is wrong with using the word 'they' when referring to any group, be it a minority (or the players in a team for example), 'dealt with' is a common phrase regarding interactions with the police and 'leniently' is a word that could be applied the treatment of anyone, whatever their ethnicity, gender
A dangerous precedent.
Leniently used alone is harmless, but adding the two words ‘far too’ changes the way that term is utilised.
In terms of ‘they’ when talking about any group, well above I have already differentiated two apparently distinctive types of traveller, you could add to that ‘new age’ travellers too, and possibly some other categories of non fixed house dwellers too like the growing number of van life people. I wonder if you see all of those as one group.
Incidentally I am supposed to avoid topics like this because of the dozen or so pile on provocateurs who wish to get me banned again, and who will prod and generally behave in a snide way.
I used 'they' because the group being discussed had already been established and it is not necessary to keep repeating the collective noun and use 'they' instead.
You banned? I can't think why!5 -
The problem with these type of threads is that you always need a lawyer present to read through what you have written before you click post.3
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AllegedlyKarim_myBagheri said:The problem with these type of threads is that you always need a lawyer present to read through what you have written before you click post.12 - Sponsored links:
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Feeling the calm while people are writing their post and reading it through thoroughly before hitting the point of not return, otherwise known as the "Post Comment" button3
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"My understanding is that the general consensus". Nonsense. My understanding is that you are looking for a platform to promote a particular set of beliefs and think this thread is as good an opportunity as any to get them out there.PrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.1 -
I didn't read the original post that at all, however, people looking to make problems searched for holes in his original post to make an issue.Wheresmeticket? said:
"My understanding is that the general consensus". Nonsense. What general consensus, and where do you get your information from? My understanding is that you are looking for a platform to promote a particular set of prejudices and think this thread is as good an opportunity as any.PrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.0 -
That may well be the general consensus but it just indicates the amount of racism in our society. I can remember seeing "No travellers" signs in pubs in Lewisham less than 25 years ago, which would never have happened with any other ethnic group. One of my Traveller mates has described how when the police came to his home they were slagging off his mum and being totally disrespectful just to get him to respond so they could nick him or kick him in or both. He gets stopped all the time and regularly attacked by either cops or racists.PrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.
I suspect the general consensus 30-40 years ago was that black people were inherently criminal. Assuming that one ethnic group is all going to behave in one way is kind of the textbook definition of racism - you're not seeing the people only the stereotype.
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I've got a 'while walking my dog' half baked theory here, Which will welcome any contributions and fixes.
Say there is racial 'order' (for the sake of the argument ) in which some are privileged and others are downtrodden. Then in parallel there is class/economic order of which some are benefactors and others are victims of (for lack of a better term - capitalism ). If you or I are on top in the first 'order', we are expecting to be on top in the 2nd one too, and usually this is the case. However, many of us see very little in a way of benefit from being privileged in the first order, cause we are dwelling at the bottom of the 2nd. We then turn around and protest that we are not privileged at all !!!
Oh but we still are...
The (relatively) rare opposite is also possible, and I would also class those who benefit as privileged...0 -
I was only referring to PFs posts, not the original poster, although I also asked a few questions about that.cafcdave123 said:
I didn't read the original post that at all, however, people looking to make problems searched for holes in his original post to make an issue.Wheresmeticket? said:
"My understanding is that the general consensus". Nonsense. What general consensus, and where do you get your information from? My understanding is that you are looking for a platform to promote a particular set of prejudices and think this thread is as good an opportunity as any.PrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.
Anyway I'm out. I thought a separate page had been set up for political discussion, which I don't go on because it just winds me up, so I will have to resist the temptation to click on this thread that seems to have survived on the main forum for some reason.3 -
Nope, it is my understanding. You can disagree with it, but it is my opinion that that is the general consensus. It is also my experience (though a statistical-based piece of work), but that is another matter. If I really wanted to get any beliefs out there, no disrespect, but I would look wider than CLWheresmeticket? said:
"My understanding is that the general consensus". Nonsense. My understanding is that you are looking for a platform to promote a particular set of beliefs and think this thread is as good an opportunity as any to get them out there.PrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.0 -
I was referring to PF's original post that was then made to look like it was something more than, i believe, it was.Wheresmeticket? said:
I was only referring to PFs posts, not the original poster, although I also asked a few questions about that.cafcdave123 said:
I didn't read the original post that at all, however, people looking to make problems searched for holes in his original post to make an issue.Wheresmeticket? said:
"My understanding is that the general consensus". Nonsense. What general consensus, and where do you get your information from? My understanding is that you are looking for a platform to promote a particular set of prejudices and think this thread is as good an opportunity as any.PrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.
Anyway I'm out. I thought a separate page had been set up for political discussion, which I don't go on because it just winds me up, so I will have to resist the temptation to click on this thread that seems to have survived on the main forum for some reason.
but you're right, it shouldn't get dragged down that road.0 -
Yes, thanks goodness the general consensus in the past has moved on - not that there isn't room for improvement As well some realism and acceptance of things some people don't want.
That may well be the general consensus but it just indicates the amount of racism in our society. I can remember seeing "No travellers" signs in pubs in Lewisham less than 25 years ago, which would never have happened with any other ethnic group. One of my Traveller mates has described how when the police came to his home they were slagging off his mum and being totally disrespectful just to get him to respond so they could nick him or kick him in or both. He gets stopped all the time and regularly attacked by either cops or racists.
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should be
Could be true.
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.
I suspect the general consensus 30-40 years ago was that black people were inherently criminal. Assuming that one ethnic group is all going to behave in one way is kind of the textbook definition of racism - you're not seeing the people only the stereotype.
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rananegra said:
That may well be the general consensus but it just indicates the amount of racism in our society. I can remember seeing "No travellers" signs in pubs in Lewisham less than 25 years ago, which would never have happened with any other ethnic group. One of my Traveller mates has described how when the police came to his home they were slagging off his mum and being totally disrespectful just to get him to respond so they could nick him or kick him in or both. He gets stopped all the time and regularly attacked by either cops or racists.PrincessFiona said:
My understanding is that the general consensus that they are not treated fairly by the police and local authorities - that they are treated far too leniently and not dealt with as they should beseth plum said:
Could be true.PrincessFiona said:
Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities???rananegra said:Blimey, what a thread. Hope WIWALB gets some resolution.
On the "white people can't be victims of racism" stuff, I'd go along with the idea that prejudice is what most white people face in those sort of uncomfortable situations in the UK because racism implies a degree of power. But Jews and Travellers are also white, and I think it's wrong to say that what they experience isn't racism. In particular, Travellers experience of policing is similar to other ethnic minorities.
Nor does the other side of the coin hold true - that people from a minority heritage can't be racist when given the power - because no one's going to convince me that Priti Patel isn't a racist.
In terms of skin colour it doesn’t matter if travellers have white skin, they are sometimes victims of similar ‘othering’ than non white people. There are some who categorise travellers into ‘true Romanys’ (sp?)=good, and Irish ‘pikey’ travellers =bad.
It does not go unnoticed that the Irish angle is mentioned, it taps in to centuries old anti Irish racism. However for the majority of Irish or Irish heritage people their skin colour can help them keep their identity on the down low, and therefore avoid the hatred that is based on the way they look.
I suspect the general consensus 30-40 years ago was that black people were inherently criminal. Assuming that one ethnic group is all going to behave in one way is kind of the textbook definition of racism - you're not seeing the people only the stereotype.
There was a pub in Lincoln that had a "no travellers" sign.Said pub was called The Travellers Rest.
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