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**Adkins Gone - Jackson Caretaker**
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So have the midfield 3 been covering the full backs adequately?Leuth said:Covered End said:
Winning post.charltonbob said:RedChaser said:
Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉Dazzler21 said:Starinnaddick said:Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣Matthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - GilbeyWashington - Stockley
Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo, DJ,
That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
Get rid of the non contributing light weight wingers.
It's like playing with 9 men and when NA brought on CBT for Lee at Lincoln, it was like playing with 8 players.
Then he couldn't understand why we barely got a kick for 70 mins.
What's wrong with wide forwards? If you play a midfield 3 behind them, they should be able to cover the full-backs adequately and the wingers should be free to attack
No they have not, they've offered no protection all season.
We need to deal with what is actually happening, not what we think should be happening.6 -
Ok fair enough, I should have said the rarely/occasional contributing light weight wingers.Leuth said:'non contributing lightweight wingers' is some Bowyer talk. At some point you have to back attacking play. Really annoyed by that phrase. Leko, CBT, even DJ really not contributed? Look at our goals and assists...
It's what wingers do, that's why they are wingers.
Kirk has shown zero passion, DJ has shown little more, Leko gets involved one game and not the next and CBT gets involved spasmodically. None of them have shown any understanding of being part of a team and assisting their team mates by chasing back.
Like Bob said oh for a Johnny Robinson or Graham Stuart or a Scott Wagstaff or a Liam Miller.
We can get away with playing one as long as we supply them and they fulfil their defensive duties.4 -
Stockley started the season quite well but i think playing up top on his own has gradually ruined him - a blind man could see he needs to play with a strike partner, somebody he can be a foil for - for me, that,s Leko as they have completely different attributes and will compliment each other but Lee and Davison can also come short as an alternative to Srockley with Washington and CBT being the alternative to Leko. In a tough away game at Sunderland however i think we do need some presence up top and a bit of pace so would go with Stockley and Leko and solid the midfield right up with dobson and arter in the middle and washington and gilbey doing the leg work our wide and tracking back to cover matthews and purrington, both of whom will be more than adeqwuate if they have a normal level of protection (which they haven't been getting) . Lavelle starts and i would stick with famewho who i think will benefit from the back of adkins as well and the greater protection from the midfield. Mac starts in goal as no alternative. Simple - lets hope jacko sees it the same and we will be alrightEveshamAddick said:
Stockley was shocking the other night. Granted he scored, but dear oh dear. He has no pace, he can’t hold up the ball, he can’t flick it on to team mates. And he even missed a headed sitter. Plus we just look so poor when he’s the sole striker.JamesSeed said:Funny how Stockley is everyone’s number one choice, when Davison has been the better option all season. Is he really seen as a safer bet?
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I think it’s time to remember Curbs mantra.
Don’t let the highs be too high or the lows be too low.9 -
Not sure I should be sharing this with you all, dear friends but......
I'm ALMOST getting excited about Saturday's match ( even though we won't be there ) !
And, dare I add, that the infamous Tingle is threatening to burst through its long term fettered state !
Can't wait !!!!
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Cup of bromide and an early night and no more of your nonsense nowFanny Fanackapan said:Not sure I should be sharing this with you all, dear friends but......
I'm ALMOST getting excited about Saturday's match ( even though we won't be there ) !
And, dare I add, that the infamous Tingle is threatening to burst through its long term fettered state !
Can't wait !!!!
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I hope we sell a number of players in January. Replace them with a better and more motivated bunch. Have a clear out.
If they lack match fitness, then they should blame themselves. Do they think Nigel Adkins was going to have a magic wand for everything? They can't look after themselves?
Everyone has problems, but on the surface, they are adults...who earn good money..by doing a dream job.
They also have the benefit of not being very recognisable, so they won't get stopped on the street etc
Are they not ambitious enough?
Everything's the managers fault yeh. Adkins did a crap job but they obviously are a gobby bunch that treated him like shit.0 -
king addick said:What it looks like at the moment.
Sad for Nigel as a man as lovely bloke but it wasn't working.
Hopefully JJ & JE can do the business.
Who's Michael Flynn?
He's either an aspiring young league 2 manager, or his name just makes people think of Walt junior0 -
I also think where the fitness thing is concerned, if you’re winning games and full of confidence, you run that extra lung buster or look for the ball more often. When you’re a team tied down to poor tactics and conceding shit goals, you’re looking around thinking do I need to put that extra in? It’s a shit attitude but confidence is a huge factor in football.12
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I agree with you. Kirk and CBT are luxury players and what we need now are hard working grafters who engage in the game for its entirety.Covered End said:Kirk and Leko barely touched the ball at Lincoln and CBT didn't either until late on.
What percentage of time has CBT been used well?
