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  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    colthe3rd said:
    Any chance of a dedicated thread for people to post fantasy lineups?
    It’s called the Match Preview thread and @ForeverAddickted is a bit behind with this weeks Sunderland version as he’s been skiving in Eastbourne 😉.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,287
    edited October 2021
    Oggy Red said:
    20 points behind Plymouth!!!  Plymouth!!!
    I know. Count yourself lucky that you don't live down here in Cornwall. 
    And all your mates are GREEN ARMY!

    To be fair, they haven't really rubbed my nose in it.
    More like, "WTF is going on at your club? I had them down as a good bet for promotion."

    Mind you, we go to Argyle in a few weeks. Might be a bit different then!


    Try living in Plymouth!
    …and Argyle come to the valley first don’t they?

    …and my house is worth £320,000 😉
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,906
    Alot of people starting Dobson in their lineups! Not saying I disagree as I could never fathom why he disappeared he played ok I though before he was dropped. Interesting to see if we do have a new structure and lineup this weekend
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    AndyG said:
    Alot of people starting Dobson in their lineups! Not saying I disagree as I could never fathom why he disappeared he played ok I though before he was dropped. Interesting to see if we do have a new structure and lineup this weekend
    He had an absolute nightmare at MK Dons, but since then he's also looked like Pirlo against Crawley and some kids so deserves some B.O.D. 
  • tangoflash
    tangoflash Posts: 10,784
    Ferryman said:

    Is it only me that finds it hard to take someone seriously when he's recording it from his bedroom studio? I half expected his mum to walk in with a cup of tea and a choccy biscuit..........................
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,906
    Leuth said:
    AndyG said:
    Alot of people starting Dobson in their lineups! Not saying I disagree as I could never fathom why he disappeared he played ok I though before he was dropped. Interesting to see if we do have a new structure and lineup this weekend
    He had an absolute nightmare at MK Dons, but since then he's also looked like Pirlo against Crawley and some kids so deserves some B.O.D. 
    Yup but others have also had a nightmare game and havent been sent to Siberia! On that basis Albie would be on Jupiter by now 😂
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited October 2021
    AndyG said:
    Alot of people starting Dobson in their lineups! Not saying I disagree as I could never fathom why he disappeared he played ok I though before he was dropped. Interesting to see if we do have a new structure and lineup this weekend
    Dobson was a CB in his youth at West Ham and has the defensive mindset we need at CDM. He can pick a pass and was well thought of at Wimbledon but Pirlo he ain’t. 

    If he can temper the urge to dive in on occasions perhaps with help from an old head like Arter Watson or Pearce talking talking him through a game he could nail that position down.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Have you deliberately left Lee out? 
    I believe Lee is ill.
  • Dobson would certainly have something to prove against his old club. 
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,255
    edited October 2021
    seth plum said:
    From memory Jackson has played under or observed a lot of managers since he has been at Charlton.

    Phil Parkinson
    Keith Peacock
    Chris Powell
    Jose Riga
    Bob Peeters
    Damian Matthew
    Guy Luzon
    Karel Fraeye
    Russell Slade
    Karl Robinson
    Kevin Nugent
    Lee Bowyer
    Nigel Adkins

    I wonder what the single best quality Jacko could take as a learning point from each person on that list.
    Make sure there is a laundry basket in the dressing room .......................... just in case.

    Hmm beaten to the punch about 6 hours ago 
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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    I reckon JJ will look to stop the rot and will pick a side something like this.


    Macgillivray Henderson Harness
            Lavelle  Famewo Pearce
    Gunter Matthews Souare Purrington
                           Stockley


    This is the last time I say this ?

    Stockley isn't a lone striker  :#


    He's GK.there.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    I reckon JJ will look to stop the rot and will pick a side something like this.


    Macgillivray Henderson Harness
            Lavelle  Famewo Pearce
    Gunter Matthews Souare Purrington
                           Stockley


    This is the last time I say this ?

