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Will EU drivers want to come here even if the rules are relaxed? If it is for a temporary period only, there isn't much incentive unless they are paid a very good wage to come here. They will have the problem of finding somewhere to rent at a time when rents are increasing and there is still the problem of there being insufficient places to take breaks. It may be necessary to give them a lump sum to attract them back to the UK.10
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Eddie Stobart ?ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah that'll do... Who is it?BR7_addick said:
The senior management I work with went through all the tiers. How about a HGV boss who’s done that will that suffice?ForeverAddickted said:
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior ManagementBR7_addick said:
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day0 -
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Have you got any quotes from him?lonman said:
Eddie Stobart ?ForeverAddickted said:
Yeah that'll do... Who is it?BR7_addick said:
The senior management I work with went through all the tiers. How about a HGV boss who’s done that will that suffice?ForeverAddickted said:
I certainly wouldnt listen to Senior ManagementBR7_addick said:
Is it though? Politicians and directors of companies are two different things.ForeverAddickted said:
Thats like saying that Gavin Williamson is a good judge of character when it comes to Education because he was in charge of it - How many people get into Senior roles yet dont have clue about what they're running.BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Or a certain Mr Keohane at the Valley perhaps?
I mean if you can’t take a HGV bosses word on HGV’s who’s word can you take?
Would rather listen to those a few tiers down who actually have sight on issues day to day0 -
Under the latest WLTP tests, Nissan quotes a range of 168 miles for the standard Leaf, and you can actually expect to see a range of around 160 miles in everyday use, in the summer at least: cold weather seriously limits EV range, and you might be lucky to get around 100 miles from a full charge when it's really chillyRothko said:
I’m sure he’ll live with his 240 mile range and less then a tenner to charge at homeAddickted said:
And he was the one laughing?Rothko said:
£30k Nissan LeafAddickted said:
As he drove off in his £100k Tesla company car.Rothko said:
Saw a EV driver pointing and laughing at those in the queue this morning.seth plum said:Is there a relationship between drivers wanting full tanks and range anxiety for electric vehicle drivers, and even the desire to always have phones and tablets charged up?
160 mile range - if he's careful. I'll give him a wave on my way to Fleetwood next Saturday.
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BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Well to be honest mate, I'd sooner go by my own lived experience, than listen to an angry "HGV boss's" political punditry on current affairs. But if we have to use "HGV bosses" for the answers, I'm sure you'll find a few that would give you other reasons
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They won’t be coming back, they were effectively told to fuck off home, and so they did. And why come back to a country where you’ll be treated like dirt and told to go home again when the papers want to turn on you againME14addick said:Will EU drivers want to come here even if the rules are relaxed? If it is for a temporary period only, there isn't much incentive unless they are paid a very good wage to come here. They will have the problem of finding somewhere to rent at a time when rents are increasing and there is still the problem of there being insufficient places to take breaks. It may be necessary to give them a lump sum to attract them back to the UK.16 -
Anyone want to have a dig at the Turkey farmer who says his business is stuffed (see what I did there ?) because he can’t get pluckers, packers, slaughter men and get his produce transported and blames 100% Brexit. What would he know about Turkey farming I wonder. Not much I suppose because he’s never been a Turkey perhaps ?8
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Well Turkey isnt even a Member of the EU anyway!!ShootersHillGuru said:Anyone want to have a dig at the Turkey farmer who says his business is stuffed (see what I did there ?) because he can’t get pluckers, packers, slaughter men and get his produce transported and blames 100% Brexit. What would he know about Turkey farming I wonder. Not much I suppose because he’s never been a Turkey perhaps ?2 -
They won't. Brexit it's the gift that keeps on giving. They'll have to bung them golden handshakes. It's a piss in the ocean though. They've bunged Nissan £millions to stay in Sunderland, they've had to bung the American company that owns our CO2 production £millions and Vauxhall at Ellesmere Port have had a handout too. As someone who's fairly insulated from surging costs, petrol prices blah blah blah I sit back with amusement as this government sends our country gurgling down an enormous shit hole. All in the name of becoming a 'sovereign nation' once again. Let's not forget his headline grabbing USA Trade Deal is dead in the water.ME14addick said:Will EU drivers want to come here even if the rules are relaxed? If it is for a temporary period only, there isn't much incentive unless they are paid a very good wage to come here. They will have the problem of finding somewhere to rent at a time when rents are increasing and there is still the problem of there being insufficient places to take breaks. It may be necessary to give them a lump sum to attract them back to the UK.16 -
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With the greatest respect. That is absolute nonsense.Gribbo said:BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Well to be honest mate, I'd sooner go by my own lived experience, than listen to an angry "HGV boss's" political punditry on current affairs. But if we have to use "HGV bosses" for the answers, I'm sure you'll find a few that would give you other reasonsSo anyone who you suspect voted remain you just ignore even if they are the head of the industry in discussion?1 -
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Brexit unfortunately became very emotive and since the vote to now has become even more so. so its not that strange people get a bit touchy over it. i agree that for some they become defensive over the subject and in a way ignore it. on the other side of the argument they become more aggressive due possibly to frustration that others arent seeing that Brexit is an issue. However it then becomes the only issue in peoples minds. forgetting about every other factor (not just talking about this particular issue with HGV drivers) that contributes. Reason why the tories use the great divide and conquer tactic for many a year.BR7_addick said:
Indeed. We’ve all discussed Covid and poor conditions for drivers in quite a civil manner, soon as you bring Brexit up people act like it’s their little sister and you can’t say anything about her, strange.Karim_myBagheri said:BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
but its as you say not the only reason.
