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Give Jacko The Job (He got given it on page 31...)
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All this ‘Steve is the best negotiator in the world’ stuff makes me laugh.
A key reason we have had such an awful season is because the club played hard ball in their negotiations during the summer and it back fired massively…
- Chuks didn’t take our low offer and went to brum (& it cost us more to then get him back)
- Our main target Fraser went to Ipswich and we consequently couldn’t bring him to the valley until our season was over
- Our main CB target went to Wigan forcing us to bring in Lavelle (who’s not gd enough) as a last min panic buy.
There’s nothing good about being known as a good negotiator if you fail to recruit any quality and waste/ruin the whole season as a result.5 -
Agree that generally speaking being successful is about getting the best players not being a tight arse, it’s about having quality on the pitch, we’re not down the auctions trying to win kudos for saving £100 on a vauxhall viva!0
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The vauxhall viva is Chris Gunter by the way, Ben Matthews is an Austin Allegro.
Eeeeuchhhhh.1 -
and the points per game trend is down. soon will have crossed the point when it is in the relegation zone.oohaahmortimer said:Jacko’s points per game 30/20
would currently put us on 49.5 points which is 11th position
and a season ending total of 69 points .0 -
Only going to drop too.oohaahmortimer said:Jacko’s points per game 30/20
would currently put us on 49.5 points which is 11th position
and a season ending total of 69 points .
Having a PPG to finish in the bottom half after taking over for most of the year is a pretty strong inditement.
People clinging onto those first 4 games for dear life.2 -
His last 10 games have yielded 10 points, the same as Bowyer's second block of 10 last season, 4 more than Adkins second 10.SELR_addicks said:
Only going to drop too.oohaahmortimer said:Jacko’s points per game 30/20
would currently put us on 49.5 points which is 11th position
and a season ending total of 69 points .
Having a PPG to finish in the bottom half after taking over for most of the year is a pretty strong inditement.
People clinging onto those first 4 games for dear life.
All 3 are relegation form, how ever you dress it up, and all 3 followed promotion form.
All 3 suffered difficult injury/illness/recruitment issues but I still don't think this is a relegation squad, it's not a top 6 one. The Fleetwood and Wimbledon results, not the performance, covered over a lot of cracks.
A nine point gap should be enough, shouldn't it?5 -
Jacko’s Points per game 30/21
would currently put us on 48.5 points which is 11th
and a season ending total of 660 -
Rolling last 10 games is still 10 points, defent replaces the defeat against Wycombe. Need 4 points from the next 2 games to keep it at a point a game.oohaahmortimer said:Jacko’s Points per game 30/21
would currently put us on 48.5 points which is 11th
and a season ending total of 66
The fact we only have 1.15 points per game over the whole season suggests that's not a blip.
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Wish we could have sent Jacko out on loan as a manger before he got the Charlton job.5
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Chuks went to a higher division. He was always going to go. When do you ever see players turning down that kind of move?Oh Eddie Youds... said:All this ‘Steve is the best negotiator in the world’ stuff makes me laugh.
A key reason we have had such an awful season is because the club played hard ball in their negotiations during the summer and it back fired massively…
- Chuks didn’t take our low offer and went to brum (& it cost us more to then get him back)
- Our main target Fraser went to Ipswich and we consequently couldn’t bring him to the valley until our season was over
- Our main CB target went to Wigan forcing us to bring in Lavelle (who’s not gd enough) as a last min panic buy.
There’s nothing good about being known as a good negotiator if you fail to recruit any quality and waste/ruin the whole season as a result.
I didn't think we were willing to match the wages being offered by Wigan and Ipswich but something has obviously changed since then, unless Fraser has taken a pay cut to come here. Which is possible since apparently he was desperate to leave.
We will struggle to attract the best targets next year because of how poor we've been this season.
I'm sure Gallen is a good negotiator but he's not a wizard.4 -
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Also Aneke joined us to play in the Championship, it's not a coincidence he then tried to go back to the Championship at the end of his contract.0
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Jacko’s Points per game 31/22
would currently put us on 49.3 points which is 12th
and a season ending total of 65
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Not good enough.oohaahmortimer said:Jacko’s Points per game 31/22
would currently put us on 49.3 points which is 12th
and a season ending total of 65
If Jackson remains in charge, this only promises us mid table obscurity.