    Stockley isn't a lone striker  :#


    He's GK.there.
    Not true. You're looking at the team for the second half. I was suggesting the starting line up.
  • ParkinsonOut
    ParkinsonOut Posts: 1,463
    Looks like I’ve got to change my avatar again 🤦🏻‍♀️
  • Dobson would certainly have something to prove against his old club. 
    I'm not a massive Dobson fan, but on that basis he has to be picked

    "Having dominated the game, but hit the woodwork 8 times, Sunderland were stunned in the 89th minute when former player George Dobson came back to haunt them, dribbling past 5 players before curling the ball into the top corner from 25 yards to score a brilliant winner."
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,255
    RedChaser said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣
    MacGillivray
    Matthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
    Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - Gilbey
    Washington - Stockley

    Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo,   DJ, 

    That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
    Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉

    Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited October 2021
    Funny how Stockley is everyone’s number one choice, when Davison has been the better option all season. Is he really seen as a safer bet?
  • JamesSeed said:
    Funny how Stockley is everyone’s number one choice, when Davison has been the better option all season. Is he really seen as a safer bet?
    Stockley was shocking the other night. Granted he scored, but dear oh dear. He has no pace, he can’t hold up the ball, he can’t flick it on to team mates. And he even missed a headed sitter. Plus we just look so poor when he’s the sole striker.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Let's forget what the players have done up to this point. Fresh start for all.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Oggy Red said:
    20 points behind Plymouth!!!  Plymouth!!!
    I know. Count yourself lucky that you don't live down here in Cornwall. 
    And all your mates are GREEN ARMY!

    To be fair, they haven't really rubbed my nose in it.
    More like, "WTF is going on at your club? I had them down as a good bet for promotion."

    Mind you, we go to Argyle in a few weeks. Might be a bit different then!


    Try living in Plymouth!
    …and Argyle come to the valley first don’t they?

    …and my house is worth £320,000 😉
    You do know you can get 3 beds in Plymouth for £100,000.
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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,001
    RedChaser said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣
    MacGillivray
    Matthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
    Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - Gilbey
    Washington - Stockley

    Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo,   DJ, 

    That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
    Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉

    Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
    Winning post.
    Get rid of the non contributing light weight wingers.
    It's like playing with 9 men and when NA brought on CBT for Lee at Lincoln, it was like playing with 8 players.
    Then he couldn't understand why we barely got a kick for 70 mins.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,752
    Here is the Talkshite Interview With Thomas this morning LINK
    Thanks for that.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    clb74 said:
    Oggy Red said:
    20 points behind Plymouth!!!  Plymouth!!!
    I know. Count yourself lucky that you don't live down here in Cornwall. 
    And all your mates are GREEN ARMY!

    To be fair, they haven't really rubbed my nose in it.
    More like, "WTF is going on at your club? I had them down as a good bet for promotion."

    Mind you, we go to Argyle in a few weeks. Might be a bit different then!


    Try living in Plymouth!
    …and Argyle come to the valley first don’t they?

    …and my house is worth £320,000 😉
    You do know you can get 3 beds in Plymouth for £100,000.
    Better be bloody comfy for over £33k each! 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    RedChaser said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣
    MacGillivray
    Matthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
    Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - Gilbey
    Washington - Stockley

    Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo,   DJ, 

    That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
    Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉

    Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
    Winning post.
    Get rid of the non contributing light weight wingers.
    It's like playing with 9 men and when NA brought on CBT for Lee at Lincoln, it was like playing with 8 players.
    Then he couldn't understand why we barely got a kick for 70 mins.
    CBT has been a genuine bright spark when used well. He's looked superb when Lee has been on the field and less good when Lee hasn't, but ruling him out is very weird. 

    As for Leko, he's been arguably our best player this season.

    What's wrong with wide forwards? If you play a midfield 3 behind them, they should be able to cover the full-backs adequately and the wingers should be free to attack
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    'non contributing lightweight wingers' is some Bowyer talk. At some point you have to back attacking play. Really annoyed by that phrase. Leko, CBT, even DJ really not contributed? Look at our goals and assists...
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,001
    edited October 2021
    Leuth said:
    RedChaser said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣
    MacGillivray
    Matthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
    Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - Gilbey
    Washington - Stockley

    Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo,   DJ, 

    That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
    Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉

    Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
    Winning post.
    Get rid of the non contributing light weight wingers.
    It's like playing with 9 men and when NA brought on CBT for Lee at Lincoln, it was like playing with 8 players.
    Then he couldn't understand why we barely got a kick for 70 mins.
    CBT has been a genuine bright spark when used well. He's looked superb when Lee has been on the field and less good when Lee hasn't, but ruling him out is very weird. 

