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A Plan For The Summer?
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Ryan Viggers is shit hot on FM 22 .. perhaps JJ should stick him in
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RonnieMoore said:Ryan Viggers is shit hot on FM 22 .. perhaps JJ should stick him in2
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Callumcafc said:Interesting thread on Twitter… each player with an upcoming contract expiring put to a vote. Two options: offer a new deal or let go. Eleven in total.
https://twitter.com/marcusally_/status/1496118893311631363?s=21
Current results…Washington 88% offer new deal
Inniss 81% offer new deal
Purrington 77% offer new deal
Forster-Caskey 60% offer new deal
Pearce 35% offer new deal
Davison 26% offer new deal
Matthews 13% offer new deal
Henderson 12% offer new deal
Watson 5% offer new deal
Souare 4% offer new deal
Gunter 3% offer new deal0 -
balham red said:eaststandmike said:balham red said:I'm in agreement with this guy pretty much:
That's the makings of a good team. I don't think our players are anywhere near as bad as they are playing recently.
JFC, not sure and Lavelle is not pulling up trees.
I think its hard to fairly judge the quality of our players at the moment, because we are clearly playing in a system that is not working for them.
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Croydon said:balham red said:eaststandmike said:balham red said:I'm in agreement with this guy pretty much:
That's the makings of a good team. I don't think our players are anywhere near as bad as they are playing recently.
JFC, not sure and Lavelle is not pulling up trees.
I think its hard to fairly judge the quality of our players at the moment, because we are clearly playing in a system that is not working for them.
We are far less than the sum of our parts at the moment.2 -
If Stockley is going to be one of the 2 up front next season, we'll have to have a style that fits. I would prefer two mobile forwards that can press and run the channels, especially in our current formation. I would also keep Inniss if the rumours of his low wage are true, but would have 3 starting CBs ahead of him. He wouldn't be under as much physical duress, I think he brings something to the group and a bench with Inniss and Chuks on it would be more than decent.0
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I thought this tweet from Airman was a good way of looking at the league table...
I think there is probably a third club bucking the trend (Plymouth) as well but other than that, it's pretty much spot on.
The way this league is nowadays, there is always the top 8-10 clubs plus a couple of overachievers which this year would be Plymouth and Wycombe (although they were recently relegated so less of a shock IMO). Last year it was Lincoln. The year before Fleetwood.
Our club, in 16th, is underperforming big time. We have a fight on our hands to reach the top half and be "the best of the rest"... depressing all around really.0 -
It would seem a decent plan to assess who you want to keep and who you have got and build around that filling weaknesses. Pragmatism is the best way at this level.0
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Any players in the Scottish league that are running out of contract in the summer… We should be taking a close look at all available options and trying to arrange pre-contracts for some of the decent ones.
Start now. Don’t wait until June.2 -
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Callumcafc said:Any players in the Scottish league that are running out of contract in the summer… We should be taking a close look at all available options and trying to arrange pre-contracts for some of the decent ones.
Start now. Don’t wait until June.
I know that Gallen keeps an eye on the League because he 'supports' Celtic.0 -
We missed out on Jason Kerr to Wigan at the end of August. They signed him from St Johnstone so that suggests it’s a league we look at.0
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Not sure where he’d really fit but Regan Charles-Cook is out of contract in the summer and has done very well for Ross County this season.
They’ve played him predominantly on the left this season but we aren’t going to be playing that way.2 -
I was looking at the line-ups for the Spurs v West Ham game at the weekend and noticed that they were both playing a 3 at the back.
The extra interesting part is that they were both playing a player that you might think of as a traditional left back in the left centre back spot.
Ben Davies for Spurs and Aaron Cresswell for West Ham. Both might be considered steady players without a blistering amount of pace and therefore struggle to play wing back. In CAFC terms, that player is Ben Purrington. We have tried similar on the right side too with Matthews and/or Gunter playing right sided centre back when Clare isn't available.
Is this a trend that we are seeing across football more generally? What role do traditional centre backs have to play in today's three at the back formation? Are they going to be crowded out by refitted midfielders and full backs?4 -
I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.5 -
Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.