In fact no different to what we currently have.1 -
We don’t know that for sure. This isn’t his team, it’s one he’s inherited. Certainly, I think there were things he could’ve done in this recent run to mix it up a bit in our set up, but he didn’t have a forward line and we have a lot of crap/mediocrity in our team (even the perceived better players).Billericaydickie said:
Not good enough.oohaahmortimer said:Jacko’s Points per game 31/22
would currently put us on 49.3 points which is 12th
and a season ending total of 65
If Jackson remains in charge, this only promises us mid table obscurity.
In fact no different to what we currently have.
I know some people have already made their mind up, but I’m giving him this summer and the start of next season at least6 -
This. However I'm still not entirely sure binning Adkins was the answer looking at this team now. Sure they went on a run, but appear to have regressed again.cabbles said:
We don’t know that for sure. This isn’t his team, it’s one he’s inherited. Certainly, I think there were things he could’ve done in this recent run to mix it up a bit in our set up, but he didn’t have a forward line and we have a lot of crap/mediocrity in our team (even the perceived better players).Billericaydickie said:
Not good enough.oohaahmortimer said:Jacko’s Points per game 31/22
would currently put us on 49.3 points which is 12th
and a season ending total of 65
If Jackson remains in charge, this only promises us mid table obscurity.
In fact no different to what we currently have.
I know some people have already made their mind up, but I’m giving him this summer and the start of next season at least
Sandgaard and Jackson need a good window.7 -
@cabbles Dad and I are in agreement to that comment. Only comment is that if Jacko is in charge come May. I expect to see two pacy wings back in the door very early on in the window. Similar to when Taylor and Pratley were identified as vital signings promoting winning season.5
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I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.5
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Wrong. This is league one, not the championship. Whoever pays the highest price invariably wins the player, Wigan were woeful last season, bought the best players in the league in the summer.Chunes said:
Chuks went to a higher division. He was always going to go. When do you ever see players turning down that kind of move?Oh Eddie Youds... said:All this ‘Steve is the best negotiator in the world’ stuff makes me laugh.
A key reason we have had such an awful season is because the club played hard ball in their negotiations during the summer and it back fired massively…
- Chuks didn’t take our low offer and went to brum (& it cost us more to then get him back)
- Our main target Fraser went to Ipswich and we consequently couldn’t bring him to the valley until our season was over
- Our main CB target went to Wigan forcing us to bring in Lavelle (who’s not gd enough) as a last min panic buy.
There’s nothing good about being known as a good negotiator if you fail to recruit any quality and waste/ruin the whole season as a result.
I didn't think we were willing to match the wages being offered by Wigan and Ipswich but something has obviously changed since then, unless Fraser has taken a pay cut to come here. Which is possible since apparently he was desperate to leave.
We will struggle to attract the best targets next year because of how poor we've been this season.
I'm sure Gallen is a good negotiator but he's not a wizard.5 -
It best be top six by Christmas as Tommy is on the record this week saying the aim is top two next season going up via automatic promotion.ShootersHillGuru said:I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.0 -
Well I’m suggesting that it’s a bit daft demanding top two. I think most of us would expect top six for a club like Charlton in the third division.eaststandmike said:
It best be top six by Christmas as Tommy is on the record this week saying the aim is top two next season going up via automatic promotion.ShootersHillGuru said:I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.0 -
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I expect top two. Too many fans accept mediocrity.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well I’m suggesting that it’s a bit daft demanding top two. I think most of us would expect top six for a club like Charlton in the third division.eaststandmike said:
It best be top six by Christmas as Tommy is on the record this week saying the aim is top two next season going up via automatic promotion.ShootersHillGuru said:I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.1 -
If TS is expecting top two then this is going to be a very expensive summer for him. The majority of our current squad are average to poor league one players. Yes we have something to build on but it’s going to be an enormous rebuild. Stockley and Washington are not going to win us top two.3
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Pretty much as I see it.ShootersHillGuru said:I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.
Last summer Sandgaard went on record as saying that he would do most of his signings late in the window as that's when he thought bargains could be had.
( Soaure Arter Leco)
That went well.
Every manager I've ever heard talk about the transfer window has said how important it is to get most of your signings done early.
This is because of the importance of having a full pre season together.
