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Petrol Supply Problems
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Really?Addickted said:
Because your proposals were "One aim might be to have appropriate compensation for fallow involuntary lay over periods (akin to paying visiting care workers for their time and travel between jobs) and another aim could be to secure proper toilet and washing/shower facilities at truck stop sites", which are not even mentioned by this Trades Union.seth plum said:
Why a shame? They read like good aims.Addickted said:
Shame, as their aims are;seth plum said:The United Road Transport Union is out there for the guys who drive HGV vehicles for a living, if they wish to join and organise together for better pay and conditions.
It costs £16.22 per month for the most comprehensively qualified drivers.
One aim might be to have appropriate compensation for fallow involuntary lay over periods (akin to paying visiting care workers for their time and travel between jobs) and another aim could be to secure proper toilet and washing/shower facilities at truck stop sites.It is our intention to improve pay and working conditions throughout the industry.
We want recognition of the vital contribution that the road transport industry and professional drivers in particular, make to the nation's economy.
We want to ensure all those who employ road haulage, distribution and logistics workers understand their responsibility to provide a safe and healthy working environment.
We want equality of opportunity for both existing workers and those seeking to join the road haulage, distribution and logistics industry regardless of age, colour, gender, sexual orientation, religion or creed.
We want to ensure, as far as is practicable, that appropriate opportunities exist in the road haulage, distribution and logistics industry for those who experience any form of disability.
The first aim you quoted was to improve pay and working conditions. Two of the things I specifically mentioned.0 -
Cant give it a rest can they.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>4 -
£30k Nissan LeafAddickted said:
As he drove off in his £100k Tesla company car.Rothko said:
Saw a EV driver pointing and laughing at those in the queue this morning.seth plum said:Is there a relationship between drivers wanting full tanks and range anxiety for electric vehicle drivers, and even the desire to always have phones and tablets charged up?1 -
If there are problems getting petrol to petrol stations then there is a shortage to the end users. Just because the refineries and depots are full it doesn’t mean people can be sanguine.MrOneLung said:
@CharltonMadrid there are no petrol shortages. We have plenty.CharltonMadrid said:Does anyone know if this is a Europe-wide problem, like the shortage of HGV drivers? We haven't seen petrol shortages or panic buying here yet but wondered if it could be on its way. Haven't read all the way through the thread but what are the factors causing this in the UK?
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Reasons for fuel crisis need to be here though.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>
Don’t be an ostrich.8 -
And he was the one laughing?Rothko said:
£30k Nissan LeafAddickted said:
As he drove off in his £100k Tesla company car.Rothko said:
Saw a EV driver pointing and laughing at those in the queue this morning.seth plum said:Is there a relationship between drivers wanting full tanks and range anxiety for electric vehicle drivers, and even the desire to always have phones and tablets charged up?
160 mile range - if he's careful. I'll give him a wave on my way to Fleetwood next Saturday.
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Or people can discuss here the troubles of finding a petrol station where they fill upiainment said:
Reasons for fuel crisis need to be here though.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>
Don’t be an ostrich.
And if they want to get political they can go to the HoC and discuss on the relevant thread there?
Imagine a good number of people dont want to see threads turning political, because we've seen over countless other threads that posters on here just cant remain respectful and it'll just turn into a giant slagging match.8 -
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
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Griffin Road.guinnessaddick said:
What road are they going up? Riverdale or Purrett neither suitable for buses.iainment said:Because of the queue at a petrol station on Plumstead High Street they’re having to divert buses up to the common to get through to their destinations.
Who said there wouldn’t be Brexit chaos?0 -
BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
but its as you say not the only reason.2 -
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Are they going down Kings Highway then?iainment said:
Griffin Road.guinnessaddick said:
What road are they going up? Riverdale or Purrett neither suitable for buses.iainment said:Because of the queue at a petrol station on Plumstead High Street they’re having to divert buses up to the common to get through to their destinations.
Who said there wouldn’t be Brexit chaos?0 -
I’m sure he’ll live with his 240 mile range and less then a tenner to charge at homeAddickted said:
And he was the one laughing?Rothko said:
£30k Nissan LeafAddickted said:
As he drove off in his £100k Tesla company car.Rothko said:
Saw a EV driver pointing and laughing at those in the queue this morning.seth plum said:Is there a relationship between drivers wanting full tanks and range anxiety for electric vehicle drivers, and even the desire to always have phones and tablets charged up?