We need 100%, but I'd reckon it's around 25%, so not contributing 75%.
The wide forwards have not been doing any defensive duties and not much offensive either.
Leko played well against Accrington, but CBT barely figured again until late on.
What is needed is players that can offer 100% from first to last whistle.
Not players that contribute every 4 or 5 games and even then only for a small part of the game.
Our full backs have been 2v1 all season and boy could they do with some protection.
We're 3rd from bottom, not 3rd from top.
Would be happier to see Purrington, Pearce and Deji in our back line.......neither Gunter or Matthews look much good this season (if ever with the former). Watson and Arter if fit in midfield...Id try Washington and Davison up front, both have very good engines and will chase everything down.....Stockley to come on for whoever runs out of steam first.5 - Sponsored links:
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Fans typical responses upon sacking managers:
Before Announcement: He is terrible! Get out of our club! Clueless! Shambolic! Have some integrity and walk away! Useless!After Announcement: nice fella, shame it did not work out.9 -
You can separate a mans character and values from normal life and football.NapaAddick said:Fans typical responses upon sacking managers:
Before Announcement: He is terrible! Get out of our club! Clueless! Shambolic! Have some integrity and walk away! Useless!After Announcement: nice fella, shame it did not work out.
I began to dislike the man because I thought he was dragging down this football club through his stubbornness and tactical shitness. I get the feeling he isn’t like that in outside of football.11 -
Dead right.NapaAddick said:Fans typical responses upon sacking managers:
Before Announcement: He is terrible! Get out of our club! Clueless! Shambolic! Have some integrity and walk away! Useless!After Announcement: nice fella, shame it did not work out.
Not the same people though, is it.5 -
Thanks, Large. Let's hope it's Fortress Valley by then.LargeAddick said:
Think you will find they are coming to us Oggy.Oggy Red said:
I know. Count yourself lucky that you don't live down here in Cornwall.Mendonca In Asdas said:20 points behind Plymouth!!! Plymouth!!!
And all your mates are GREEN ARMY!
To be fair, they haven't really rubbed my nose in it.
More like, "WTF is going on at your club? I had them down as a good bet for promotion."
Mind you, we go to Argyle in a few weeks. Might be a bit different then!
Even if its only to give me bragging rights. And 3 points to keep every Addick happy.
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Are you sure? @clb74 said you can get a 3-bed semi in Plymouth for less than £100,000.EugenesAxe said:
Try living in Plymouth!Oggy Red said:
I know. Count yourself lucky that you don't live down here in Cornwall.Mendonca In Asdas said:20 points behind Plymouth!!! Plymouth!!!
And all your mates are GREEN ARMY!
To be fair, they haven't really rubbed my nose in it.
More like, "WTF is going on at your club? I had them down as a good bet for promotion."
Mind you, we go to Argyle in a few weeks. Might be a bit different then!
…and Argyle come to the valley first don’t they?
…and my house is worth £320,000 😉
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Mentioning Johnny Robbo I think its fair to say that Shaun Newton was always there to help his full back.3
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A manager's job is one of motivation. Motivating a group of well trained professional athletes to execute the tactics practiced on the training ground. And to have a sense of fighting for something. Thats what all successful managers succeed in doing.
I cant think of one occasion when I thought Adkins had that ability. To truly motivate.. His constant "positivity" spin and irksome grin made me think of football management by Tony Blair. That doesn't win football matches that wins elections.
I am so delighted I will never hear "Yes, scotty [Minto] we were really great for that first 20 minutes .[Blair smile] .. Passing the ball around, looking dangerous [blair again] ...and, well, although we didnt get the result we wanted ... they [pick every team we have played] showed how hard this division is [serious blair face to camera] ... But we take the positives [blair ecstatic face] ... There was that terrific throw- in from the young lad Clare who's come in [blair grin] shown what he can do and that delightful goal kick from Macca who has shown why he we went in for him [blair] so we go again Tuesday. Thanks Scotty. Pleasure" [blair smirk to camera].
Yuk!
Wishing Brian Clough was around ... No nonsense. Total motivation ... to the death.
TS should expect nothing less from the short listed candidates.
Question One to the shortlisted candidates:
"Are you prepared to die for Charlton Athletic football club?".
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……and then discount anyone who answers “yes” as they would clearly be a liar, a nut-job, or both?ValleyOfTears said:A manager's job is one of motivation. Motivating a group of well trained professional athletes to execute the tactics practiced on the training ground. And to have a sense of fighting for something. Thats what all successful managers succeed in doing.
I cant think of one occasion when I thought Adkins had that ability. To truly motivate.. His constant "positivity" spin and irksome grin made me think of football management by Tony Blair. That doesn't win football matches that wins elections.