If nothing else I hope Sandgaard does things differently this summer and doesn't leave it late like last year.10 -
Top 6 every month for me and constantly pushing top two each month.ShootersHillGuru said:I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.
If we drop out of the top 6 and struggle to return to it, I'd suggest he'd be just doing another Robinson.0 -
I don't think it is fans accepting mediocrity, its being realistic from the situation we find ourselves now in and additionally next season we could have the likes of Derby with money behind them again plus teams like Peterborough who will keep most of their players has Rotherham did this year. Next season this division is likely to be stronger. Of course you set high targets but realistically top 6 would be a big step forward.J BLOCK said:
I expect top two. Too many fans accept mediocrity.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well I’m suggesting that it’s a bit daft demanding top two. I think most of us would expect top six for a club like Charlton in the third division.eaststandmike said:
It best be top six by Christmas as Tommy is on the record this week saying the aim is top two next season going up via automatic promotion.ShootersHillGuru said:I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.0 -
I'm more concerned about the players behind them, they'll score goals if we become a team better at keeping possession and creating chances. A new striker as an upgrade over Washington (but keeping him as cover) alongside Stockley or Aneke is good enough - get the right signings in behind them (including proper wing backs) would give them better and more consistent service.ShootersHillGuru said:If TS is expecting top two then this is going to be a very expensive summer for him. The majority of our current squad are average to poor league one players. Yes we have something to build on but it’s going to be an enormous rebuild. Stockley and Washington are not going to win us top two.0 -
I agree. And because of that, it’s why I’ve been banging the drum re: a very extensive overhaul. Given where we’ll finish this season and the fact we were ‘2 or 3 players off’ getting in the playoffs - think how many we are getting in the play offs next season, let alone the top twoJ BLOCK said:
I expect top two. Too many fans accept mediocrity.ShootersHillGuru said:
Well I’m suggesting that it’s a bit daft demanding top two. I think most of us would expect top six for a club like Charlton in the third division.eaststandmike said:
It best be top six by Christmas as Tommy is on the record this week saying the aim is top two next season going up via automatic promotion.ShootersHillGuru said:I’d give JJ the nod next season but would demand nothing less than top six at Christmas. My gut feeling is that something is wrong with our recruitment process. Every season now we’re slow out of the blocks and end up scratching around with our third or fourth choices the week before the window closes. Next season is huge for this club. We simply must climb out of this league. We’re rapidly becoming an established third tier club and that simply isn’t good enough. Chris Powell showed that getting the players you want in early pays enormous dividends . He did though have the advantage of Charlton being one of the most attractive clubs in league one for players. Every season we fuck up, we lose some of that shine.4 -
We can expect what we want.
Me personally I can see a new manager coming in again next season , when most of us get the hump when were not in the top 6 after 10 games.
I also think whoever we have as manager and even if they are given £5 million + top 6 is not a given.0 -
All this talk of give JJ the Summer to ger HIS own players in is delusional. However you look at it this current squad has decent players that have shown at previous clubs that they can perform. The fact is that they are not doing it here. Its the Managers job to make sure they do ! How long is it since we tried to play with the ball on the ground ? Teams constantly pass through us without any difficulty! I sit right behind the dugout and I can 100% say the message from the manager and coaches is to suppress the space, we basically try to play the whole game using only half of the pitch and just lob it high hoping someone can get on the end of it we are far to easy to play against with no options. I love JJ but at the end of the day this is his team and the way they are playing is his way2
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AndyG said:All this talk of give JJ the Summer to ger HIS own players in is delusional. However you look at it this current squad has decent players that have shown at previous clubs that they can perform. The fact is that they are not doing it here. Its the Managers job to make sure they do ! How long is it since we tried to play with the ball on the ground ? Teams constantly pass through us without any difficulty! I sit right behind the dugout and I can 100% say the message from the manager and coaches is to suppress the space, we basically try to play the whole game using only half of the pitch and just lob it high hoping someone can get on the end of it we are far to easy to play against with no options. I love JJ but at the end of the day this is his team and the way they are playing is his way
That's right, he's been in charge of this team for more than 20 games now. If it's not his style now, it never will be.
We've appointed a rookie manager, and I'd be shocked if anyone could name a single positive point about his management from the last 15 games. Whereas there are more than a handful of negative signs.
The players simply aren't this bad.0