160 mile range - if he's careful. I'll give him a wave on my way to Fleetwood next Saturday.0 -
Not political really. Just a statement of fact that the Exodus of EU drivers has contributed to the mess we are in. Maybe Brexit had nothing to do with the exodus of EU Drivers ?However, only a real dumdum would deny that the exodus of EU Drivers has had no impact in creating current shortages. As a previous poster pointed out Mr Leave himself (Boris Johnson) who for months has refused to issue visas to EU Drivers has now U Turned.ForeverAddickted said:
Or people can discuss here the troubles of finding a petrol station where they fill upiainment said:
Reasons for fuel crisis need to be here though.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>
Don’t be an ostrich.
And if they want to get political they can go to the HoC and discuss on the relevant thread there?
Imagine a good number of people dont want to see threads turning political, because we've seen over countless other threads that posters on here just cant remain respectful and it'll just turn into a giant slagging match.1 -
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.3 -
Brexit is the elephant in the room in this discussion. I realise it’s unpalatable to the leavers on here but it’s, according to the haulage industry the second biggest problem in not having enough drivers. If it wasn’t explain exactly why the government are being forced into a u turn on relaxation of visa rules to get some Eastern European drivers in ?ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>9 -
Sorry chips. How can you talk about a problem without talking about the problem ???????Chippycafc said:
Cant give it a rest can they.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>7 -
Indeed. We’ve all discussed Covid and poor conditions for drivers in quite a civil manner, soon as you bring Brexit up people act like it’s their little sister and you can’t say anything about her, strange.Karim_myBagheri said:BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
but its as you say not the only reason.2 -
What if he's disabled, or has a hospital appointment, or has to visit a sick relative or requires medication or has an emergency amongst his family?
I'm sure you will live as you report some wanker smiling at other peoples problems no matter how petty they are.0 -
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?0 -
Brexit is for life not just for Christmas.4
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Who'd a thunk it. A guy on an internet forum knows more about HGV's and Logistics than the owners of HGV and Logistics companies.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.3 -
Maybe. I didn’t get that far. I was walking back up from the station to home.guinnessaddick said:
Are they going down Kings Highway then?iainment said:
Griffin Road.guinnessaddick said:
What road are they going up? Riverdale or Purrett neither suitable for buses.iainment said:Because of the queue at a petrol station on Plumstead High Street they’re having to divert buses up to the common to get through to their destinations.
Who said there wouldn’t be Brexit chaos?
On the way I was surprised to see that the Old Mill’s windows are boarded up. Apparently they were smashed on Thursday night.0 -
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?0 -
Experts !!! People have had enough of experts.BR7_addick said:
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?6 -
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior ManagementBR7_addick said:
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day1 -
It's really not like saying that. Politics is probably one of the only professions where people get appointed with no 'expertise' in the field that they're in charge of.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I'm pretty sure owners of Haulage firms know the haulage business in far greater detail than Gavin Williamson knows education or Pritti Patel knows immigration law.
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Williamson was mentioned tongue in cheek, hence why I then added Tony...lonman said:
It's really not like saying that. Politics is probably one of the only professions where people get appointed with no 'expertise' in the field that they're in charge of.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I'm pretty sure owners of Haulage firms know the haulage business in far greater detail than Gavin Williamson knows education or Pritti Patel knows immigration law.0 -
The senior management I work with went through all the tiers. How about a HGV boss who’s done that will that suffice?ForeverAddickted said:
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior ManagementBR7_addick said:
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day0 -
Regardless if you think this current shower we call a government could organise a bunk up in a brothel, I've got a bridge I can sell you.ForeverAddickted said:
Williamson was mentioned tongue in cheek, hence why I then added Tony...lonman said:
It's really not like saying that. Politics is probably one of the only professions where people get appointed with no 'expertise' in the field that they're in charge of.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I'm pretty sure owners of Haulage firms know the haulage business in far greater detail than Gavin Williamson knows education or Pritti Patel knows immigration law.2 -
Yeah that'll do... Who is it?BR7_addick said:
The senior management I work with went through all the tiers. How about a HGV boss who’s done that will that suffice?ForeverAddickted said:
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior ManagementBR7_addick said:
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day0
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