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So, anyone know of any South East deliveries of fuel today, or stations that are open without massive queues?
Thought this thread may be useful for this kind of information, rather than morphing in from the HoC Brexit thread.3 -
From the sounds of it you live in France. But let's look at the evidence. Petrol Shortages due to shortage of delivery drivers. Road Haulage Association members say the 2nd biggest reason for this is the exodus of EU Drivers. Boris Johnson does a U Turn and issues Visas to EU Drivers and you believe that a shortage of EU Drivers has nothing to do with it and the HGV "Boss's" are "Angry" and Political Pundits are in affect making it all up ????Gribbo said:BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Well to be honest mate, I'd sooner go by my own lived experience, than listen to an angry "HGV boss's" political punditry on current affairs. But if we have to use "HGV bosses" for the answers, I'm sure you'll find a few that would give you other reasons7 -
This thread is getting soooo boring...i'm off to fill me car up!!
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If we look at this situation honestly, firstly we have to acknowledge that there isn't a shortage of petrol. There are delivery issues that affected some garages and thanks to reporting of the issue there has been a run on garages following the same principles as a run on banks or the toilet roll crisis last year.
Perfect storms usually occur due to a number of factors and Brexit is of course one of them. Those wishing to claim otherwise are being political but it is a one way street as far as they are usually concerned. But it is not totally the fault of Brexit, it is not even mainly the fault of Brexit, but it hasn't helped.
I was planning on driving to the Valley today but we have a holiday in a lodge in Wimborne next Friday and I need enough petrol for the trip there and back and to take my mum to a hospital consultation on Thursday. Through luck, I have enough petrol...I think having filled up on Wednesday. But the wife would kill me if I risked it and we didn't have enough! My mum is worried about her carers running out which could be a problem going forwards.
What the Government needs to do is set a target that no garage is closed for more than a few hours. This is the way to stop the run, in the same way banks can't run out of money. Any means to do this has to be explored as a matter of urgency. When people see the garages are not running out, they will calm down. If garages are closed for days, then it will fuel the fire and this problem will persist.6 -
For those who insist its the biggest/second biggest causeMrWalker said:Excellent article.
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/supply-chain/the-real-causes-of-the-hgv-driver-shortage-and-why-we-cant-blame-it-all-on-brexit/659841.article
18% of driver losses are due to EU drivers leaving the UK.
''It led a logistics thinktank led by Driver Require to conclude “EU drivers leaving the UK did not significantly contribute to the current shortage”, in a new report published this week.Brits are certainly the more significant factor. Over 55,000 domestic drivers left the industry during the last 18 months. Retirement, a lack of driving tests during Covid, and tax changes have all been cited as the cause.