    As for Leko, he's been arguably our best player this season.

    What's wrong with wide forwards? If you play a midfield 3 behind them, they should be able to cover the full-backs adequately and the wingers should be free to attack
    Kirk and Leko barely touched the ball at Lincoln and CBT didn't either until late on.
    What percentage of time has CBT been used well?
    We need 100%, but I'd reckon it's around 25%, so not contributing 75%.
    The wide forwards have not been doing any defensive duties and not much offensive either.
    Leko played well against Accrington, but CBT barely figured again until late on.
    What is needed is players that can offer 100% from first to last whistle.
    Not players that contribute every 4 or 5 games and even then only for a small part of the game.
    Our full backs have been 2v1 all season and boy could they do with some protection.
    We're 3rd from bottom, not 3rd from top.
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,379
    Ferryman said:

    Is it only me that finds it hard to take someone seriously when he's recording it from his bedroom studio? I half expected his mum to walk in with a cup of tea and a choccy biscuit..........................
    They only get my respect if it is a jazz studio
  • RedChaser said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣
    MacGillivray
    Matthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
    Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - Gilbey
    Washington - Stockley

    Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo,   DJ, 

    That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
    Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉

    Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
    Or 10 years ago Scott Wagstaff
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited October 2021
    Don't have a lot to add other than good luck to NA. Seemed like a thoroughly decent bloke. And there were signs last season that he was a decent manager. But it didn't work out, and this needed to happen. Arguably sooner than it did, but certainly no later than it did. 

    As for Jacko, I certainly wish him the best. I'm not convinced he's the answer. He's been a part of three coaching regimes now, all three of which have fallen apart (with success mixed in under Bowyer). And not just fallen apart, but fallen apart in terms of tactics and organization. I know some say he's the defensive and set pieces coach, I'm not sure if that's true or perceived, but if it is true then he certainly has to take a fair share of the blame for our results this season.

    All that said, given his ties to the club and the fact that he is a young and hungry coach, I do think he deserves a few games as an audition. But if I were TS/Roddy/Gallen et al, I would be looking for a back up in case Jackson doesn't work out. 

    This is the job he wanted after Bows left, maybe even after Robbo left. He's got it now. Hope he smashes it.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Leuth said:
    RedChaser said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣
    MacGillivray
    Matthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
    Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - Gilbey
    Washington - Stockley

    Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo,   DJ, 

    That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
    Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉

    Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
    Winning post.
    Get rid of the non contributing light weight wingers.
    It's like playing with 9 men and when NA brought on CBT for Lee at Lincoln, it was like playing with 8 players.
    Then he couldn't understand why we barely got a kick for 70 mins.
    CBT has been a genuine bright spark when used well. He's looked superb when Lee has been on the field and less good when Lee hasn't, but ruling him out is very weird. 

    As for Leko, he's been arguably our best player this season.

    What's wrong with wide forwards? If you play a midfield 3 behind them, they should be able to cover the full-backs adequately and the wingers should be free to attack
    Kirk and Leko barely touched the ball at Lincoln and CBT didn't either until late on.
    What percentage of time has CBT been used well?
    We need 100%, but I'd reckon it's around 25%, so not contributing 75%.
    The wide forwards have not been doing any defensive duties and not much offensive either.
    Leko played well against Accrington, but CBT barely figured again until late on.
    What is needed is players that can offer 100% from first to last whistle.
    Not players that contribute every 4 or 5 games and even then only for a small part of the game.
    Our full backs have been 2v1 all season and boy could they do with some protection.
    We're 3rd from bottom, not 3rd from top.
    If you play 3 in midfield, it is surely the absolute basics that the two wider of the 3 cover their respective fullbacks. Adkins hasn't had us doing that for some reason