Meaning we wont have to waste their time, getting them to try something completely new come pre-season. I get the impression that Footballers are like children, keep things simple and dont over load them with information as we saw with Adkins.0 -
Callumcafc said:I was looking at the line-ups for the Spurs v West Ham game at the weekend and noticed that they were both playing a 3 at the back.
The extra interesting part is that they were both playing a player that you might think of as a traditional left back in the left centre back spot.
Ben Davies for Spurs and Aaron Cresswell for West Ham. Both might be considered steady players without a blistering amount of pace and therefore struggle to play wing back. In CAFC terms, that player is Ben Purrington. We have tried similar on the right side too with Matthews and/or Gunter playing right sided centre back when Clare isn't available.
Is this a trend that we are seeing across football more generally? What role do traditional centre backs have to play in today's three at the back formation? Are they going to be crowded out by refitted midfielders and full backs?
The academy system produces a disproportionately large number of full backs and wingers, for some reason. What ever system you play you want good players in it. Few team plays with 4 any more so they have to play
Top quality center halves are like rocking horse shit. 20 years ago even a middling Premier league club like us had 4 or 5 good ones.
No one plays with a center forward, let alone 2. How would Bruce and Palister or Adams and Bould cope with Salah and Mane?
Would a John Terry get through a top academy now?
Plenty of chicken and egg but old fashion center backs marked old fashion center forwards. Ironically England's best midfielder is a refitted center half.
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Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.1 -
Cafc43v3r said:Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.0 -
Cafc43v3r said:Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.
No one cares what bloody formation we play, if it works.
Our uniquely inept version of 3-5-2 with six outfield players always behind the ball and two outfield players up front, waiting for it to be hoofed to them, is simply dysfunctional and will never work against half-decent teams.
Feel sorry for Fraser. Hopeless task given to him.2 -
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Kanu and Gavin we already have a goalscoring partnership in the under 23 and Under 18 …..3
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RonnieMoore said:Kanu and Gavin we already have a goalscoring partnership in the under 23 and Under 18 …..2
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Pep had to stick walker in at RCB at city a few seasons ago due to injury and then was born the tactical genius of playing a "speedy" wide CB in a back 3.
Van gaal likes 3 at the back with one of the wide men being a ball player, to bring it out and play a ball, Daley Blind at United/ Netherlands for example.
Probably something that's always been there but never noticed much before. "Utility player" being the reasoning for it I guess.0 -
Maccn05 said:Cafc43v3r said:Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.
The formation is neither the problem nor a magical solution.0 -
Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.1 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.
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ShootersHillGuru said:Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.
Let’s face it Matthews and Gunter still wouldn’t be able to defend and DJ still wouldn’t be able to cross a ball even in a 442
Ive said from the start you can’t judge JJ this season until he has his players. This squad was built for 433 or 4231. We were never going up or down - it’s just meant that since Jan we’ve been going through the motions.1 -
Cafc43v3r said:ShootersHillGuru said:Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.0 -
I'd argue it takes more adaptability to play the 442 these days because you are constantly pulled all over the place. As Jose Mourinho explains:
‘Look, if I have a triangle in midfield – Claude Makelele behind and two others just in front – I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. That’s because I will always have an extra man. It starts with Makelele, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other team’s wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop things’.4 -
ShootersHillGuru said:Cafc43v3r said:ShootersHillGuru said:Maccn05 said:I think this trend is a reaction to the the Wilder rampaging 3rd centre back.
Teams seem to want one of the back 3 to be able to come out with the ball to create the overload in midfield or down the wing. Especially if other teams play one up.
As you say we’ve tried this and most successfully IMO with Sean Clare (think the Portsmouth game)
It will be interesting to see next season how it works with specialist wingbacks.This is also why I don’t accept all that fans moaning about 352 it’s the most in vogue formation in football the issue is we don’t have the right parts for the machine.
I don’t think there’s a formation that solves all the issues with this squad so I can see the logic in what Jackson’s doing - working towards his chosen system and seeing who can adapt and who’s good enough. It’s with a view for the longer term rather than trying to get results in the short term which at best will only result in a slightly higher mid table finish.
I also think confidence has been a big issue recently, the players clearly didn’t expect to get results without proper strikers on the pitch. They’re not going to go from that to playing good passing football within a couple of games.
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