''It should be noted first and foremost that Britain’s driver shortage is not a new phenomenon. Even in the heady days before Covid or Brexit, the UK was already lacking around 76,000 drivers, according to Logistics UK.''1 -
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Sorry mate, not getting drawn in any more. I know for a stone cold fact there's huge problems across Europe with regards to drivers.lonman said:
From the sounds of it you live in France. But let's look at the evidence. Petrol Shortages due to shortage of delivery drivers. Road Haulage Association members say the 2nd biggest reason for this is the exodus of EU Drivers. Boris Johnson does a U Turn and issues Visas to EU Drivers and you believe that a shortage of EU Drivers has nothing to do with it and the HGV "Boss's" are "Angry" and Political Pundits are in affect making it all up ????Gribbo said:BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Well to be honest mate, I'd sooner go by my own lived experience, than listen to an angry "HGV boss's" political punditry on current affairs. But if we have to use "HGV bosses" for the answers, I'm sure you'll find a few that would give you other reasons
My point hasn't been anything to do with Brexit, just that the fuel problem hasn't got anything to do with lack of drivers, and more to do with people rinsing their local petrol stations dry.8 -
You would have thought all of this would have been more likely to have happened during the 'pingdemic'.2
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This is a really important point that shouldn't be missed.Gribbo said:
Sorry mate, not getting drawn in any more. I know for a stone cold fact there's huge problems across Europe with regards to drivers.lonman said:
From the sounds of it you live in France. But let's look at the evidence. Petrol Shortages due to shortage of delivery drivers. Road Haulage Association members say the 2nd biggest reason for this is the exodus of EU Drivers. Boris Johnson does a U Turn and issues Visas to EU Drivers and you believe that a shortage of EU Drivers has nothing to do with it and the HGV "Boss's" are "Angry" and Political Pundits are in affect making it all up ????Gribbo said:BR7_addick said:
HGV bosses, what do they know about HGV eh.Gribbo said:
I don't care what HGV bosses are saying. I'm living it mate.BR7_addick said:
You can repeat this all you like and ignore every single article and every single HGV boss who said it is one of the reasons, you can also ignore Boris himself, Mr Vote leave, making it easier for foreign drivers to come back. But it doesn’t change the fact it is relevant.Gribbo said:
It's not relevant though is it, surely that's clear,BR7_addick said:
Yeah we get it. Brexit = boring.ValleyGary said:Brexit thread is over there —————>But also, Brexit = relavant to this thread.
For people who keep on about Brexit and how we should all be as one. You lot are incredibly insular regarding the situation everywhere else.
Well to be honest mate, I'd sooner go by my own lived experience, than listen to an angry "HGV boss's" political punditry on current affairs. But if we have to use "HGV bosses" for the answers, I'm sure you'll find a few that would give you other reasons
My point hasn't been anything to do with Brexit, just that the fuel problem hasn't got anything to do with lack of drivers, and more to do with people rinsing their local petrol stations dry.4 -
Mother pluckerShootersHillGuru said:Anyone want to have a dig at the Turkey farmer who says his business is stuffed (see what I did there ?) because he can’t get pluckers, packers, slaughter men and get his produce transported and blames 100% Brexit. What would he know about Turkey farming I wonder. Not much I suppose because he’s never been a Turkey perhaps ?1 -
The treasury will be happy. Think of all that extra petrol duty and VAT they've earned in the past couple of days.0
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Mentioned yesterday the wife waited just ten minutes eltham high street opposite graveyard, Tesco garage.Addickted said:So, anyone know of any South East deliveries of fuel today, or stations that are open without massive queues?
Thought this thread may be useful for this kind of information, rather than morphing in from the HoC Brexit thread.
And it hasn’t morphed into the HoC Brexit thread, brexit as a whole isn’t being discussed it’s Brexit in relation to driver shortages.
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But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit4
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I literally posted two massive daily Mail headlines and stated “people are idiots”Addickted said:But you've not mentioned panic buying, just Brexit
About two pages ago for all to see so wrong again.
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Place your bets.....who is going to get the last word?2
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We walked the dog to Asda his morning and there was a massive queue as I waited with him outside whilst my wife got some bits. One of the things that crossed my mind in the decent amount of time I had to contemplate (why does she take so long to shop?) was how big the Garage petrol tanks must be. I hadn't really thought of it before. The second thing was the fact that it isn't like filling the garage or spare room with toilet rolls, these idiots will fill up (not all of them are idiots of course, some genuinely need petrol). When they fill up, they will probably be a bit careful how they use their car because they are so frightened of running out, so by Tuesday, Wednesday ish, the sane people ought to be able to get their petrol.
Pubs must be missing a trick not reporting a beer shortage.0
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