I am so delighted I will never hear "Yes, scotty [Minto] we were really great for that first 20 minutes .[Blair smile] .. Passing the ball around, looking dangerous [blair again] ...and, well, although we didnt get the result we wanted ... they [pick every team we have played] showed how hard this division is [serious blair face to camera] ... But we take the positives [blair ecstatic face] ... There was that terrific throw- in from the young lad Clare who's come in [blair grin] shown what he can do and that delightful goal kick from Macca who has shown why he we went in for him [blair] so we go again Tuesday. Thanks Scotty. Pleasure" [blair smirk to camera].
Yuk!
Wishing Brian Clough was around ... No nonsense. Total motivation ... to the death.
TS should expect nothing less from the short listed candidates.
Question One to the shortlisted candidates:
"Are you prepared to die for Charlton Athletic football club?".7 -
I'm pleased we released Adkins and even more pleased JJ is in interim charge.
I've not for a long time wanted someone to be more successful that Jackson, I truly hope he is, gets given the job permanently and takes us up the divisions.
One thing we can be sure of is he'll do anything for this club. I expect him to get the players really fired up for Saturday. We may still lose (but you never know), but he'll get a performance out of them I'm sure.
The team selection will be interesting, I think we'll see a very different shape.4 - Sponsored links:
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He was the Newport Manager, resigned a few weeks agoDave2l said:king addick said:What it looks like at the moment.
Sad for Nigel as a man as lovely bloke but it wasn't working.
Hopefully JJ & JE can do the business.
Who's Michael Flynn?
He's either an aspiring young league 2 manager, or his name just makes people think of Walt junior0 -
Feeling positive about JJ and Euell. We could do with a bit of a fairly tale after all the years of absolute tripe.Next game I'm hoping for a strong performance, and for it to last 90 minutes. If the team busts a gut, I'll be happy.2
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Problem is that they largely don’t contribute much, especially when things aren’t going well. I’m not saying I wouldn’t play them but the new manager will have to find a way to get them a lot more involved.Leuth said:'non contributing lightweight wingers' is some Bowyer talk. At some point you have to back attacking play. Really annoyed by that phrase. Leko, CBT, even DJ really not contributed? Look at our goals and assists...2 -
agreed, would like to see a flat 4 in midfield with Clare on the right and the left Kirk/DJ or CBT.Covered End said:
Ok fair enough, I should have said the rarely/occasional contributing light weight wingers.Leuth said:'non contributing lightweight wingers' is some Bowyer talk. At some point you have to back attacking play. Really annoyed by that phrase. Leko, CBT, even DJ really not contributed? Look at our goals and assists...
It's what wingers do, that's why they are wingers.
Kirk has shown zero passion, DJ has shown little more, Leko gets involved one game and not the next and CBT gets involved spasmodically. None of them have shown any understanding of being part of a team and assisting their team mates by chasing back.
Like Bob said oh for a Johnny Robinson or Graham Stuart or a Scott Wagstaff or a Liam Miller.
We can get away with playing one as long as we supply them and they fulfil their defensive duties.
Can either then have Leko playing off Stockey in a 2 or Lee deeper in a 4, 4, 1, 11 -
All of the above is down to AdkinsCovered End said:
Kirk and Leko barely touched the ball at Lincoln and CBT didn't either until late on.Leuth said:
CBT has been a genuine bright spark when used well. He's looked superb when Lee has been on the field and less good when Lee hasn't, but ruling him out is very weird.Covered End said:
Winning post.charltonbob said:RedChaser said:
Not sure about persevering with 2 wingers again Daz so I’ve made a couple of changes to make us a bit more solid and experienced 😉Dazzler21 said:Starinnaddick said:Can't wait to see the team JJ picks for Sunderland. He's had Thursday to get them fit. 🤣MacGillivrayMatthews - Lavelle - Famewo Pearce - Purrington
Jaiyesime- Leko - Dobson - Arter - GilbeyWashington - Stockley
Henderson, Gunter, Pearce, Morgan, Watson, Leko, Davison, Famewo, DJ,
That'd be my pick. If DJ isn't doing it, easy to rotate him with Leko and Morgan has also done a job from LM before now.
Exactly we've already seen you can't play with two wingers, even more with two wingers who won't chase back. What we need is a Johnny Robinson who'll run up & down all day long & a Graham Stuart who'll give you width but can also tuck in & again will chase back. Well I can dream can't I ?
Get rid of the non contributing light weight wingers.
It's like playing with 9 men and when NA brought on CBT for Lee at Lincoln, it was like playing with 8 players.
Then he couldn't understand why we barely got a kick for 70 mins.
As for Leko, he's been arguably our best player this season.
What's wrong with wide forwards? If you play a midfield 3 behind them, they should be able to cover the full-backs adequately and the wingers should be free to attack
What percentage of time has CBT been used well?
We need 100%, but I'd reckon it's around 25%, so not contributing 75%.
The wide forwards have not been doing any defensive duties and not much offensive either.
Leko played well against Accrington, but CBT barely figured again until late on.
What is needed is players that can offer 100% from first to last whistle.
Not players that contribute every 4 or 5 games and even then only for a small part of the game.
Our full backs have been 2v1 all season and boy could they do with some protection.
We're 3rd from bottom, not 3rd from top.1 -
Full respect to Ormiston and Thomas Driesen for calling Adkins out as guff (and more respect for the winding up and cnuting off of everyone )
Personally was neither here nor there with him but obviously anyone that positive and happy is not really my cup of tea but his end to the season would never have led any sane person to foresee this debacle , nice man but had to go (4 weeks back)
Jacko is the natural free hit … give him till Christmas and have a back up plan in place if it goes tits up .
palace cruising in the top flight 8/9 seasons in
scum 3 points from play offs in second tier
billy smarts 4 points from safety in the 3rd tier of English football , what a time to be alive14 -
I would play only one of the four wingers at the moment and that would probably be Leko followed by CBT. When we have more solidity and confidence and a few nought - noughts under our belt it might be worth trying two when we need to change the game in the second half.roseandcrown said:
agreed, would like to see a flat 4 in midfield with Clare on the right and the left Kirk/DJ or CBT.Covered End said:
Ok fair enough, I should have said the rarely/occasional contributing light weight wingers.Leuth said:'non contributing lightweight wingers' is some Bowyer talk. At some point you have to back attacking play. Really annoyed by that phrase. Leko, CBT, even DJ really not contributed? Look at our goals and assists...
It's what wingers do, that's why they are wingers.
Kirk has shown zero passion, DJ has shown little more, Leko gets involved one game and not the next and CBT gets involved spasmodically. None of them have shown any understanding of being part of a team and assisting their team mates by chasing back.
Like Bob said oh for a Johnny Robinson or Graham Stuart or a Scott Wagstaff or a Liam Miller.
We can get away with playing one as long as we supply them and they fulfil their defensive duties.
Can either then have Leko playing off Stockey in a 2 or Lee deeper in a 4, 4, 1, 13 -
I didn't see the Lincoln game but having 3 "wingers" on the field at the same time away from home showed that Adkins had lost the plot.
In an age of attacking full backs or wing backs we have 4 wingers who are all weak defensively. Nigel said they all track back ?
Kirk has a 4 year contract but looks so lightweight, DJ had one good 1st half at the Valley, Leko is hit and miss and however poor he was at Lincoln CBT has shown he can beat his man and put in crosses from the left (Lee's goal) and Right, even if it is only for a set time.
Johnnie Jackson will need to sort out how to use the wingers to benefit the team. Just one at a time until we can sort out a workable shape; a wide player will be needed or we will go back to creating zero chances.
Matthews was a decent Championship RB, why does he look sub standard now. Gunter has had a steady career in the Championship and now looks poor at RB let alone LB where he is a fish out of water.
They are being exposed with the diagonal ball, and simple one two's in the pockets and playing between the lines and this applies to the Midfielders too (coach speak LOL)
This will really test JJ and Jason and as long as they are giving the same message then we will improve and look like a team.
As has been mentioned Confidence is everything in sport and against Bolton we played to a decent standard for an hour (yes we did) before Bolton sniffed blood and we were bloody awful for the last part and got caned.
Good Luck Johnnie and Jason I think you will succeed at least in stoping the rot and if that makes me an Arsehole then so be it.
No Battle, No Victory.
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Michael Flynn is highly thought of down here in lovely South Wales. However, he resigned as the Newport manager citing stress as one of the reasons.ForeverAddickted said:
He was the Newport Manager, resigned a few weeks agoDave2l said:king addick said:What it looks like at the moment.
Sad for Nigel as a man as lovely bloke but it wasn't working.
Hopefully JJ & JE can do the business.
Who's Michael Flynn?
He's either an aspiring young league 2 manager, or his name just makes people think of Walt junior1 -
I imagine he also felt that he had taken them as far as he couldMametz said:
Highly thought of down here in lovely South Wales. However, he resigned as the Newport manager a couple of weeks ago citing stress as one of the reasons.ForeverAddickted said:
He was the Newport Manager, resigned a few weeks agoDave2l said:king addick said:What it looks like at the moment.
Sad for Nigel as a man as lovely bloke but it wasn't working.
Hopefully JJ & JE can do the business.
Who's Michael Flynn?
He's either an aspiring young league 2 manager, or his name just makes people think of Walt junior1
